Democrats are blood sucking leeches. My father's 3 bdr home paid $400 in property taxes, today it's $10,000. The 25 fold increase in 30 years wasn't caused by greedy corporations. It was caused by greedy Unionized Public Sector pay and pensions that far exceed those in the private sector. Pensions they collect at 53 not 67. Pensions that pay 2-3 times what SSA pays for the same wage rate. and pensions that in the case of Wisconsin teachers they only paid 6/10th of 1 percent to get.
Hey Obama rammed ObamaCare down the nation's throat even though the vast majority of polls showed the majority of the country didn't want his brand of health care reform. WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
Wisconsin has been in Fiscal Crisis for TWO YEARS. and only now when under serious threats the Unions agree to pay more. Here's what you're all supporting. Wisconsin teachers get pensions that pay two to three times what Social Security pays for the same wage rate. They get it at 53 not 67 like SSA and they paid 6/10th of 1 percent to get this, not 6.2%. Wisconsin isn't just broke it's deeply in debt and the property taxes are sky high. My father paid $400 in 1980 for a 3 bdr home, today it's $10,000 that's a 25 fold increase in a period of time inflation only increased 3 fold. Years ago, I met a retired machinist on a $18,000 pension forced to pay $7,000 in property taxes for another 3 bdr home. Most of the money went to schools and pensions. Millions of seniors have been forced to move out and no one ever talks about this, because it's not the story you all want to tell or even hear about. BTW many of the Union retirees with these fat pensions ironically move down to Non Union Southern States to pay much lower property taxes.
So EO 12612 is from Regan... Big surprise right? But Section 2(d) has a few words that bother me:
The people of the States are free, subject only to restrictions in the Constitution itself or in constitutionally authorized Acts of Congress, to define the moral, political, and legal character of their lives.
The use of the word 'moral' is of utmost concern. This word has a connotaion that differs between all people. This is a law? I am very upset to know that I am free but constrained to the federal definitions of acceptable moral, political, and legal character. I understood that the government was NOT to impose such definitions.
No wonder the right wing loves Regan. It isn't just about money... it is about the 'moral' character he defined which has lead to Islamaphobia and the systematic, legislative manipulation of the lexicon associated with moral, political, and legal character.
I heard the conversation you had with John Nichols. If there is a criminal investigation into Walker, could the use of political power to control the citizens at the behest of a private corporate interest borderline treasonous behavior?
He's not one of us? Is this the so called "shadow government" coming to light? If nothing else it seems like conspiracy. Shouldn't the feds be placing Walker under arrest?
Voices on the radio tell us that we're going to war those brave men and women in uniform they want to know what they're fighting for the generals want to hear the end game the allies won't approve the plan but the oil men in the white house they just don't give a damn
it's all about the price of oil it's all about the price of oil don't give me no shit about blood, sweat, tears and toil it's all about the price of oil now I ain't no fan of Saddam Hussein oh, please don't get me wrong if it's freeing the Iraqi people you're after then why have we waited so long why didn't we sort this out last time was he less evil than he is now the stock market holds the answer to why him, why here, why now
Saddam killed his own people just like general Pinochet and once upon a time both these evil men were supported by the U.S.A. and whisper it, even Bin Laden once drank from America's cup just like that election down in Florida this shit doesn't all add up it's all about the price of oil ‘cause it's all about the price of oil don't give me no shit about blood, sweat, tears and toil it's all about the price of oil
To your point, I heard a study was done on women to ask if they would stop having sex for a year to be thin. I cannot remember the results (it was a TYT clip by Ana) however, I thought to myself, you want to be thin? that just requires a lack of food... But thin (which is a sign of poverty in a socioeconomic way!) and abstinent (a religious moral issue and with STD's a personal moral issue). I am disgusted that a woman would say 'yes.' Less food and more sex would probably help a woman lose weight faster. So I think people are now willing to accept a lower standard of living without even knowing it.
Also, I am a mathematician and I too look forward to teaching my knowledge to people who wish to imbue it. Keep talking! We need people with brains to participate in the civil rhetoric of politics and teaching.
