What do you think makes him tick? Is it money alone or is he also power-crazy? (I keep wondering why such a professed religious person that he claims to be doesn't see the moral contradiction in his position, or maybe I understand too well...)
BEFORE WE GET STRATED: In defense of Joseph Lieberman (I-Aetna Health Insurance), it needs to be noted that in his party of one, Connecticut for Lieberman, Holy Joementum is on the ultra-radical Progressive wing of his political party.
In an update to a local story I mentioned here, it appears as if media scrutiny and a multi-million dollar lawsuit has moved authorities to name the police officer who emptied his service revolver into the body of a man armed with an excessive amount of alcohol in his system. The officer is also being charged with first-degree manslaughter. It is my impression however, that this criminal charge is really just play to neutralize the lawsuit; cops are never convicted of such killings. Remember Amadou Diallo? In the white neighborhoods of Albany, it was what was the big deal? “If you've got the police doing all this undercover stuff to clean up the streets, some innocent people might get hurt by it. But over all, it's going to do some good” said one resident. When the cop is acquitted, it is doubtless hoped by the authorities that it will lessen the "credibility" of the lawsuit.
Concerning the upcoming Washington state election, I’ll likely vote for Referendum 71, and certainly against the right-wing stealth King County Executive “intelligent design” candidate Susan Hutchison, because I’m a “progressive.” In regard to the former, it merely reconfirms previously approved domestic partnership legislation—save for the fact that it adds same sex couples to the wording. It’s interesting to note that the gay and lesbian community is putting all domestic partnership statutes at risk in this referendum, instead of merely putting forward a stand-alone referendum that calls for the inclusion of same sex couples--for obvious reasons.
Though I’ll likely vote for 71, it is with some reluctance. The pro-71 television ads have taken to the same disingenuousness and fear-mongering that has been the standard MO of the anti-health care reform ads. The ads feature what the 71 proponents consider the demographic most vulnerable to this kind of propaganda—older white women. These ads never mention the words “gay,” “lesbian” or “same sex.” Instead, they “suggest” that “Golden Girls” like the one portrayed might somehow be split apart by voting no against the measure. Most people with a grain of awareness know what is really being played out here; but older people who fear anything that might make life less hospitable are liable not to get the subtly, and even the suggestion of it creates panic in them. The life of these aged white women will not change if 71 is passed or not; no one is going to “tear” them apart, or take their Medicare or Social Security away. But it might make a difference for their alleged granddaughters, pictured with a all-too suggestively tight embrace.
Frankly, I think Obama should just push for federal legislation mandating same sex marriage and do away with this fraud that is “domestic partnership,” which allows too much abuse and deception.
I have often thought that the key for a better world is for women to be in more power positions in government and the world.
Personally, Obama is a failed president. Thom wants to give him time but he has already showed where he stands on many positions. I am eager to see and read that Brooksley Born will run for president in 2012.
Here are some words from from a woman and it solidifies my belief that women are the key for a better world. This woman fought human rights.
Beginning of the Declaration of Sentiments:
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one portion of the family of man to assume among the people of the earth a position different from that which they have hitherto occupied, but one to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes that impel them to such a course.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Free markets are kind of like a lane closure on the highway. Everyone knows what they should do to get through it, there is no 'law' to prevent people from flying by and cutting in to take advantage of everyone waiting their turn. In a nut shell a few people don't break the law, but screw everyone. That semi blocking the lane is like the regulation, it forces everyone to play by the rules.
Hi all, I called in today with the idea to sent cards to the White House reminding people of Brooksley Born and the Frontline episode, "The Warning." Here's the email I sent out. Please pass along if you could... Camille
Hello Folks,
On October 20, 2009 PBS aired a Frontline episode called "The Warning." From the Frontline site: "In the midst of the 1990's bull market, one lone regulator warned about derivatives' dangers -- and overnight became the enemy of some of the most powerful people in Washington..."
