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A reply to #17's comment; At what point do we start eliminating our rights so we do not offend others? The reasoning behind free speech is we the people can make comments we believe are true. Did this guy produce a film that is offensive to Muslims, apparently so. If we banned everything that someone else disapproves of there would be no free speech, and we might as well be under the flag of the now defunct Soviet Union or the Nazi flag of WW 2. Most adults do not approve of porno films, but that does not give us the right to burn down the theaters that play that garbage. As distasteful as this movie is, the person who would made it still has the right to do so in America. I will not give up my free speech to appease the Muslims in the world.
The Republicans & the Tea_Party said the President Obama was not born in America !
What about Mitt Romney !
Mitt Romney Father was born in Mexico !
so was Mitt Romney born in Mexico ? or was born born somewhere ele ?
Why do the people here in the USA go and help pepe to Vote !
G.W.Buch lies to the America people and we went to WAR !
But Why did we help them to VOTE ?
the Republicans Congress wih Mitt Romney, Paul REyan and thre Tea_Party do not Wants the OLD & POOL to VOTE ?
you say you got free Speech ? thaan why not let the people VOTE
Why go to War and let people Vote, when the Republicans do'nt want the OLD & 98% to VOTE. do we live in America what people say is FREE
Think about what I put down
if yoy said America is FREE Speech here in America, then way ?
the 98 % in new york city, got put in "jail" when they try to say anything ?
Why did G.W.Bush lies to the American_People over 15 times ? and Lies to the America_People about the War ?
WhenG.W.Buch know about Sepember 11,2011, in May of 2011, that is 3 Months be for 9-11-2011 ! and why did G.W.But pay the Womens & Mens $20,000 for going oversea ?
and way did the Womens & Mens kills 45,000 Womens, 35,000 teenage and Kids ?
if some one come to your home and kill your Wife & Kids,( What would you do) ?
Top iot off the Womens & mens (Rape & Molester) Womens & Kids befor the Wmens & Mens Kikks them ! is the Right
Did a Christian God tell them ? NOT all Christian are good
that way ONLY in America we have Over 2.6 Million Womens & Mens LOCK_UP in jail
and if America is Free than way is the Rpublicans & Mitt Romney, & Paul Ryan don't want the Old & the Pool or the 98% to Vote this 2013 ??
in the UK it is FREE, all people are the same !
But here in America only the 1% & 2% but the 98% the Republicans Congress said the 98% is no good, is that right ? Yes or NO
if you want to know the Truth, Mitt Romney & Paul Ryan know the people who made the movie
the Tea_Party & the Republicans Congress, so will they go to jail NO, but if it was you, Yes you will be in jail ! So tell me or tell your Mum is America FREE ?
God Bless the 98%, may the lord be with you too
GO OUT and VOTE this 2013
ps if I miss Spell, for gave me as I was in the Wars and has a Heart Attack, ya,
I thnk Al-Qaeda USED the outrage of the people in these countries who do not understand "free speech" in America's Democratic Society, as their own "false flag"... it gave them the cover they needed to carry out an already planned attack to undermine the positive help we have given these countries. They WANT us to fail. They WANT any positive influence from the West to fail. They don't WANT our monetary support, because they are being financed from other Muslim Nations, and want to step in and pretend to be the saviors of the Muslims who are offended - just as most of us are working to do - and they're using the UTube upload and to work against us. What we need is someone to go on Al-Jezeera to try to breakdown and explain to those who have never lived in a country with free speech, and explain to them what is it, how is works, and why they need it, too, if they're ever going to truly have a Democracy. Perhaps then some of the more rational of them can understand why this kind of film can be produced, regardless of its ramifications in our country, and theirs, even though most of us don't approve of this kind of provocation. They have been under Radical Religious Dictatorship for so many years, they have no idea how a real Democracy works. Some of them regret the Al-Qaeda murders of people they know were their friends, but most of them don't. THIS education is what needs to be done. And Al-Jeezera is the best way to try to communicate with them. The radical part of me wants us to put the writer/producer of this inciteful garbage on a plane, let them know he's coming and then, then drop him out of the plane in a parachute so those offended can take their REAL revenge. But that's un-American, too. So I think he should be detained for inciting an international incident, and turned over to Lybia for prosecution, regardless of the fact that he may be a citizen now. CITIZENS who love this country don't think this way. He obviously doesn't understand that what each one of us doesn, we must be ready and wiling to take responsibility for, without exception.