You know what I find the most hilarious thing about the fake Koch/Walker call. Walker loves to hear himself talk so much, he's not really even paying much attention to what Koch is saying. I mean he must have talked to Koch before, and I bet anything Koch isn't the type of guy who calls someone to listen to them drone on and on; Walker is one of those guys who loves the sound of his voice so much, he isn't even talking with Koch, he's just talking to someone he figures wants to hear him. I had a boss like that, I could find out so much about the company's status, by just sitting in his office and saying nothing, just letting him drone on and on. Typical egomaniac.
Can't wait to see how this plays out over the next few days, especially now that the Democrats have a nice layout of the game plan. Walker is in deep do-do now, I bet Koch wants to strangle him after hearing this mock call. I can see Koch saying to him, "You idiot, when have you ever heard me talk like that before?" whether Koch talks like that or not would be beside the point, he's probably just pissed and is telling himself he wouldn't talk like that.
Well right wing how does it feel to be Breitbart'ed.... hah hah.
He's 5 foot 2 and he's 6 feet 4
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17.
He's been a soldier for a thousand years
He's a catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain
A Buddhist, and a Baptist and Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill
And he knows he always will Kill you'll for me my friend and me for you
And He's fighting for Canada.
He's fighting for France.
He's fighting for the USA.
And he's fighting for the Russians.
And he's fighting for Japan
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.
And He's fighting for democracy,
He's fighting for the reds
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one, who must decide,
who's to live and who's to die.
And he never sees the writing on the wall.
But without him,
how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon of the war.
And without him all this killing can't go on
He's the universal soldier
And he really is the blame
His orders comes from
far away no more.
They come from him.
And you and me.
And brothers can't you see.
This is not the way we put an end to war
Thom, I have a Masters in Business and a under grad in Engineering. I look forward to a career in teaching because of having had four previous positions outsourced over the last 9 years.
It is obvious that the dilemma in Wisconsin is part of a strategy for the new American business model in that the corporation’s mindset in Washington is not to deal with the countries involved in illegal trade but rather lower the American standard of living so as to keep their profit margin stable.
REPUBLICANS ARE SOCIAL DARWINISTS -- they believe the government should help the rich live long and prosper! THE government should let the rich exploit the working classes until they die from hard work and exhaustion!! AND should let the poor die off from starvation and disease because they will never amount to anything and are a drain on society!!!
The seeds of Social Darwinism were actually planted before the publication of Darwin's "The Origin of Species"(though of course the name didn't originate until after). Herbert Spencer, the father of Social Darwinism as an ethical theory, was thinking in terms of elitist, "might makes right" sorts of views long before Darwin published his theory. The concept of adaptation allowed Spencer to claim that the rich and powerful were better adapted to the social and economic climate of the time, and the concept of natural selection allowed him to argue that it was natural, normal, and proper for the strong to thrive at the expense of the weak. Whether it be humans, races, or the state, Spencer's thoughts were clear: "If they are sufficiently complete to live, they do live, and it is well they should live. If they are not sufficiently complete to live, they die, and it is best they die." In its simplest form, Social Darwinism follows the theory of "the strong survive," even in human issues.It is the application of the theory of natural selection to social, political, and economic issues. According to Social Darwinism, those with economic, physical, and technological strength flourish and those without are destined for extinction. This theory was used to promote the idea that the white European race was superior to others, and therefore, destined to rule over them.
""Social Darwinism is a belief, popular in the late Victorian era in England, America, and elsewhere, which states that the strongest or fittest should survive and flourish in society, while the weak and unfit should be allowed to die. The theory was chiefly expounded by Herbert Spencer (1820-1903), whose ethical philosophies always held an elitist view and later received a boost from the application of Darwinian ideas such as adaptation and natural selection.
According to Darwin's evolutionary theory, nature is a "kill-or-be-killed" system. Those that cannot keep up are either left behind or cut off. The strong survive, and those best suited to survival will out-live the weak.
Social Darwinism was used to justify numerous exploits which we classify as of dubious moral value today. Colonialism was seen as natural and inevitable; people saw natives as being weaker and more unfit to survive, and therefore felt justified in seizing land and resources. Finally, it gave the ethical nod to brutal colonial governments who used oppressive tactics against their subjects.
