The only sane solutions are to nationalize oil, gas, and coal, or strictly regulate the cost of energy and the ability to profit from our nations resources, regardless of whether it is oil, gas, or coal.

It would help if the Ivory Towers of Scilence admitted that the Fossil Fool Theory is a convenient lie, and that hydrocarbons are abiogenic, renewable resources that if used sanely might last longer than we will.

Then, if we built vehicles that used hydrogen and methanol fuel cells, stopped making plastic out of oil and gas, and retooled our quaint vehicles, we might be able to survive the coming climate changes, no matter what they bring.

Quote Badams:Every dollar counts.

Reminds me of uncle Scrooge again. Now you've found another trick: You just say the Medicare fund doesn't exist ... which your teabagging buddies wanna do away with. This is an uncle Scrooge attitude indeed: not being ready to give a single lousy buck and rather let others die. Stingy!

Do you also have your daily money swim, Badams?

At times you sound like that 8 years old who thinks he already knows everything. And that's the kind of naive angst you suffer at night.

In the first place you said Obama could do anything and now you say he's a puppet. The truth is, he has to trick a lot, to get something done. Congress is much mightier than him. What we need is a decent majority for the Democrats. You hate the Democrats because they're only humans, instead of angels. So you think we might deal with the Republican devil as well. You practically say, "Eat me tiger, so the bees can't sting me anymore!"

Quote Badams:Obama won't step up because he is just another one of your 1percenters. Hope and change? Where is it. He is a very, very weak leader. Sorry tohear about your specific situation. I wish you well.

I'm touched to tears!

This time you really got a fact. President Obama was wealthy indeed, before he got into office. You know, there're actually wealthy people who are not stingy. Remember that 1%er who publicly asked the President to raise his taxes?

The French revolution was very much initiated by aristocrats, who were for justice. Already during the 1600s some aristocrats discussed another system. The poor couldn't do much. Believe it or not, there have always been open and generous 1%ers.

I don't know whether you can tell eyes. Obama has goodness in his words and you can see the same in his eyes. Well, you're rather interested in money and not so much in humans. So you can't really tell Obama's character.

Quote Badams:The government steals $47.50 of that for social welfare program funding. So these workers really make $19.50 per hour in take home. Not that great of a pay scale is it? I bet our auto workers in Detroit make more than that.

You made this all up. Stop faking facts that don't exist -- this is all bunch of hooey! BMW workers would laugh at you if you told them your queer tales.

And I am not a Christian...or a Muslim..or a Hindu...or a Budhist...or a new ager...or anything except an atheist. I'm just not into superstition and don't believe in imaginary beings. I am not even a humanist...in my opinion they are very much like theists in some ways.

So I guess you are better than me..and perhaps you are. Some people would think that I am not a very nice person at all. That's ok as long as they don't try to burn me to a stake like they used to burn other poor suckers who were thought to be witches or even just not of the same particular brand of their religion.

But it really isn't about me...well, in my mind, perhaps a little. But I can sure express my observations of what I believe is happening in this country, and world. And one thing I can be pretty sure of .... and that is what should be obvious to most people who have been paying attention....that our political system is corrupt and both major parties are bought off and owned by lots of money. And if that be so, then what difference does it make if you vote for one or the other? It's all show to make you think you have some say in the game. It tends to keep people "hopeful" and keeps them from rioting in the streets.

If you were living in another country...say one with a two-bit dictator who manipulated his way into what he likes to call "his Presidency" would you then think it made any difference by voting for or against him? Everyone knows what the outcome of those elections are going to be.

The US has taken it one step further. The ruling elite controls the puppet President of the US, Republican or Democrat, and they still call it a democracy? Fools still go to the ballot box and participate in a sham election where no matter who you vote for..and no matter who wins.....you lose...and they continue to win.

Like people pretending that there is a God, they pretend there is a real democracy at play in the US and all they have to do is cast their ballot for someone they put their faith in..or write letters...or emails...or even phone calls...no matter that that someone has already dashed the hopes of many of those who voted for him in the first place. Fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice...shame on me!