Thom, I find it somewhat disturbing when you state the United States should start a program like the Marshall Plan for the Arab countries that are seeking democracy! Do you actually think we have the monetary means to prop up Arab nations, who it appears basically hate our form of democracy, so they will like us better? I realize I have simplified the statement, but when we have a trillion dollar deficit this year and record high unemployment for our citizens, you actually believe we are in a financial state to bail out the world! It is up to these nations to get their act together and work as a nation to rebuild their own damn nations. I often wonder when I watch your program whether or not you actually believe what you are spouting verbally on your show, or is it just to get the audience fired up! You often question if Romney has any concept of the middle class and poor, do you? I often have heard the saying that charity begins at home, in our case taking care of our poor and underclass should supersede helping out countries that kill our citizens and burn our flag. I am a moderate and an amazed at many of the things you mention as a liberal commentator on your show.
If Romney were in office, we would be in another war because he has no ability in foreign affairs and is relying on the same Hawks as George W did, and he took us into two illegal wars based on lies. "The pen is mightier than the sword", and in this case diplomacy can be stronger than nuclear destruction. Let us support President Obama and his efforts to rebuild this economy in the absence of war.
Romney is arrogant and an egocentric billionaire who has a history of making American people miserable - whether it was his Bain or as Governor of MA. He never fought for this country when he Should Have. What has he given back? He offended the British over his comments; offended the Palestinians; American women, children, workers, small business', students, elderly, minorities, etc.. Need we guess what he would do besides lead us "unto the path of destruction"? He's the Anti-christ!! I just figured that out the other day....he's the fricken anti-christ!
I heard today on, I think it was Keiser Report or maybe it was Break the Set, that the FBI had told this Muslim guy...who was having financial problems...that if he would agree to strap on an explosive vest and blow himself up that they would pay his familiy $1000 every month for life. When he agreed...they arrested him for being a terrorist. This is not an unusual case as they set people up and entrap them all the time.
This smells of the CIA. Typical MO. Looks like the Powers that Be want Obama out.
It is naive to think that this is about the movie. The West has been occupying and controlling the Middle East and it's resources and governments for a long time now. We are certainly not forcing democracy on Saudi Arabia or Bahraine. Our hypocracy is becoming more obvious to the people all the time, as is our not valuing the lives of people who are not us when we bomb countries into the stone age and cowardly send drone bombers after those who fight back, not caring who we kill along with them. Then there is our support for the Israeli's horrible treatment of their Semetic Palestinian cousins. No, there is a shamed impotent frustrated rage boiling just below the surface and an insult to what is sacred to many is just the match to set it off. Would it be different here if we were under the thumb of the Middle eastern World?
While I suspect this is a false-flag diversion, it is a very dangerous tinderbox. If this becomes a revolt of pissed-off people aganst continuous meddling and exploitation from the West. Later couched in Religious terms, it could become Christians, Jews and Muslims against each other -- all focused on driving the infidels out (Guess who?).
If it then becomes major conflict: Europe and US vs "Terrorists" (freedom-fighters) and the usual economic war. At some point China might enter, siding with the Arabs. After a while it could become an economic battle for control of two areas: the resources and markets of (1) the Middle-East and (2) the Pacific Rim. If not controlled this could drift into Europe, US and Australia, vs. China and the Middle-Eastern countries. (Israel in the middle of course). Africa suffering on the sidelines.
We live in Interesting times.
