I think you do not get to call yourself a liberal when you mention the word deficit. I am just basing this on the Jude Winnewski (sp?) 2 santa clause plan of the republicans. The republicans ran up the debt and use it as an excuse for anything a liberal might want to do; that is, they want us to kill santa claus.
What's a flag but what it comes to symbolize? Just what does America stand for...any more? World wide, the American flag stands for terrorism and empire building, death and destruction. The American flag drips with the blood of millions of innocent victims that rich people have murdered all for greed and power. Unless the American people can regain control from these few rich people in power and restore the original meaning of our flag then it would be just too embarrassing to fly one or wear the flag symbol as so many right-wing, greedy, death mongers do. Whenever you see some guy in a business suit wearing a US flag on their lapel....without knowing anything about him..don't you immediately think...ah ha! He's a Republican! They've hijacked the flag and the flag symbolizes arrogant, greedy, bullies who will likely steal your natural resources and/or try to kill you.
And now the US is going to "modernize" our nuclear arsenal..all 5,113 nukes along with everything that runs on nuclear costing over $352 billion in the coming decade. So much for cutting back on Pentagon spending. But if we loyal Americans can just see fit to go without healthcare, jobs, or even food...then we can make the MIC even richer. The Neocon policy of conquering the world is not much different than what Hitler wanted to do. The Neocons are still running things...Obama is just a tiny sliver in their fingers.
Sorry folks GW Bush 2 is at fault here, the middle east were all afraid of Iraq and we went there for WHAT? It didn't matter if we stayed there for 20 years, the Sunies and Sheites where going to get it on as soon as we left. Romney/McCain/Ryan will take us into more wars, but after they give Trillions more in tax breaks to the wealthy/corporations. If 12/21/2012 is the end of earth, it surly will only be because Romney won in November. hankk MI
Good plan. I agree. Even though I'm not convinced that movie was the primary cause of the current tumult, I do agree that we need to follow-th-money on the making of that movie.
Aired on Fox on March 4th, 2001..6 months before 911 this pilot episode of The Lone Gunman is very eerie to watch! It depicts an airliner hijacked remotely by electronic means. If you haven't seen it yet...you should watch it. Of course it means nothing, really, in supporting the electronic hijack hypothesis. But it is really very odd coincidence just the same.
I haven't watched the Fox channel since way before 911 so I missed this series. Never even heard of it before finding it just now. As a matter of fact, I thought of the idea of the possibility that the airliners on 911 were remotely, electronically, hijacked all by myself. I had not read about it or seen it anywhere and was very surprised that, when I started searching the subject, that this was believed by others to have been possible as well.
I believe that my previous links help prove that the technology has been around for a long time and that certain individuals have an uncanny link to high places relating to the equipment and the Pentagon...along with the mysterious disappearance, according to Rumsfeld just prior to 911, of trillions of dollars from the Pentagon's account.
Could it be that by creating a "fictional" account of an electronically hijacked airliner crashing into the WTC towers 6 months before it actually happened...that it was designed to create a relationship to "fiction" if anyone ever did make the connection. If people, after 911, started saying that they believed the airliners were electronically hijacked then the fictional program would trigger the response in some people that believing in such things is non-sense...they are just getting it from a fictional TV program.
Some useful idiot, taking the position of defending the "official conspiracy theory" with the predilection of hating Muslims anyway...because "they beat and rape their wives and children" but who may have subsequently thought better of those remarks and removed their comments...but I saw them early in the morning...may think he/she could use this in an attempt to debunk the truth of what happened...ie: they really did electronically hijack and guide the airliners into the WTC buildings and Pentagon.
Except, the Pentagon crash had all of the characteristics of a military craft..or missile. No way an Arab terrorist, who couldn't even fly a small plane, could do the elaborate maneuver or even fly that close to the ground going at 500 MPH. Expert pilots said this couldn't be done with the large airliner..because the density of the air that close to the ground would prohibit those speeds.
And the initial hole in the Pentagon was tiny..windows unbroken all around...no holes from the Titanium engines or wings or tail...just a round hole not even as large as the diameter of the fuselage...almost...but not quite. The larger hole...photographed later..was a result of the structure giving way and collapsing.