Do I feel better after having expressed my views at all? No, actually! I live in dread that the fascist pigs will drag me out of my bed in the middle of the night and send me to Gitmo...or worse...one of those countries on the other side of the world where they really do torture people till they die. But then I try to temper that ill feeling by realizing that there are many thousands of other people who are also saying similar things about our predicament. And some are very well known and well read bloggers.

But what really scares me is that Obama, or his henchmen, has the ability to do just that to anyone he/they feel like. I also believe that it won't be very much longer that we will be able to express ourselves over the internet in such a manner. And it is not just Republicans that are the boogy man here...the Democrats too...especially Obama.

Your greatest mistake, Palindromedary, is that ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL attitude. If we get someone like Gingrich as president, we're done. I mean, life will go on somehow, but I tell ya, that will end horribly. This is not the good old GOP, this is 2012 teaparty fascism. We can't afford this ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL thinking, just because Obama disappointed you and your mushy, pink Obama-dream-world. I've never dreamed that way -- I appreciate what he DID achieve!

I wouldn't turn anything over to the FBI, not voluntarily anyway. They are part of the problem. How much evidence of wrongdoing...presidential assassinations, 911, high level culpability in drug smuggling and money laundering, etc. Photos, documents, and information has a way of "disappearing" when you turn them over to the FBI or other organizations that suck up to, and are controlled by, the ruling elite. If you have photos or information it is better not to let it disappear down the rabbit hole. With all of the video surveillance evidence of the Pentagon attack on 911 that they confiscated...they still won't release any of it except one of a couple of seconds showing a very blurry image. And what about all of those anti-aircraft guns that are supposed to be on top of the Pentagon in the event of such an air strike on it? Don't get me started...there's so much more!

But Clarrisa, it is the 16 year olds that will eventually change this corrupt system....not the old foggies that are full of hot air and who have bought into the corrupt system as a way of life. Our forefathers, by your standards, would have caved in to the corrupt system of their day yet we celebrate and idolize their actions.

When a two party system is owned and controlled by the ruling elite...it is so corrupt and broken that participating in it only amounts to a farce and makes fools out of the participants. It is the fools who do not challenge the obviously deceitful and manipulating ruling elite (and their rigged voting game) and will not go out on a limb when it comes to challenging them about such things as the "official conspiracy theory". You may find it nutty, especially if you have not even bothered to investigate alternative sources...like Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth and so many other organizations of responsible and learned men and women professionals who do speak out when they are given hogwash to believe in.

Some people feel less threatened and can live more comfortably in their little contrived make-believe worlds by not challenging authority or their contrived myths. They find it hard to break out of their mind-sets of orthodoxy that was drilled into their minds from birth. All cultures or countries have their own orthodoxies that are often at odds with other cultures or countries way of doing things and usually end up in murdering each other over them. That is one reason why so many people of non-Muslim beliefs have been so easily beguiled by those who contrived the mind manipulation propaganda to begin with. It is so much easier, for non-Muslims, to believe that Arab Muslims were entirely behind the whole 911 "terrorist attacks".

It is really hard for some people to break out of the mold and see what is causing the shadows on the wall of the cave that haunts them. They are like ostriches hiding their heads in the sand. They don't really want to know the truth. So they go along with their little rituals...like voting...no matter how corrupt and useless it has proven to be hoping that things will change for the better.

Again, if our forefathers just kept "hoping" the British would just go away we would never have been able to break from the King's tyranny.

We will never break from the ruling elite's tyranny here in America, or anywhere else for that matter, if we keep "hoping" things will change by continuing to play the same old ridiculous ruling-elite controlled, rigged, elections. As long as they have you hooked on playing their game...they will win every time....because they own both Republicans and Democrats. They can't lose, but we will lose every time.

We are pleasantly entertained in watching Magic Tricks but most of us know that that is all it is..Tricks. And most of us know that what makes the tricks so amusing and often baffling is really the ability of the Magician to divert our attention away from what is really going on. And that is what makes some Generals on the battlefields so successful in defeating "the enemy"...illusion, diversion, and ruthlessness. I believe that this is just what the ruling elite has been doing in manipulating our election system so that no matter who wins the election...they win the war. Our election system has become an illusion of democracy and they do it by diversion. Obama was the diversion.