If this turns into a total Middle-East uprising against the Western (christian) powers, and then if the time is right for China to join "with" the resource-rich Middle-East -- we have the makings of another dual-axis World-War over (1) Mid-Eastern and (2) Pacific Resources and Markets. Be careful when playing with fire.
People keep in mind that this election is not about foreign policy, it's all about tax cuts for the wealthy. The wealthy want to all but eliminate taxes for the top 1% and with the elimination of the inheritance tax and the capital gains tax, their children will be able to live without every working or paying taxes. The wealthy are trying to create a class of people in America that rule without paying, remember the "Royalty Class" we fought against to create this country?
You know, I think you're right. This could be another "October surprise". But then again, Obama has not been very kind to the Middle Easterners, either--with his unflagging support for Israel, all options on the table (including bombing and invading) for Iran, his administration's tepid support for the Arab uprising, his tacit support of Saudi Arabia's role in Bahrain, and--let's not forget--all those drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.
I thought it should have read NO - They're fighting fpr what we all want - freedom and equality.
when i was kid? Got bullied all the time. Then one day? i thought to myself..."F this" I fought back. America? bully democracy! gotta love it so much for civility, huh? and i still think it was planned by someone wanting to create chaos and mayhem just as elections are rolling around. Hey kiddies don't look over there look what i have here. In the meantime? Obama really has to put on a show or eat crow for sure. then we will surely be screwed! MArk my word
I don't beleive that the discussion should be about "what would Mitt do as President". We should be looking at the real origin of the hate movie that started these riots and it's my belief that republican dirty tricks operators planted this movie to create a situation for Romney to exploit.
But to answer your question, I think that Mitt would like to start the next "Great Crusade" and plunge the world into a war of unknown proportions.
I was watching Thom the other night in a Lone Liberal Rumble and I realized that there's an argument to be used to counter (that Thom hasn't) the free-marketeers he's always running up against. Dean Baker- as well as scores of other economists, Left and Right, makes the argument that in a true free market, corporations do not exist. From a free marketeer's standpoint, a corporation is an "unnatural" creation of the government. While honest brokers are allowed to form any sort of partnership, this unnatural entity- with all of its extra rights and the ability to hide liability- is not allowed .
Given this, the next time a conservative talks about "freeing the market", Thom should come back with "Well to do that-- we should start with the destruction of the unnatural corporations that are clogging up the market..."
This is about the West trying to change a way of life. They don't want us there, period. How could they rape and beat there wifes and daughters if western media is there to show it.
Look as a Canadian who has travelled the world I can tell you every loves to hate Americians. It is embarrassing for a nation or region that has been around for thousands of years to see what freedom and democracy can acomplish. With the internet they can see the wonderful life we have over here and they are astonished of the military power a country can have in just a few hundred years.
Americans should be proud of what the people before them have acomplished. You have nothing to apologies for. You have created the highest standard of living in the world. Enjoy it well you can. It doesn't look like it is going to stay that way.
Just so you know us Canadians will always love you guys.
Greetings Thom,
Nation building has not worked well in Iraq or Afghanistan. The "Hartmann" plan for north africa and the Middle East probably needs to be done by a country not tied to 80 years of destructive meddling - those people whose relatives were tortured, murdered and violated still remember. Good idea under a better leadership/administrative country. Refer back to John Perkins and the economic hitmen - we need to get a better act together reigning in corporations' excesses and not using our military to promote American business - that really went out with the opium wars in efficiacy.
Gordon Gekko & Eddie Munster
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OBAMA & BIDEN
And remember, since American neocons sold the US the idea of a preemptive attack (before Iraq used a nuclear weapon...or crop dusters on us) would it not make sense that the Taliban/Al Qaida, after having been given the ultimatum of "a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs" (if they didn't agree to the pipeline through Afghanistan) that they might have done a preemptive attack on the US? The US was all set to invade and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq anyway...all of the evidence indicated as such...and the Taliban knew about it...they believed that they were going to be attacked. I believe this may have facilitated the manipulation of the 20 "hijackers"...not knowing that they would actually be electronically hijacked and remotely guided to their targets.