At the time that Spencer began to promote Social Darwinism, the technology, economy, and government of the "White European" was advanced in comparison to that of other cultures. Looking at this apparent advantage, as well as the economic and military structures, some argued that natural selection was playing out, and that the race more suited to survival was winning. Some even extended this philosophy into a micro-economic issue, claiming that social welfare programs that helped the poor and disadvantaged were contrary to nature itself. Those who reject any and all forms of charity or governmental welfare often use arguments rooted in Social Darwinism.
Social Darwinism has been used to justify eugenics programs aimed at weeding "undesirable" genes from the population; such programs were sometimes accompanied by sterilization laws directed against "unfit" individuals. The American eugenics movement was relatively popular between about 1910-1930, during which 24 states passed sterilization laws and Congress passed a law restricting immigration from certain areas deemed to be unfit. Social Darwinist ideas, though in different forms, were also applied by the Nazi party in Germany to justify their eugenics programs. With the development of the notion of eugenics — not only could you prevail over the unfit by making war on them, but you could improve the breed by applying "enlightened" notions of selection and genetics.
At its worst, the implications of Social Darwinism were used as scientific justification for the Holocaust.The Nazis claimed that the murder of Jews in World War II was an example of cleaning out inferior genetics. This view embraced the assumption that the strong were superior, and thus ordained to prevail. Social Darwinism applied to military action as well; the argument went that the strongest military would win, and would therefore be the most fit. Casualties on the losing side, of course, were written off as the natural result of their unfit status. Thus, if two countries were to make war on each other, the victor was biologically superior to the loser. It was therefore right and proper for that victor to subjugate or even eliminate the inferior opponent. Not only was survival of the fittest natural, but it was also morally correct. Indeed, some extreme Social Darwinists argued that it was morally incorrect to assist those weaker than oneself, since that would be promoting the survival and possible reproduction of someone who was fundamentally unfit.
A second way pseudo-evolutionary concepts were applied to human interaction was in the development of cut-throat capitalism in the United States. Here the ideology was that the cream naturally rose to the top; the successful made a lot of money simply because they were superior to the unsuccessful. Those who found themselves in poverty were poor because they were intrinsically inferior. It provided a justification for the more exploitative forms of capitalism in which workers were paid sometimes pennies a day for long hours of backbreaking labor. Social Darwinism also justified big business' refusal to acknowledge labor unions and similar organizations, and implied that the rich need not donate money to the poor or less fortunate, since such people were less fit anyway.This political philosophy resisted suggestions like universal education, welfare, minimum wage; in short, anything which interfered with the business of the "superior" ascending to the top of the heap and squashing the unfit beneath their expensive shoes.""
I am really interested to know if there is a connection with Koch industries and the Bush family. G.H.W. Bush signed Executive Order #12803 which is an order to privatize the entire federal government. It says:
Sec. 2. Fundamental Principles. Executive departments and agencies shall be guided by the following objectives and principles: (a) Adequate and well-maintained infrastructure is critical to economic growth. Consistent with the principles of federalism enumerated in Executive Order No. 12612, and in order to allow the private sector to Provide for infrastructure modernization and expansion, State and local governments should have greater freedom to privatize infrastructure assets.
This is a bit freaky to me. I know that Homeland Security is private and does not have to answer to any elected officials. Also, I know that there was a case filed along the lines of the 'freedom of information act V. intellectual property rights.' Dibold (who owns/programs, and records election votes) is some 40% of the digital voting machines. The brother of the man who owns that company owns a company that is responsible for another 40% of digital voting machines. After Bush Jr's re-election, citizens wanted to know about the digital security programmed into the machines - but the 'intellectual property rights" of a corporation out weighted the 'freedom of information act.' This is suspicious because an MIT professor in cryptography got a copy of the source code extracted from Dibold and said he would not feel comfortable giving a student (assuming it was a homework problem) a F. he would ask the student to withdraw! So even our voting system is private... ergo, the security of our voting systems is not even security.
Wow! This really is about money and power. This is about the Republican party making certain the Democratic party loses it's major funding source; unions. Once unions are essentially obliterated, so is the infrastucture they have to organize and raise funds. It is also stripping others of the power to prevent unilateral decisions on selling off essential resources in the State of Wisconsin. After hearing this, go to TPM for more details included in this legislation.