And what was Rumsfeld doing helping carry people at the crash site...the Joints Chief of Staff was on the other side, the River Entrance, of the Pentagon? You walk into the River Entrance and the Joint Chiefs of Staff is to the left. I entered there many times, myself.
The Flags of Mutiny, What stands out to me is the size of some American flags that appear to be readied for flame. Emotionally spread out in vengeance with fever, set to burn in time marking dishonor to America’s “Phantom”. But what is this phantom? The mainstream media knows. The opera plays out commercial after commercial in the marketing mill of American politics like a time America not too long ago, a fire cross in some yard or Public Square set fire by horseman vigilantes serving justice. Now someplace in Islam the phantom appears again. Some perhaps cover their heads with a scarf or Burqa, a full body and head cloak worn by some Muslim, perhaps a franchise of the Clan, only the cut outs of the eyes we see. The distinct past of terrorism and present far right group openly sling weapons across the backs openly carry weapons to political rallies here, then burn flags there.
Have you noticed new the American flags in Islam readied to burn, how bright, how gleaming the colors are, fresh clean and a size better nicer and bigger than mine. I have flag, and hang it proudly every day in front of my house. These flags don’t come cheap. The Islamic red white and blue is at least twice the size my flag is. Beautiful those flags appear. Then stream into smoke and dust. This phantom is doing a very good political marketing job at just the right time. No, it is only possible to accomplish such action dishonor across many cities simultaneously through the force of big money. The probability function all that can happen at once just screams out. There is big money behind this stuff. It appears as though crafted from a losing party. Who is has lost their way? Somehow these flags knew the way there.
Who buys them who supplies them? I don’t think they are made in Kansas do you? The news did say that Islam has hundreds of Christians jailed for their believes. Imagine America once modeled modern art with the cross of Jesus Christ in a jar of urine. It was called “Piss Christ”. Absolutely disgusting but did not result in massive mob murder. Perhaps some wild dissonance. Big difference in our social ways. Islam needs maturity and time to evolve. But our foreign policies may very well stink like a jar of urine.
In 1997, Zbigniew Brzezinski's new book 'The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and It's Geostrategic Imperatives' portrayed "Central Asia, with it's vast oil reserves, as the key to world power, which would mean establishing sevreral military bases there." He went on to say that "America is too democratic at home to be autocratic abroad.This limits the use of America’s power, especially its capacity for military intimidation. . . . The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization."
Then he went on to suggest a way to overcome this obstacle."The American people would be willing to make the economic and human sacrifices needed for 'imperial mobilization,' he suggested, if there were 'a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat'.”
"It is possible that Brzezinski’s discussion here inspired the statement about a “new Pearl Harbor” in PNAC’s 2000 document, which can be read as a call for a false-flag operation that would provide a pretext for turning PNAC’s agenda into official policy."
"Be that as it may, a more specific motivation for the post-9/11 attack on Afghanistan was provided by the “pipeline war” that was going on.111 The Bush-Cheney administration supported--as had the Clinton-Gore administration until 1999--UNOCAL’s plan to build an oil-and-gas pipeline through Afghanistan, which was in competition with plans from oil companies based in other countries. What happened in 1999 was that UNOCAL, having become convinced that Afghanistan under the Taliban would never have the peace and stability needed for the pipeline project, decided to withdraw. Ahmed Rashid, finishing his book on the Taliban in mid-1999, wrote that the Clinton administration had shifted its support to the pipeline route from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey, adding that “by now nobody wanted to touch Afghanistan and the Taliban.”112
When the Bush administration came to power, however, it decided to give the Taliban one last chance. This last chance occurred at a four-day meeting in Berlin in July 2001. Representatives of the Bush-Cheney administration, trying to persuade the Taliban to share power with US-friendly factions in a “unity government,” reportedly gave the Taliban an ultimatum: “Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs.”113 When the Taliban refused, the Americans reportedly said that “military action against Afghanistan would go ahead . . . before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest.”
"The crucial precondition for the war in Iraq was a psychological state of mind in the American public---one of fear and anxiety combined with a desire for revenge---that would countenance the new doctrine of preemptive-preventive war. This state of mind was abundantly created by 9/11. Then, just as the ensuing propaganda offensive against Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban created almost unanimous acceptance of the war in Afghanistan, the propaganda offensive directed at Saddam Hussein was rather easily able to channel this fear, anxiety, and desire for revenge into a widespread feeling that a war to bring about regime change in Iraq was justified."
