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@mstaggerlee, so you'll be wanting the, 'I'm just a Church member without an opinion' section, bunch of dust in cobwebs way back there.
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@moonbat, re: I still have hope.
... and I applaud you for it, even if Gerald thinks you are a misguided fool.
@Nels - I freely and willingly admit that I ain't hoiler than nobody.
Assuming that (against my will) I will be made to participate in all this foolishness, y'all can push my wheelchair into whatever section has the most available space.
Just the fact that anyone thinks that Obama was is not a US citizen is a bit scarry. This has been driven into the brains of a large part of our population by Faux Fucking Noise, better known as the birth place for the hatred of the working class. I'm not too sure, it's almost too late. The senators and the conrgessmen are already owned by the corporations. Yes, I know there are a few good men, sounds like a BS title for a movie. The Tea Partiers don't even know that they are being organized by the same corporations that own everything. I still have hope.
@mstaggerlee, gee wilikers, I don't know nothing about dem furen religions, so I'll put a check mark next to the "Wheelchair" option. This will require a tube for force feeding the Eucharist wafer (that's the white cracker thingy).
Now then will you be wanting to be parked in the 'I'm saved' section, or 'I'm a sinner' section? Again, your free to chose, but considering your condition, the 'I'm holier then thou' section is off limits.
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@Blue Mark, I understand that Birthers are immune to information, but frankly, if in the interviews that they do for the media, that point was brought up everytime, then even though they may remain entrenched in their belief; I believe fewer and fewer people would bother to listen to them until such interviews would become worthless and then would stop.
Oops I guess I just answered my own question... ratings rule.
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@maxrot:
@Blue Mark, so by what you're saying, even if Obama was born in Kenya, or Timbuktu, so long as his American mother gave birth to him, and he returned to America, he is considered a "Naturalized Citizen"?
Yes, he is a "citizen", but not "naturalized", he is "natural born" just like anyone born in the United States.
If this is so, why doesn't someone point out the the birthers that their premise that he is not a naturalized citizen is completely bogus to begin with because its not where he was born, so much as it is who gave birth to him; that location of birth is just secondary?
Because birthers are immune to information, the more you prove them wrong the more strongly they believe the untruth. This is a psychological concept called "The Backfire Effect".
Read about it (and listen) here: http://bluehorde.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-they-lie.html
@Nels - I was born Jewish, and currently hover somewhere between Agnosticism and Bhuddist/Hindu teachings. I can be dragged into a church or synagogue for a wedding or a funeral. In order to get me into such a venue on a weekly basis, you'd have to put me into a coma and push me inside in a wheelchair.
@trinkelson - Maybe because McCain's white, and Obama's not?
Did Bill Halter export jobs to India?
If I remember correctly, Senator McCain was born in a civilian hospital, in Colon (?), not on the military base. His father the Admiral did not want him mixing with the hoi polloi enlisted men. If that is the case, he's less of a citizen than President Obama. Why aren't the birthers up in arms over this?
@mstaggerlee, so are you signed up for church on Sunday or Saturday? You're free to choose you know. ;-)
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@Gerald -
It seems to me that your medical issues are, quite naturally, having an effect upon your outlook on life. I do not doubt that your situation is indeed hellish. However, I can no longer sit idle and silent in the face of your rants that America is Hell. This offends me, personally, and I beieve that I'm not the only one here who is offended by these assertions.
I get that your situation seems hopeless, and that this colors all of your feelings and views. But spreading hoplessness is ultimately destructive. You may feel that the messages of hope that others try to spread is false, and that false hope is also, to some extent, destructive.
America is STILL the best idea anyone ever had for how to run a nation, Gerald. We're a comparitively young nation, and still trying to figure out how to make it all work. I cannot accept that we have to tear it all down and start anew, down a different road. I agree that we've veered off-course recently, but I still have to believe that course correction is possible without completely tearing up the road we've already travelled. There has to be a way that we can continue forward, taking a few intellegent turns, and get ourselves back on a sane course once again.
Have you read Thom's book, "Cracking the Code", Gerald? Your use of the term "The United States of Hell" amounts to simple name-calling, and as such is NOT an effective means of advancing your argument.
@Blue Mark, so by what you're saying, even if Obama was born in Kenya, or Timbuktu, so long as his American mother gave birth to him, and he returned to America, he is considered a "Naturalized Citizen"? If this is so, why doesn't someone point out the the birthers that their premise that he is not a naturalized citizen is completely bogus to begin with because its not where he was born, so much as it is who gave birth to him; that location of birth is just secondary?
I must be missing something here.
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No, you would be a "natural born" citizen if you are the child of a citizen and return to the US at some point and establish legal residency - Just like John McCain who was born to a US citizen at a hospital in Colon, Panama outside the US Canal Zone.
Regarding Obama's Birth Certificate, FactCheck.org says "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Well gerald, if I was a church goer, I'd pray "Oh Lord please deliver me from the good intentions of people who believe they have all the right answers".
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Thom -
what is the destination of the oil which would have been and may still be produced from this particular well?
i'm asking this question because certain people we've seen in the news for the past couple of years (at least) have used the phrase "drill baby drill" to give the impression that drilling offshore is going to help US overcome our dependence on foreign oil..
all those who have been urgently advocating offshore drilling to help us get off our dependence of foreign oil need to explain why it is that the oil produced by these offshore rigs are not mandated for u.s. markets, and can be sold anywhere, e.g. japan and china, to the highest bidder...
do we allow foreigners to drill offshore, ignoring safety precautions which result in destroying our southern coastline (even more than mother nature has done), putting thousands out of work indefinitely and permanently, killing untold thousands of creatures in the wildlife kingdom, destroying 25% of our wetlands (early esitmate)... while letting the oil go to japan and china, not here?
isn't this equivalent to damage caused by war?
@Newtrev, re: if there were corporations back in the stone age, would we still be using flint knives and stone wheels?
No, we wouldn't - the corporations that held those patents would still have them locked up in the depths of their cave, as such items might threaten their profits.
@newtrev, silly, of course we wouldn't be using flint knives and stone wheels if corporations existed back in the stone age.
All the flint and stone would have been used up ages ago and made useless.
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@harry ashburn, #25 offers what I would do if I was the president.
@Maxrot, drastic changes require drastic measures. Personally, I do not care what people do on Sundays. I choose to go to church on Saturday evening. I share information. People can accept the information or reject the information.
Aother must read article!
http://consortiumnews.com/2010/030810.html
How many People have died in the collapse of a solar farm? How many People have died in an explosion of a windfarm? how many animals have died or habitats have been destroyed by air leaks from the destroyed wind farms? How many tidal power plants have soaked birds in water?
When will people realize that we have to evolve to the next level? imagine if there were corporations back in the stone age - would we still be using flint knives and stone wheels???
@gerald, so your benevolant rule would begin by extinguishing Democratic rule?
I suppose all citizens would have to attend church on Sundays too, or be shot like animals in the street?
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A must read article!!!
http://consortiumnews.com/2010/033110.html