Unions do not receive a higher percentage than cost of living. The cost of living has excluded food and oil increases. Cost of living is a farce in this country. I have not received a cost of living for three years. I have lost 45% of any retirement twice in ten years. The federal government has not bailed me out like they did for for the crooks and robbers from banks and Wall Street. I have lost seventy cents on each dollar. My retirement is only thirty cents on a dollar. NO ONE IS BAILING ME OUT. The rich now has my money to have them become more wealthy. I suffer a BOHICA DAY everyday from American corporations and the American rich.
While it's hard to find a quid pro quo smoking gun in this conversation, it is damning enough that the governor of a state who is presumably busy doing the peoples business has 20 minutes to give to an OUT-OF-STATE "constituent", especially when he whines about protesters coming from out of state.
Hi Thom, I was listening to the Ed show like I do every day. In regards to why the President is not addressing the issue in Wisconsin, and he will not I feel because of the corporations investment in Global Trade, the mindset in Washington is not to deal with the illegal countries involved in trade but rather lower the American standard of living so as to keep their profit margin stable. Your right it is war but on a very well thought out, very high level strategy that requires very detailed steps in order to accomplish its objectives. Citizens United, by the way Mr. Hoffa is a sell out and no one really respects him because of is under the table dealing and I use to belong to his union, he sold us out for temp workers back in 2006 and 2007 where once Airborne Express now is DHL was allowed to set up and get rid of all its senior employees with benefits of course, only to eventually close its doors and reopen under DHL. That is only one example, I have many more. The President will never address the real issue because he is a corporate Democrate, period! His ideal logy is different from what he portrayed it to be when he was running for the office.
If Scott Walker and his cronies win I think this is the beginning of the end of America as we know it. Even if they lose this battle they are not going to give up trying to subjugate the people. When it does happen I wonder if these fascists have thought out their strategy for controlling the most heavily armed civilian population in the world. And Thom is dead wrong if he thinks the military will obey an order to bomb a major city if a full scale revolt was happening. I think everyone in this country is waiting for the spark that will set off a full scale revolt against the government. We all know that they have gone too far with their 'enabling acts', oh i mean patriot acts and stealing all of the countries wealth and telling us to tighten our belts and blaming us for this crisis. The Wisconsin ordeal and yes even the rage of the astroturf teabaggers has been simmering since Bush seized power in his bloodless coup.
Here is what we need to do: We need to organize. It is great that we got all this support. However, if this fizzles, we lose. You and all the listeners knows what will follow.
We need to set up campaigns to recall these republican senators. That's what fox is telling the drones, and they'll attempt to do it insomuch as to actually get recall elections going - why? funding, organizations, and the drone machine. We - we have little or none of that.
One other comment to tell the drones - I had heard on some fox talk show some host saying "walker won with the democratic process, therefore, he needs to stay and have a chance"....... My response - so did hitler. I can't wait to tell a droid that one and see them either sit in silence, attempt to weakly argue or revise history, or change the subject.
John Nichols is great! I am so happy to hear that I am not the only one to hear to the unethical dialogue that Ian had with Scott Walker yesterday. Thom, please keep us updated on ANY criminal investigations as time unveils details.
-Adam.
P.S.
Isn't it unethical to not meet with the union leaders but to take a phone call from a Koch???
(Can't believe no one here has mentioned "Billy don't be a hero", maybe I just remember it as one of the first songs I can remember from the radio, even at 3 yrs old I knew it was anti-war.)
Democrats are blood sucking leeches. My father's 3 bdr home paid $400 in property taxes, today it's $10,000. The 25 fold increase in 30 years wasn't caused by greedy corporations. It was caused by greedy Unionized Public Sector pay and pensions that far exceed those in the private sector. Pensions they collect at 53 not 67. Pensions that pay 2-3 times what SSA pays for the same wage rate. and pensions that in the case of Wisconsin teachers they only paid 6/10th of 1 percent to get.
Any consideration for booking Writer /Author Malcolm Gladwell on the Thom Hartmann Show?
Gladwell does excellent work in deconstructing “human behavior” and yielding best-sellers?
How would Gladwell deconstruct the current social, economic, and political landscapes?