(Palindromeday) Electronically hijacked and remotely flown into the towers? I have a theory of my own and it goes like this. I have read your comments and have stated you are one of the most paranoid people I have ever come across. I have read articles by Dr. Roberts; I believe that was his name that you have suggested to read. My conclusion at first was that you and the group of people you theoretically subscribe to are psychologically paranoid and see the enemy at every turn. Your hypothesis on most matters has no foundation or facts to back them up. The logic you use is much like that of Fox news, I heard or I read somewhere that this or that occurred with no real basis in the real world. And when you're questioned about the subject, you refer to the person asking the question as a brain washed individual doing the bidding of their masters in Washington or wherever. So I have reached a scenario of my own. You and others like you are actually agents working for some obscure arm of a federal agency like the C.I.A. or F.B.I. or a multinational corporation. The reasons why you and your peers come up with these far reaching and radically entrenched conspiracy theories that no logical human being with even a limited intellect would except, is that your using these forms of rhetoric to make legitimate theories seem as though they are in the same class as your paranoid fantasy’s, thus discrediting them in the minds of the readers. Why else would you actually state such ridiculous themes, such as the aircraft were electronically hijacked and remotely flown into the Towers and the Pentagon. And that is only one of the many statements I have read from you and others that create statements that sound so far out in the twilight zone and paranoid that no one could possibly believe them as being legitimate and the truth. If you can get people to think that all the theories come from the same type of mind set then you have an effective tool to combat the true conspiracy theories that arise that actually might create a problem for the people whom you and others work for. A very good way to discredited others while playing the role of a paranoid and having people think you’re all the same. So you see I do believe there are people out there posing as someone they are not, just to fool the public into believing all theories are not too be trusted because they all come from the same type of paranoids and disturbed individuals. Good work to you and your comrades, it appears it might be working in America. Long live the Republic and long live Democracy here in the United States.
There is no such thing as a sacred book in US law. One of the great things about this country. Putting up a funny tralier on some 8th century religious nut is hardly a high crime , like say looting the US treasury is.
Is this the same Gerald Posner, a well known plagerist. Who wrote a book for the repubs claiming Oswald shot Kennedy ? A dubious, and unfortunate source. Most of us who were around at the time know that was the original big lie that led us to where we are today. An Allen Dulles faction of The CIA did that job. The CIA is now the largest drug cartel on Earth, War in the middle east would hurt business. A little chaos on the other hand is always good for business. I don't disagree with the rest of your post however.
You been poisoned by all the Kool-Aide the US media has fed you . Every year on or around 9/11 the mullahs arrange riots and/or celibrations The trailer maker, Has anyone actually seen the movie? was a Coptic Christian from Egypt with his own axe to grind. The State dept. failed to beef up security and limit travel during this period and are just as responsible for providing targets for the fanatics.
Islam like Christo-Capitalism are cancers Islam is just slightly less virulent. In the west we see cruise missle and drone strikes without blood in the middle east they present the carnage which is a more honest depiction. We are in an asymmetrical war with Islam . The sooner people alibiing the Islamists recognize this sooner ths converstion can become coherent. You can't destroy countries and expect to be loved for it . The Hubris of the American Empire has been exposed here and it does not compute for most Americans . Their response is to limit their own free speech. Jail the Egyptian Coptic who triggered the latest waves of Anti-US violence. Every year on or around 9/11, in case no one has noticed, celibrations and/or riots happen across the middle east . Why would this year be different Thousands blown to pieces in Libya , thousands more in Syria most with US weapons and logistical support . What's not to love.
reply to mblockhart: That's what the main stream media is trying to say, too. And I certainly realize that the main stream media is just the propaganda arm of the U.S. ruling elite...and Israel.
Of course it has nothing to do with our murdering so many innocent civilians over the years. ;-{
note: when will the problem with the comment sequencing get fixed? Seems that when ever someone edits their comment it screws up the sequencing...the "reply to #" gets messed up.
I hear your theory about the protests being blowback. There sure is a reservoir of hatred there. But stop and ask: Why now? Why anti-American protests? My theory is that al queda engineered the outrage to cover for attacks on US embassies in retaliation for Obama taking out so much of their leadership, particularly the latest one. They wanted to attack on or around 9/11 and they're hoping to affect the election.