Not only that but there are a lot of people, or organizations, that "speak the liberal or progressive language" and make you believe that they are on your side. They are also part of the diversion. They will rail out against the "injustices" and "inequalities" and say they hate everything that Republicans stand for....but their whole mission is to get you to vote for a Democrat (Obama) but all along they too are working for the ruling elite because they know where the money is. And they also know that Obama is part of the scam by the ruling elite to squeeze any form of real democracy out so that the ruling elite can have complete control.

The real money is in supporting the ruling elite through getting people to vote for Obama because Obama is part of the "trick" to subvert any real democracy. Why else would Wall Street pay so much money in backing him over the obvious idiot Republican choices? Because Obama has been advertised as "our only choice"..."our only hope".

They want you to believe that there is no chance for any other Presidential Candidate other than Republican or Democrat, and unless you vote Democrat we will get a Republican President who will be much worse than Obama. But Obama was sneaky and lied to us. He pretended to be what he wasn't. He does not deserve our vote again!

The most dangerous thing is the one who pretends to be your friend yet is working behind your back to destroy you. Some of you still believe that it was all because Obama had no major support in Congress...and that in a "lame duck" Presidency Obama will shine as a defender of the poor and middle class. But he has shown, in his zeal and actions during his first term, just who he is...and he will not be any better in a second "lame duck" term. He is bought and paid by the ruling elite and will continue to be their puppet.

I'm afraid it's going to be another long arduous and disappointing next 4 years, if Obama is reelected, for many people who persisted in being fooled once more in the 2012 elections. And I will spend those 4 years, if I am still kicking, writing "I told you so"! It would be fantastic if I was wrong on this...but I am all out of hope and now rely on what I see and not on some foolish wishful thinking.

On the whole the U.S. system works. The problem is just the voter. If I once voted conservative decades ago, this still backfires on me. My votes even change the supreme court on long term. They make even possible that Republicans can begin an election fraud. In European countries crypto-fascist parties like the GOP get nothing but small minority votes. The U.S. system is based on freedom, and we most certainly can be so free to vote ourselves out of democracy, into a fascist system as once in Italy and Spain.

People who want to create an entirely new system are like children. We don't need quixotic philosophers, we need pragmatists. Palindromedary, you are like a 16 year old who wants to topple everything and thinks all his screwy imaginations must be appreciated and become reality. You are just raving like some of my ex-classmates who actually were nothing but dishonest and selfish: Those radicals belong to the establishment today and don't give a darn for anything. If they give you a lot of money, Palindromedary: won't you cave in? I deeply mistrust your kind of destructive raving.

I know what pragmatic means in case of voter frauds. We have to gather those cases and turn it over to the FBI. Fighting voter fraud is actually their job and they are the only federal institution that can really do that. Until now I heard just a few cases, but if this is a whole election fraud system, this is a case for an extra committee as well, to investigate the whole thing and bring to justice.

LOL!!!

Excellent comment!!!

Yes, the Republicans are playing dirty again....but what does it really matter anyway....Obama has done enough to turn off any prospective voter, himself. You really think the young voters don't get it? In a system that is rigged to screw everyone but the rich, with nothing but lies belching out of those politicians mouths...especially from the Democrats, who pretend to be on the side of the less-than-rich crowds, and then act just like Republicans, giving it all away to the rich after they are elected, there is just no reason to even vote...unless you are voting for someone other than a Republican or a Democrat. Democrats are no longer seen to be the lesser of two evils....like they like to have you believe. They want you to believe that there is "no other choice". They are counting on voter gullibility. The ruling elite are counting on their gullibility. Because they own both Republicans and Democrats. And both Republicans and Democrats will continue to do the bidding of those who own them. Those faux Democrats are even more evil because they have pretended to be on our side. Why do you think the Occupy Wall Street crowds did not accept the backing of the Democrats? They know!