Hey Obama rammed ObamaCare down the nation's throat even though the vast majority of polls showed the majority of the country didn't want his brand of health care reform. WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
Wisconsin has been in Fiscal Crisis for TWO YEARS. and only now when under serious threats the Unions agree to pay more. Here's what you're all supporting. Wisconsin teachers get pensions that pay two to three times what Social Security pays for the same wage rate. They get it at 53 not 67 like SSA and they paid 6/10th of 1 percent to get this, not 6.2%. Wisconsin isn't just broke it's deeply in debt and the property taxes are sky high. My father paid $400 in 1980 for a 3 bdr home, today it's $10,000 that's a 25 fold increase in a period of time inflation only increased 3 fold. Years ago, I met a retired machinist on a $18,000 pension forced to pay $7,000 in property taxes for another 3 bdr home. Most of the money went to schools and pensions. Millions of seniors have been forced to move out and no one ever talks about this, because it's not the story you all want to tell or even hear about. BTW many of the Union retirees with these fat pensions ironically move down to Non Union Southern States to pay much lower property taxes.
So EO 12612 is from Regan... Big surprise right? But Section 2(d) has a few words that bother me:
The people of the States are free, subject only to restrictions in the Constitution itself or in constitutionally authorized Acts of Congress, to define the moral, political, and legal character of their lives.
The use of the word 'moral' is of utmost concern. This word has a connotaion that differs between all people. This is a law? I am very upset to know that I am free but constrained to the federal definitions of acceptable moral, political, and legal character. I understood that the government was NOT to impose such definitions.
No wonder the right wing loves Regan. It isn't just about money... it is about the 'moral' character he defined which has lead to Islamaphobia and the systematic, legislative manipulation of the lexicon associated with moral, political, and legal character.
This is egregious.
-Adam.
Thom,
I heard the conversation you had with John Nichols. If there is a criminal investigation into Walker, could the use of political power to control the citizens at the behest of a private corporate interest borderline treasonous behavior?
-Adam.
He's not one of us? Is this the so called "shadow government" coming to light? If nothing else it seems like conspiracy. Shouldn't the feds be placing Walker under arrest?
I think these stats need to be repeated over and over again!!!!!
http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2011/02/22/no-strong-teacher-unions-lower-satact-scores-any-correlation/
Only five states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal.
Those states and their ACT/SAT rankings are as follows:
South Carolina – 50th
North Carolina – 49th
Georgia – 48th
Texas – 47th
Virginia – 44th
My choice for Anti-War songs would be The Price of Oil by Billy Bragg.
This particular video is doubly appropriate right now as it was recorded in the lobby of the AFL-CIO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjAhlh23zPM
Voices on the radio
tell us that we're going to war
those brave men and women in uniform
they want to know what they're fighting for
the generals want to hear the end game
the allies won't approve the plan
but the oil men in the white house
they just don't give a damn
it's all about the price of oil
it's all about the price of oil
don't give me no shit
about blood, sweat, tears and toil
it's all about the price of oil
now I ain't no fan of Saddam Hussein
oh, please don't get me wrong
if it's freeing the Iraqi people you're after
then why have we waited so long
why didn't we sort this out last time
was he less evil than he is now
the stock market holds the answer
to why him, why here, why now
Saddam killed his own people
just like general Pinochet
and once upon a time both these evil men
were supported by the U.S.A.
and whisper it, even Bin Laden
once drank from America's cup
just like that election down in Florida
this shit doesn't all add up
it's all about the price of oil
‘cause it's all about the price of oil
don't give me no shit
about blood, sweat, tears and toil
it's all about the price of oil
Vince,
To your point, I heard a study was done on women to ask if they would stop having sex for a year to be thin. I cannot remember the results (it was a TYT clip by Ana) however, I thought to myself, you want to be thin? that just requires a lack of food... But thin (which is a sign of poverty in a socioeconomic way!) and abstinent (a religious moral issue and with STD's a personal moral issue). I am disgusted that a woman would say 'yes.' Less food and more sex would probably help a woman lose weight faster. So I think people are now willing to accept a lower standard of living without even knowing it.
Also, I am a mathematician and I too look forward to teaching my knowledge to people who wish to imbue it. Keep talking! We need people with brains to participate in the civil rhetoric of politics and teaching.
-Adam.