Why would they prefer Romney over Obama? Because, as opposed to just using al queda as a justification for US imperialism as Bush did, Obama has actually been eliminating al queda. They want Romney in as a GW Bush do-over to perpetuate the "Ugly American" behavior that serves them well by leaving them free to operate with a demon to attack, the US.
They are so eroded that the only US facilities they can attack are our vulnerable embassies in unstable countries with Muslim citizens. And they needed the cover of generalized protest in which to act.
And this leads also to a possibility that behind al queda and perhaps encouraging them in this effort are the neocons and the M-I Complex. They have exactly the same goals. The anti-Muslim video had been sitting around basically ignored for month. Who discovered it and translated it and spread it around, whipping up the anger? Who benefits and how? And again, why now?
Romney took the bait. But I think President Obama is too smart to do so.
"Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee"..Muhammad Ali
The uprisings are a result of the US hegemony in the Middle East. The US, trying to impose it's belief/political system on them by occupying them and murdering them only takes a trigger to set off an explosive reaction. And that trigger, evidently, was just a movie. But the underlying reason was our arrogant and hateful attitudes and actions against them.
Now Obama, and others in the US hegemonic empire are trying to calm everybody down by saying "WE, the U.S., didn't make that movie...some lone nut did!".
Just like Bush used the wrong choice of words when he called the US war on the Middle East a "Crusade". He was quick to correct himself, wasn't he? But the idea was still there in his mind. The truth was in that "slip of the tongue".
But many of us realize that there really is a Crusade going on in the Middle East carried out by the U.S.. The various statements made by Generals and the religious propaganda being taught our troops slighting Muslims and rifle scopes engraved with biblical sayings are all indications that we were, in part, on a Crusade in the Middle East right along with all the other reasons we were over there. We certainly didn't want to create "triggers" before we had a chance to kill a lot of them first, and occupy and control their resources, huh?
You know, the US has a lot of weapons but it need lots of oil to fuel any war or occupation. If we can't get the oil, we can't conduct all of the wars that some people seem to want. And if OPEC shifts away from a dollar based standard we might actually have to be a lot nicer to the Oil producing nations...even the ones in South America.
There are quite a few Muslims in the world that can all be united if the right trigger is pulled. And just look at what is happening now? The question is can they unite long enough and hang together enough to kick the US's butt out of where it doesn't belong? The U.S. foreign policy based on neocon ideology of bullying the rest of the world to knuckle under to our might, and especially meddling in their morals and lifestyle and politics is none of our business.
There has never been an Empire that has lasted forever. They all fall, one way or another, eventually. And it usually happened by really ticking off those they tried to exploit. Even Alexander the Great couldn't keep the Empire together with all of the Satraps he had to appoint and who all turned out to be corrupt.
It's kind of like the build up of hatreds and fear that is constantly built up in US media, and other institutions, against the Muslims over the years. All it takes is a trigger, and we don't really know who really pulled the trigger of 911, for sure, but all the evidence points to an inside job....by the neocons. Some people believe that all Muslims rape and beat their women and children. Why do they believe that? Have they ever gotten to know Muslims on a personal basis?
And BTW in case you right wingers didn't watch any real news reporting last week, last week's muslim uprising isn't necessarily over a video. The actual militant killings were considered to be a retaliation over the killing of a high Al Qaeda target. Should the USA stop doing that sort of thing? How would that protect our free speech?
If Romney were president now we would have already invaded Iran. Or if we hadn't, this would be the excuse to invade, oh maybe Syria, which is on PNAC's hit list. Libya is easily confused with Syria, so you'd have all the morons saying, "the Syrian's killed our embassador" in no time after a few repetitions on Fox. Who knows. But if and when the Republicans get the reigns of power again you know they will take it as an excuse to mow down as many Muslims as inhumanly possible.
I think you do not get to call yourself a liberal when you mention the word deficit. I am just basing this on the Jude Winnewski (sp?) 2 santa clause plan of the republicans. The republicans ran up the debt and use it as an excuse for anything a liberal might want to do; that is, they want us to kill santa claus.
