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I really don't understand the controversy. He just has to be a natural born citizen to be president. Which would mean that his mother or father needs to be a citizen of the United States. Where he was born is a none issue. It's a fact the John McCain was not born in the United State. His mother and father were stationed in another part of the world. If I'm confused by what constitutes an eligible presidential candidate or active president, would someone please correct me.
Google for Natural Born citizen. you specifically want section 1401.
In McCain's case, his father was on military duty in the Canal, making him a natural born citizen. If this wasn't the law that children of military and other government employees or citizens working off-shore with their families with them, wouldn't be having children overseas. Military, governement workers, and Americans working off-shore are allowed to take their families to non-war areas.
In Obama's case, his mother was a citizen, his father was a foreign national, and he was born in Hawaii... That makes him natural born. Even if he had been born in Kenya, his mother was STILL a citizen and he would still be natural born.
Do you really think that Anne Dunham was farsighted enough back in 1961 to have planned this massive conspiracy to coverup his birth?
One issue that hasn't been brought up, probably because it hasn't happened yet... But Senators and Congress do not have to be natural born, but can be naturalized. However, Speaker of the House in 3rd in line should tragedy befall the President and Vice President simultanously. The SOH would have to step up in the interim term.
Obviously, the correct answer is: "No... the only Americans these radical right-wing extremists ever listen to are the corporate 'people' by whom they've been bribed? purchased? um.... 'financed'".
Sadly, part of that B-roll they showed did happen last weekend in Sacramento. Some idiot wearing a Teamsters jacket got into the face of a tea bagger. And, there happened to a video camera - behind the tea bagger, of course. Now whether the "Teamster" was an agent provocateur appearing to be a union man or not, I still don't know.
The saddest aspect of all of this, is watching people who are going to move into that lower class echelon supporting these provisions which truly only benefit the very rich.
When did so many Americans become sheep?
Our President's birthcertificate is easily available on the web. http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
Which 11 states? Is Obama likely to win them anyway?
How about Shih Tzu
For Scott Walker as David Koch's dog.
I can't figure out why Gov. Walker is in control of the Wisconsin capitol. Usually the executive branch operates from another building and the capitol is under the control of the legislature. For example, the President does his job in the White House and can't shut down the U.S. capitol. So why does Walker have this kind of authority?
No one asks the obvious questions:
Anderson Cooper really nailed a birther Congressman on air but never asked him the obvious questions: "Can you, sir, produce an official record of your own birth? If so, what documents did you use to do it and how can you prove they're legitimate? You've asked the President to produce these records and the State of Hawaii has produced them. What evidence do you have to believe the State of Hawaii has forged this document?" and finaly "Why does the President need more proof of his birth than you do?" Cooper does actually do a pretty good job of showing this guy up for the fool he is and it's definitely worth a look.
Whatever criteria they set up for Obama to prove his citizenship should apply to all candidates, meaning the Tea Party Republican candidates would also need to produce birth certificates that meets the same criteria.
It's really sad that so many people have lost their ability to actually think for themselves. It's not only sad, it could be the demise of American democracy as we know it.
Elioflight, Actually I'm software developer (mostly) and also an Electrical Engineer. Unions are unheard of in these fields, almost everyone I've worked with knew the damage that unions do. Yes we do create wealth - how much is raw silicon worth, compared to an intel X7460 6 core cpu? If you want an even more amazing example of value being created - look at Google. Nothing physical at all, yet literally thousands of people have been made wealthy by that company.
"Ayn Rand is a hypocritcal jerk. She, at the end of her life, had to turn to the government dole for support." - that is simply the Logical Fallacy of Poisoning the Well. It doesn't disprove anything. I'll close with one of the most eloquent exposition of how wealth is created I've seen, from http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/economics/money/1826-francisco-s-money-speech.html :
"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made--before it can be looted or mooched--made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced."
The entire speech is well worth reading.
I really don't understand the controversy. He just has to be a natural born citizen to be president. Which would mean that his mother or father needs to be a citizen of the United States. Where he was born is a none issue. It's a fact the John McCain was not born in the United State. His mother and father were stationed in another part of the world. If I'm confused by what constitutes an eligible presidential candidate or active president, would someone please correct me.
Yes, Mr. Sandberg your operative statement is "I've done extremely well." I..I..I..I Everyone like you talks like that: I I I. You must be a hedge-funder or robber broker or someone who robs his employees and customers to do "extrememly well." If you are one of those wealth-worshipping blue-collar guys, you wouldn't be doing "extremely well" without the victories won by unions for the workers.
America can do well as long as there are MORE people doing well--that means a healthy middle-class. Business and jobs cannot survive and be created without the complete circle which requires that two of the three spokes named "worker" and "consumer" have living wages and disposable income. People like you think that the wealthy just create their wealth. They don't. They have to take it from somewhere. Ideas don't generate capital without production of and consumption of that product or service.
Ayn Rand is a hypocritcal jerk. She, at the end of her life, had to turn to the government dole for support.
You'd be better off reading The Jungle.
dnarnadem - where was Ayn Rand wrong? Obviously, the amazing sales figures for Atlas Shrugged and what happened on November 2, 2010 show that an awful lot of people think she was right. There is hard proof that her stand on freedom VS collectivism is correct, take a look and the index of economic freedom: http://www.heritage.org/index/ - the freer a country is, the better off it is.