You know what I find the most hilarious thing about the fake Koch/Walker call. Walker loves to hear himself talk so much, he's not really even paying much attention to what Koch is saying. I mean he must have talked to Koch before, and I bet anything Koch isn't the type of guy who calls someone to listen to them drone on and on; Walker is one of those guys who loves the sound of his voice so much, he isn't even talking with Koch, he's just talking to someone he figures wants to hear him. I had a boss like that, I could find out so much about the company's status, by just sitting in his office and saying nothing, just letting him drone on and on. Typical egomaniac.
Can't wait to see how this plays out over the next few days, especially now that the Democrats have a nice layout of the game plan. Walker is in deep do-do now, I bet Koch wants to strangle him after hearing this mock call. I can see Koch saying to him, "You idiot, when have you ever heard me talk like that before?" whether Koch talks like that or not would be beside the point, he's probably just pissed and is telling himself he wouldn't talk like that.
Well right wing how does it feel to be Breitbart'ed.... hah hah.
Freakin' hilarious.
N
Universal Soldier by Buffy Sainte-Marie
He's 5 foot 2 and he's 6 feet 4
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17.
He's been a soldier for a thousand years
He's a catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain
A Buddhist, and a Baptist and Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill
And he knows he always will Kill you'll for me my friend and me for you
And He's fighting for Canada.
He's fighting for France.
He's fighting for the USA.
And he's fighting for the Russians.
And he's fighting for Japan
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.
And He's fighting for democracy,
He's fighting for the reds
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one, who must decide,
who's to live and who's to die.
And he never sees the writing on the wall.
But without him,
how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon of the war.
And without him all this killing can't go on
He's the universal soldier
And he really is the blame
His orders comes from
far away no more.
They come from him.
And you and me.
And brothers can't you see.
This is not the way we put an end to war
Thom, I have a Masters in Business and a under grad in Engineering. I look forward to a career in teaching because of having had four previous positions outsourced over the last 9 years.
It is obvious that the dilemma in Wisconsin is part of a strategy for the new American business model in that the corporation’s mindset in Washington is not to deal with the countries involved in illegal trade but rather lower the American standard of living so as to keep their profit margin stable.
REPUBLICANS ARE SOCIAL DARWINISTS -- they believe the government should help the rich live long and prosper! THE government should let the rich exploit the working classes until they die from hard work and exhaustion!! AND should let the poor die off from starvation and disease because they will never amount to anything and are a drain on society!!!
The seeds of Social Darwinism were actually planted before the publication of Darwin's "The Origin of Species"(though of course the name didn't originate until after). Herbert Spencer, the father of Social Darwinism as an ethical theory, was thinking in terms of elitist, "might makes right" sorts of views long before Darwin published his theory. The concept of adaptation allowed Spencer to claim that the rich and powerful were better adapted to the social and economic climate of the time, and the concept of natural selection allowed him to argue that it was natural, normal, and proper for the strong to thrive at the expense of the weak. Whether it be humans, races, or the state, Spencer's thoughts were clear: "If they are sufficiently complete to live, they do live, and it is well they should live. If they are not sufficiently complete to live, they die, and it is best they die." In its simplest form, Social Darwinism follows the theory of "the strong survive," even in human issues.It is the application of the theory of natural selection to social, political, and economic issues. According to Social Darwinism, those with economic, physical, and technological strength flourish and those without are destined for extinction. This theory was used to promote the idea that the white European race was superior to others, and therefore, destined to rule over them.
""Social Darwinism is a belief, popular in the late Victorian era in England, America, and elsewhere, which states that the strongest or fittest should survive and flourish in society, while the weak and unfit should be allowed to die. The theory was chiefly expounded by Herbert Spencer (1820-1903), whose ethical philosophies always held an elitist view and later received a boost from the application of Darwinian ideas such as adaptation and natural selection.
According to Darwin's evolutionary theory, nature is a "kill-or-be-killed" system. Those that cannot keep up are either left behind or cut off. The strong survive, and those best suited to survival will out-live the weak.
Social Darwinism was used to justify numerous exploits which we classify as of dubious moral value today. Colonialism was seen as natural and inevitable; people saw natives as being weaker and more unfit to survive, and therefore felt justified in seizing land and resources. Finally, it gave the ethical nod to brutal colonial governments who used oppressive tactics against their subjects.