What's a flag but what it comes to symbolize? Just what does America stand for...any more? World wide, the American flag stands for terrorism and empire building, death and destruction. The American flag drips with the blood of millions of innocent victims that rich people have murdered all for greed and power. Unless the American people can regain control from these few rich people in power and restore the original meaning of our flag then it would be just too embarrassing to fly one or wear the flag symbol as so many right-wing, greedy, death mongers do. Whenever you see some guy in a business suit wearing a US flag on their lapel....without knowing anything about him..don't you immediately think...ah ha! He's a Republican! They've hijacked the flag and the flag symbolizes arrogant, greedy, bullies who will likely steal your natural resources and/or try to kill you.
And now the US is going to "modernize" our nuclear arsenal..all 5,113 nukes along with everything that runs on nuclear costing over $352 billion in the coming decade. So much for cutting back on Pentagon spending. But if we loyal Americans can just see fit to go without healthcare, jobs, or even food...then we can make the MIC even richer. The Neocon policy of conquering the world is not much different than what Hitler wanted to do. The Neocons are still running things...Obama is just a tiny sliver in their fingers.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/US_to_modernize_nuclear_arsenal_report...
Sorry folks GW Bush 2 is at fault here, the middle east were all afraid of Iraq and we went there for WHAT? It didn't matter if we stayed there for 20 years, the Sunies and Sheites where going to get it on as soon as we left. Romney/McCain/Ryan will take us into more wars, but after they give Trillions more in tax breaks to the wealthy/corporations. If 12/21/2012 is the end of earth, it surly will only be because Romney won in November. hankk MI
Good plan. I agree. Even though I'm not convinced that movie was the primary cause of the current tumult, I do agree that we need to follow-th-money on the making of that movie.
Aired on Fox on March 4th, 2001..6 months before 911 this pilot episode of The Lone Gunman is very eerie to watch! It depicts an airliner hijacked remotely by electronic means. If you haven't seen it yet...you should watch it. Of course it means nothing, really, in supporting the electronic hijack hypothesis. But it is really very odd coincidence just the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WW6eoLcLI
I haven't watched the Fox channel since way before 911 so I missed this series. Never even heard of it before finding it just now. As a matter of fact, I thought of the idea of the possibility that the airliners on 911 were remotely, electronically, hijacked all by myself. I had not read about it or seen it anywhere and was very surprised that, when I started searching the subject, that this was believed by others to have been possible as well.
I believe that my previous links help prove that the technology has been around for a long time and that certain individuals have an uncanny link to high places relating to the equipment and the Pentagon...along with the mysterious disappearance, according to Rumsfeld just prior to 911, of trillions of dollars from the Pentagon's account.
Could it be that by creating a "fictional" account of an electronically hijacked airliner crashing into the WTC towers 6 months before it actually happened...that it was designed to create a relationship to "fiction" if anyone ever did make the connection. If people, after 911, started saying that they believed the airliners were electronically hijacked then the fictional program would trigger the response in some people that believing in such things is non-sense...they are just getting it from a fictional TV program.
Some useful idiot, taking the position of defending the "official conspiracy theory" with the predilection of hating Muslims anyway...because "they beat and rape their wives and children" but who may have subsequently thought better of those remarks and removed their comments...but I saw them early in the morning...may think he/she could use this in an attempt to debunk the truth of what happened...ie: they really did electronically hijack and guide the airliners into the WTC buildings and Pentagon.
Except, the Pentagon crash had all of the characteristics of a military craft..or missile. No way an Arab terrorist, who couldn't even fly a small plane, could do the elaborate maneuver or even fly that close to the ground going at 500 MPH. Expert pilots said this couldn't be done with the large airliner..because the density of the air that close to the ground would prohibit those speeds.
And the initial hole in the Pentagon was tiny..windows unbroken all around...no holes from the Titanium engines or wings or tail...just a round hole not even as large as the diameter of the fuselage...almost...but not quite. The larger hole...photographed later..was a result of the structure giving way and collapsing.
And what was Rumsfeld doing helping carry people at the crash site...the Joints Chief of Staff was on the other side, the River Entrance, of the Pentagon? You walk into the River Entrance and the Joint Chiefs of Staff is to the left. I entered there many times, myself.
"An advanced Command Transmitter System (CTS) for operational control of missiles during test and training operations, is available....."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/p-3-np.htm
The CTS is a tunable UHF FM transmitter designed for ground use in controlling guided missiles, pilotless aircraft and pilotless boats.
http://72.52.208.92/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Z_a_kheim_bluegrass.htm
They were using remote control of large planes as far back as 1984.