Ludwig von Mises proof that Collectivism cannot work because of the problem of calculation (XXVI. THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF ECONOMIC CALCULATION UNDER SOCIALISM ...) still stands today. And so on and so forth.
The claims of The Equality Trust (http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why/evidence) on the other hand were trivially shown to be completely wrong (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB127862421912914915.html)
On a more personal level, I've done extremely well by following the philosophy of objectivism that Ayn Rand created. I simply invested in the least regulated industries and over a reasonable period of time became independently wealthy. You might want to look at what's commonly known as Francisco d' Anconia's "Money Speech" http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/economics/money/1826-francisco-s-money-speech.html.
No! Washington DC is blind to the connection between tax cuts for the super rich and spiraling budget deficits.software development
No! We never learn.
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I think it's time for actual Americans to realize that this new Republican Party is an anti-christian, self serving, un-educated group of people that serve their multi-billionaire masters that have the agenda of turning this country into an Oligarchy. Think of no unions for workers, no EPA or FDA for public health and safety, no education needed for the poor (98% of the population) and no need to apply for any college or university as that kind of education will be reserved for the elite ruling class only. It seems we are back fighting the revolutionary war all over again. All we need now is for all those people that didn't bother to vote during the last election, to actually vote in 2012 and perhaps we will get America back again. Of course the Democrats will have to develope a spinal column and intestinal fortitude and actually fight the Republicans just as hard as they fight the Democrats!!
No. And if they insist we'll fight the Civil War all over again. Simple solution to all this is that all these racist voters exercise their democratic freedom - don't vote if you don't like the guy! Those with saner cerebral matter will.
But this gets us back to the certainty here that Obama will win in a re-election - and that is totally unacceptable to the racist who doesn't want him re-elected.
They know exactly what they're doing and they have for a long time.....it's the lowest of low, the worst kind of dirty trick, but they'll use it to try and get him off the ballot in as many states as they can. The sad thing, the most frightening thing, is that since the numbers are now in their favor, that they just might be able to pull it off. As a Georgia native, I know just how virulent the hatred for President Obama is in a large portion of that state, as well as several others in the south and many in other conservative strongholds. I don't know if there is anything that the Federal Gov't can do in this situation, but what I really want to know is, would it be legal to hold an election with the absence of a party's candidate on the ballot?
Racism – YES. Confined to the South – NO! Maine of all states is in the process of attempting the same thing. Being a former Catholic I do know that even in areas where white folk have never seen a “black person”, or a “Yellow one”, they are still quite racist!
I just wish that the tea-baggers, repugs and all those miffed righties would “Man-Up” and simply state that they are all racist instead of all this backdoor malarkey they are trying to sell to the American people.
They are all COWARDS! They can’t govern worth a spit! And they want us all to return to the 1900 century when WASPs ran everything.
I believe that was has transpired in Wisconsin in the last couple weeks is a wakeup call for all intelligent Americans that our Democracy is being threated and that we all need to return to our Democratic values. The repugs have crossed the line here and they need to be stopped pronto!
Simple - your side LIED!
And as to Ayn Rand - I read her when I was 16 and even I at that time knew she was full of it! Wonder what that says about your beliefs?
I AM THINKING THE VERY SAME BIRTHER STATES THAT ARE CONSIDERING THIS LEGISLATION - ISSUE THE SAME TYPE OF COMPUTER GENERATED CERTIFICATES OF LIVE BIRTH ISSUED BY HAWAII.
THIS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED AND SHOVED IN THEIR FACES.
Thanks for being honest and up front jkh6148 for saying simply as it is! I grew up in the south and I can assure you that this is a racial issue from the word go...I just wish they would man up, take the hit and addmit it and let's move on. Mr. Obama is the best thing to come along for this country in the 40 odd years I have been voting and we need another 4 years for sure!
IF IT ISN'T HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
IT WILL BE HIS BLOOD TYPE
IF NOT HIS BLOOD TYPE
IT WILL BE HIS DNA
THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!
HIS DNA INCLUDES BLACK
I seriously doubt anyone has their original birth certificate. Those are always held in the files of the State in which a person is born. If you need a copy for any reason, they will issued a "certified copy" of the original. Didn't Obama have to show proof when he registered to run for President? As former military with a TS clearance, I can guarantee the FBI does a thorough background check and I'm sure one was completed on Obama, both as a senatorial candidate and as a presidential candidate. And how could you prevent him from being on a ballot for an office he has already served in for four years? Seriously, aren't there far more important issues facing this country that these politicans should be focusing on? The answer is YES!
I had my original birth certificate when I went to renew my driver's licence in St. Joseph, MO. The contract workers refused it, as it was NOT ISSUED by a state. After heated discussion, I was arrested and spent time in the Buchanan County Hilton. Since I didn't own a vehicle, renewal wasn't an issue.
Moving to my native state of Montana, I procured a certified copy of my birth certificate at the local county offices (from Helena) and re-upped my driver's licence. Total time: about a half hour -- this included taking the written and driver's tests.
I guess some bureaucrats understand manure and red tape better than others.
Gary H.