At the time that Spencer began to promote Social Darwinism, the technology, economy, and government of the "White European" was advanced in comparison to that of other cultures. Looking at this apparent advantage, as well as the economic and military structures, some argued that natural selection was playing out, and that the race more suited to survival was winning. Some even extended this philosophy into a micro-economic issue, claiming that social welfare programs that helped the poor and disadvantaged were contrary to nature itself. Those who reject any and all forms of charity or governmental welfare often use arguments rooted in Social Darwinism.
Social Darwinism has been used to justify eugenics programs aimed at weeding "undesirable" genes from the population; such programs were sometimes accompanied by sterilization laws directed against "unfit" individuals. The American eugenics movement was relatively popular between about 1910-1930, during which 24 states passed sterilization laws and Congress passed a law restricting immigration from certain areas deemed to be unfit. Social Darwinist ideas, though in different forms, were also applied by the Nazi party in Germany to justify their eugenics programs. With the development of the notion of eugenics — not only could you prevail over the unfit by making war on them, but you could improve the breed by applying "enlightened" notions of selection and genetics.
At its worst, the implications of Social Darwinism were used as scientific justification for the Holocaust. The Nazis claimed that the murder of Jews in World War II was an example of cleaning out inferior genetics. This view embraced the assumption that the strong were superior, and thus ordained to prevail. Social Darwinism applied to military action as well; the argument went that the strongest military would win, and would therefore be the most fit. Casualties on the losing side, of course, were written off as the natural result of their unfit status. Thus, if two countries were to make war on each other, the victor was biologically superior to the loser. It was therefore right and proper for that victor to subjugate or even eliminate the inferior opponent. Not only was survival of the fittest natural, but it was also morally correct. Indeed, some extreme Social Darwinists argued that it was morally incorrect to assist those weaker than oneself, since that would be promoting the survival and possible reproduction of someone who was fundamentally unfit. A second way pseudo-evolutionary concepts were applied to human interaction was in the development of cut-throat capitalism in the United States. Here the ideology was that the cream naturally rose to the top; the successful made a lot of money simply because they were superior to the unsuccessful. Those who found themselves in poverty were poor because they were intrinsically inferior. It provided a justification for the more exploitative forms of capitalism in which workers were paid sometimes pennies a day for long hours of backbreaking labor. Social Darwinism also justified big business' refusal to acknowledge labor unions and similar organizations, and implied that the rich need not donate money to the poor or less fortunate, since such people were less fit anyway. This political philosophy resisted suggestions like universal education, welfare, minimum wage; in short, anything which interfered with the business of the "superior" ascending to the top of the heap and squashing the unfit beneath their expensive shoes.""
http://www.allaboutscience.org/what-is-social-darwinism-faq.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/C004367/eh4.shtml
Hang in there like hitler did?
I am really interested to know if there is a connection with Koch industries and the Bush family. G.H.W. Bush signed Executive Order #12803 which is an order to privatize the entire federal government. It says:
Sec. 2. Fundamental Principles. Executive departments and agencies shall be guided by the following objectives and principles: (a) Adequate and well-maintained infrastructure is critical to economic growth. Consistent with the principles of federalism enumerated in Executive Order No. 12612, and in order to allow the private sector to Provide for infrastructure modernization and expansion, State and local governments should have greater freedom to privatize infrastructure assets.
This is a bit freaky to me. I know that Homeland Security is private and does not have to answer to any elected officials. Also, I know that there was a case filed along the lines of the 'freedom of information act V. intellectual property rights.' Dibold (who owns/programs, and records election votes) is some 40% of the digital voting machines. The brother of the man who owns that company owns a company that is responsible for another 40% of digital voting machines. After Bush Jr's re-election, citizens wanted to know about the digital security programmed into the machines - but the 'intellectual property rights" of a corporation out weighted the 'freedom of information act.' This is suspicious because an MIT professor in cryptography got a copy of the source code extracted from Dibold and said he would not feel comfortable giving a student (assuming it was a homework problem) a F. he would ask the student to withdraw! So even our voting system is private... ergo, the security of our voting systems is not even security.
http://www.waterindustry.org/12803.htm
Texas state debt has DOUBLED since Gov. Perry took office from about $13 billion to $28 billion.
http://politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/04/bill-white/white-says-texas-debt-has-doubled-under-perry/
Wow! This really is about money and power. This is about the Republican party making certain the Democratic party loses it's major funding source; unions. Once unions are essentially obliterated, so is the infrastucture they have to organize and raise funds. It is also stripping others of the power to prevent unilateral decisions on selling off essential resources in the State of Wisconsin. After hearing this, go to TPM for more details included in this legislation.