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/
276 of the Many Strange Coincidences Surrounding 911
http://www.nc911truth.org/911_Coincidences.html
The Flags of Mutiny, What stands out to me is the size of some American flags that appear to be readied for flame. Emotionally spread out in vengeance with fever, set to burn in time marking dishonor to America’s “Phantom”. But what is this phantom? The mainstream media knows. The opera plays out commercial after commercial in the marketing mill of American politics like a time America not too long ago, a fire cross in some yard or Public Square set fire by horseman vigilantes serving justice. Now someplace in Islam the phantom appears again. Some perhaps cover their heads with a scarf or Burqa, a full body and head cloak worn by some Muslim, perhaps a franchise of the Clan, only the cut outs of the eyes we see. The distinct past of terrorism and present far right group openly sling weapons across the backs openly carry weapons to political rallies here, then burn flags there.
Have you noticed new the American flags in Islam readied to burn, how bright, how gleaming the colors are, fresh clean and a size better nicer and bigger than mine. I have flag, and hang it proudly every day in front of my house. These flags don’t come cheap. The Islamic red white and blue is at least twice the size my flag is. Beautiful those flags appear. Then stream into smoke and dust. This phantom is doing a very good political marketing job at just the right time. No, it is only possible to accomplish such action dishonor across many cities simultaneously through the force of big money. The probability function all that can happen at once just screams out. There is big money behind this stuff. It appears as though crafted from a losing party. Who is has lost their way? Somehow these flags knew the way there.
Who buys them who supplies them? I don’t think they are made in Kansas do you? The news did say that Islam has hundreds of Christians jailed for their believes. Imagine America once modeled modern art with the cross of Jesus Christ in a jar of urine. It was called “Piss Christ”. Absolutely disgusting but did not result in massive mob murder. Perhaps some wild dissonance. Big difference in our social ways. Islam needs maturity and time to evolve. But our foreign policies may very well stink like a jar of urine.
Here's an interesting video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNQTG8B6hw
In 1997, Zbigniew Brzezinski's new book 'The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and It's Geostrategic Imperatives' portrayed "Central Asia, with it's vast oil reserves, as the key to world power, which would mean establishing sevreral military bases there." He went on to say that "America is too democratic at home to be autocratic abroad.This limits the use of America’s power, especially its capacity for military intimidation. . . . The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization."
Then he went on to suggest a way to overcome this obstacle."The American people would be willing to make the economic and human sacrifices needed for 'imperial mobilization,' he suggested, if there were 'a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat'.”
"It is possible that Brzezinski’s discussion here inspired the statement about a “new Pearl Harbor” in PNAC’s 2000 document, which can be read as a call for a false-flag operation that would provide a pretext for turning PNAC’s agenda into official policy."
"Be that as it may, a more specific motivation for the post-9/11 attack on Afghanistan was provided by the “pipeline war” that was going on.111 The Bush-Cheney administration supported--as had the Clinton-Gore administration until 1999--UNOCAL’s plan to build an oil-and-gas pipeline through Afghanistan, which was in competition with plans from oil companies based in other countries. What happened in 1999 was that UNOCAL, having become convinced that Afghanistan under the Taliban would never have the peace and stability needed for the pipeline project, decided to withdraw. Ahmed Rashid, finishing his book on the Taliban in mid-1999, wrote that the Clinton administration had shifted its support to the pipeline route from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey, adding that “by now nobody wanted to touch Afghanistan and the Taliban.”112
When the Bush administration came to power, however, it decided to give the Taliban one last chance. This last chance occurred at a four-day meeting in Berlin in July 2001. Representatives of the Bush-Cheney administration, trying to persuade the Taliban to share power with US-friendly factions in a “unity government,” reportedly gave the Taliban an ultimatum: “Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs.”113 When the Taliban refused, the Americans reportedly said that “military action against Afghanistan would go ahead . . . before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest.”
"The crucial precondition for the war in Iraq was a psychological state of mind in the American public---one of fear and anxiety combined with a desire for revenge---that would countenance the new doctrine of preemptive-preventive war. This state of mind was abundantly created by 9/11. Then, just as the ensuing propaganda offensive against Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban created almost unanimous acceptance of the war in Afghanistan, the propaganda offensive directed at Saddam Hussein was rather easily able to channel this fear, anxiety, and desire for revenge into a widespread feeling that a war to bring about regime change in Iraq was justified."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17194.htm
(Palindromeday) Electronically hijacked and remotely flown into the towers? I have a theory of my own and it goes like this. I have read your comments and have stated you are one of the most paranoid people I have ever come across. I have read articles by Dr. Roberts; I believe that was his name that you have suggested to read. My conclusion at first was that you and the group of people you theoretically subscribe to are psychologically paranoid and see the enemy at every turn. Your hypothesis on most matters has no foundation or facts to back them up. The logic you use is much like that of Fox news, I heard or I read somewhere that this or that occurred with no real basis in the real world. And when you're questioned about the subject, you refer to the person asking the question as a brain washed individual doing the bidding of their masters in Washington or wherever. So I have reached a scenario of my own. You and others like you are actually agents working for some obscure arm of a federal agency like the C.I.A. or F.B.I. or a multinational corporation. The reasons why you and your peers come up with these far reaching and radically entrenched conspiracy theories that no logical human being with even a limited intellect would except, is that your using these forms of rhetoric to make legitimate theories seem as though they are in the same class as your paranoid fantasy’s, thus discrediting them in the minds of the readers. Why else would you actually state such ridiculous themes, such as the aircraft were electronically hijacked and remotely flown into the Towers and the Pentagon. And that is only one of the many statements I have read from you and others that create statements that sound so far out in the twilight zone and paranoid that no one could possibly believe them as being legitimate and the truth. If you can get people to think that all the theories come from the same type of mind set then you have an effective tool to combat the true conspiracy theories that arise that actually might create a problem for the people whom you and others work for. A very good way to discredited others while playing the role of a paranoid and having people think you’re all the same. So you see I do believe there are people out there posing as someone they are not, just to fool the public into believing all theories are not too be trusted because they all come from the same type of paranoids and disturbed individuals. Good work to you and your comrades, it appears it might be working in America. Long live the Republic and long live Democracy here in the United States.
Actually it's the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama legacy .
Your are an idiot and not representative of Canadians.
The up side of 9/11 2000 banksters killed.
Your such a product of American exceptionalism every one loves you ! Wait a minute isn't that what Stevens thought.
There is no such thing as a sacred book in US law. One of the great things about this country. Putting up a funny tralier on some 8th century religious nut is hardly a high crime , like say looting the US treasury is.
That's an outrageous lie you are obiously a slimy troll
Is this the same Gerald Posner, a well known plagerist. Who wrote a book for the repubs claiming Oswald shot Kennedy ? A dubious, and unfortunate source. Most of us who were around at the time know that was the original big lie that led us to where we are today. An Allen Dulles faction of The CIA did that job. The CIA is now the largest drug cartel on Earth, War in the middle east would hurt business. A little chaos on the other hand is always good for business. I don't disagree with the rest of your post however.
You been poisoned by all the Kool-Aide the US media has fed you . Every year on or around 9/11 the mullahs arrange riots and/or celibrations The trailer maker, Has anyone actually seen the movie? was a Coptic Christian from Egypt with his own axe to grind. The State dept. failed to beef up security and limit travel during this period and are just as responsible for providing targets for the fanatics.
Islam like Christo-Capitalism are cancers Islam is just slightly less virulent. In the west we see cruise missle and drone strikes without blood in the middle east they present the carnage which is a more honest depiction. We are in an asymmetrical war with Islam . The sooner people alibiing the Islamists recognize this sooner ths converstion can become coherent. You can't destroy countries and expect to be loved for it . The Hubris of the American Empire has been exposed here and it does not compute for most Americans . Their response is to limit their own free speech. Jail the Egyptian Coptic who triggered the latest waves of Anti-US violence. Every year on or around 9/11, in case no one has noticed, celibrations and/or riots happen across the middle east . Why would this year be different Thousands blown to pieces in Libya , thousands more in Syria most with US weapons and logistical support . What's not to love.
reply to mblockhart: That's what the main stream media is trying to say, too. And I certainly realize that the main stream media is just the propaganda arm of the U.S. ruling elite...and Israel.