Unions do not receive a higher percentage than cost of living. The cost of living has excluded food and oil increases. Cost of living is a farce in this country. I have not received a cost of living for three years. I have lost 45% of any retirement twice in ten years. The federal government has not bailed me out like they did for for the crooks and robbers from banks and Wall Street. I have lost seventy cents on each dollar. My retirement is only thirty cents on a dollar. NO ONE IS BAILING ME OUT. The rich now has my money to have them become more wealthy. I suffer a BOHICA DAY everyday from American corporations and the American rich.
While it's hard to find a quid pro quo smoking gun in this conversation, it is damning enough that the governor of a state who is presumably busy doing the peoples business has 20 minutes to give to an OUT-OF-STATE "constituent", especially when he whines about protesters coming from out of state.
Hi Thom, I was listening to the Ed show like I do every day. In regards to why the President is not addressing the issue in Wisconsin, and he will not I feel because of the corporations investment in Global Trade, the mindset in Washington is not to deal with the illegal countries involved in trade but rather lower the American standard of living so as to keep their profit margin stable. Your right it is war but on a very well thought out, very high level strategy that requires very detailed steps in order to accomplish its objectives. Citizens United, by the way Mr. Hoffa is a sell out and no one really respects him because of is under the table dealing and I use to belong to his union, he sold us out for temp workers back in 2006 and 2007 where once Airborne Express now is DHL was allowed to set up and get rid of all its senior employees with benefits of course, only to eventually close its doors and reopen under DHL. That is only one example, I have many more. The President will never address the real issue because he is a corporate Democrate, period! His ideal logy is different from what he portrayed it to be when he was running for the office.
Vince
lake Forest, IL
If Scott Walker and his cronies win I think this is the beginning of the end of America as we know it. Even if they lose this battle they are not going to give up trying to subjugate the people. When it does happen I wonder if these fascists have thought out their strategy for controlling the most heavily armed civilian population in the world. And Thom is dead wrong if he thinks the military will obey an order to bomb a major city if a full scale revolt was happening. I think everyone in this country is waiting for the spark that will set off a full scale revolt against the government. We all know that they have gone too far with their 'enabling acts', oh i mean patriot acts and stealing all of the countries wealth and telling us to tighten our belts and blaming us for this crisis. The Wisconsin ordeal and yes even the rage of the astroturf teabaggers has been simmering since Bush seized power in his bloodless coup.
Great Article.
Here is what we need to do: We need to organize. It is great that we got all this support. However, if this fizzles, we lose. You and all the listeners knows what will follow.
We need to set up campaigns to recall these republican senators. That's what fox is telling the drones, and they'll attempt to do it insomuch as to actually get recall elections going - why? funding, organizations, and the drone machine. We - we have little or none of that.
One other comment to tell the drones - I had heard on some fox talk show some host saying "walker won with the democratic process, therefore, he needs to stay and have a chance"....... My response - so did hitler. I can't wait to tell a droid that one and see them either sit in silence, attempt to weakly argue or revise history, or change the subject.
John Nichols is great! I am so happy to hear that I am not the only one to hear to the unethical dialogue that Ian had with Scott Walker yesterday. Thom, please keep us updated on ANY criminal investigations as time unveils details.
-Adam.
P.S.
Isn't it unethical to not meet with the union leaders but to take a phone call from a Koch???
Billy don't be a hero - Paper Lace
Give Peace a Chance - John Lennon
Where have all the flowers gone - Kingston Trio
Eaton Rifles - The Jam
(Can't believe no one here has mentioned "Billy don't be a hero", maybe I just remember it as one of the first songs I can remember from the radio, even at 3 yrs old I knew it was anti-war.)