Of course it has nothing to do with our murdering so many innocent civilians over the years. ;-{
note: when will the problem with the comment sequencing get fixed? Seems that when ever someone edits their comment it screws up the sequencing...the "reply to #" gets messed up.
I hear your theory about the protests being blowback. There sure is a reservoir of hatred there. But stop and ask: Why now? Why anti-American protests? My theory is that al queda engineered the outrage to cover for attacks on US embassies in retaliation for Obama taking out so much of their leadership, particularly the latest one. They wanted to attack on or around 9/11 and they're hoping to affect the election.
Why would they prefer Romney over Obama? Because, as opposed to just using al queda as a justification for US imperialism as Bush did, Obama has actually been eliminating al queda. They want Romney in as a GW Bush do-over to perpetuate the "Ugly American" behavior that serves them well by leaving them free to operate with a demon to attack, the US.
They are so eroded that the only US facilities they can attack are our vulnerable embassies in unstable countries with Muslim citizens. And they needed the cover of generalized protest in which to act.
And this leads also to a possibility that behind al queda and perhaps encouraging them in this effort are the neocons and the M-I Complex. They have exactly the same goals. The anti-Muslim video had been sitting around basically ignored for month. Who discovered it and translated it and spread it around, whipping up the anger? Who benefits and how? And again, why now?
Romney took the bait. But I think President Obama is too smart to do so.
"Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee"..Muhammad Ali
The uprisings are a result of the US hegemony in the Middle East. The US, trying to impose it's belief/political system on them by occupying them and murdering them only takes a trigger to set off an explosive reaction. And that trigger, evidently, was just a movie. But the underlying reason was our arrogant and hateful attitudes and actions against them.
Now Obama, and others in the US hegemonic empire are trying to calm everybody down by saying "WE, the U.S., didn't make that movie...some lone nut did!".
Just like Bush used the wrong choice of words when he called the US war on the Middle East a "Crusade". He was quick to correct himself, wasn't he? But the idea was still there in his mind. The truth was in that "slip of the tongue".
But many of us realize that there really is a Crusade going on in the Middle East carried out by the U.S.. The various statements made by Generals and the religious propaganda being taught our troops slighting Muslims and rifle scopes engraved with biblical sayings are all indications that we were, in part, on a Crusade in the Middle East right along with all the other reasons we were over there. We certainly didn't want to create "triggers" before we had a chance to kill a lot of them first, and occupy and control their resources, huh?
You know, the US has a lot of weapons but it need lots of oil to fuel any war or occupation. If we can't get the oil, we can't conduct all of the wars that some people seem to want. And if OPEC shifts away from a dollar based standard we might actually have to be a lot nicer to the Oil producing nations...even the ones in South America.
There are quite a few Muslims in the world that can all be united if the right trigger is pulled. And just look at what is happening now? The question is can they unite long enough and hang together enough to kick the US's butt out of where it doesn't belong? The U.S. foreign policy based on neocon ideology of bullying the rest of the world to knuckle under to our might, and especially meddling in their morals and lifestyle and politics is none of our business.
There has never been an Empire that has lasted forever. They all fall, one way or another, eventually. And it usually happened by really ticking off those they tried to exploit. Even Alexander the Great couldn't keep the Empire together with all of the Satraps he had to appoint and who all turned out to be corrupt.
It's kind of like the build up of hatreds and fear that is constantly built up in US media, and other institutions, against the Muslims over the years. All it takes is a trigger, and we don't really know who really pulled the trigger of 911, for sure, but all the evidence points to an inside job....by the neocons. Some people believe that all Muslims rape and beat their women and children. Why do they believe that? Have they ever gotten to know Muslims on a personal basis?
And BTW in case you right wingers didn't watch any real news reporting last week, last week's muslim uprising isn't necessarily over a video. The actual militant killings were considered to be a retaliation over the killing of a high Al Qaeda target. Should the USA stop doing that sort of thing? How would that protect our free speech?
If Romney were president now we would have already invaded Iran. Or if we hadn't, this would be the excuse to invade, oh maybe Syria, which is on PNAC's hit list. Libya is easily confused with Syria, so you'd have all the morons saying, "the Syrian's killed our embassador" in no time after a few repetitions on Fox. Who knows. But if and when the Republicans get the reigns of power again you know they will take it as an excuse to mow down as many Muslims as inhumanly possible.