That lone regulator was Brooksley Born. She tried to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008. In trying to regulate these markets, she took on then Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, who believed that "the market" would take care of fraud, then Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, and then Assistant Treasury Secretary Larry Summers.
"We didn't truly know the dangers of the market, because it was a dark market," says Brooksley Born, the head of an obscure federal regulatory agency -- the Commodity Futures Trading Commission [CFTC]. "They were totally opposed to [regulating the multitrillion-dollar derivatives market]," Born says. "That puzzled me. What was it that was in this market that had to be hidden?"
"The Warning" starts off a little slow, but wait until you are fully introduced to the heroine, Brooksley Born.
As you will find, many of these same economic powerbrokers and/or their proteges are advising President Obama today and to date there is still NO regulation of these dark markets, as Brooksley Born called them.
First, please prepare a postcard or letter with the following information (include your name and address):
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
ATTN: President Obama
We've posted this action in Frontline's Comments Section below the video, as well as on various talk show message boards, and Camille was on Thom Hartmann's talk show today discussing the action. He thought it was an excellent idea!
We want to send these cards and letters from all areas of the country to focus White House attention on working to enact necessary regulations. Please forward this to concerned citizens everywhere!
I just heard a news report that said that Sen. Joe Lieberman would not be the 60th Dem. vote to prevent Republicans from filibustering the health care reform bill.
True Story (and similar to other events in my life):
A number of years ago, I was in my car, driving home. I didn't have my radio on and was "alone with my thoughts." A question came into my mind, for no apparent reason, "What if Gene Roddenberry wasn't around anymore?" The answer came, "He has already told us everything he has to share."
I got home and heard on the news that night that Roddenberry had died --- just about the time I had those thoughts!
I don't try to explain such occurrences. I just think about them...
Since Thom is venturing into “Coast-to-Coast” territory, NASA, according to one guest on that show, is alleged to be preparing to make a Really Big Announcement, which some believe is the revelation of evidence of a past civilization on the Moon, which is supposed to be where humans originated before departing for Earth. But even this apparent feat of technological know-how doesn’t satisfy some who believe that human advancement had extraterrestrial origins; another guest on the show believes that ETs made occasional visits to Earth to observe and provide assistance in advancing human progress, giving “gifts” such as fire, the wheel and agriculture. Because they abide by a “non-interference” code, they have not shown themselves; but because humans have made such a mess of things with these gifts, they may soon be forced to intervene in human affairs in order to avert global catastrophe. Spiritualists may interpret this as the “second coming.”
George Noory never questions the theories of his guests, no matter how whacky they are, but Art Bell was made of sterner stuff. During a show featuring one of those moon walk debunkers, he probed the guest’s theories with questions that any head-scratcher would ask, and when it was apparent that the “evidence” of a hoax amounted to nothing more than photographic “anomalies,” Bell intoned that it in his opinion, he still believed that man traveled to the moon and back, which left the hapless guest to scramble and tell listeners to buy his book and make their own judgments. When Art Bell tells you your theory is BS on the air, then it is best to find another occupation.
The problem with these moon walk hoax theorists is not unlike that of your average paranormal "specialist"—they talk a good game, but when they are confronted with science, they run for the nearest hill. On the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing, Ron Reagan had on a guest who made the moon walk hoax claim. Then Ron sprung a surprise on him; his next guest was a real scientist who would debunk the hoax theories, and Ron invited the hoax claimer to stay on to debate the issue. His guest immediately took on the aspect of jelly, claiming he wasn’t “prepared” and declined to take up the challenge. Frankly what I would like to see for amusement is one or more of the dozen or so astronauts who actually walked on the moon to "debate" the issue with one of these debunkers.
The germ of that idea is already in our society, if you look. All the followers of the "Star Trek" franchise know and cherish such ideals. The question is, how can that world view be expanded and enacted?
(Sci fi has frequently led advances in society, technically and intellectually.)
I share your vision. The problem is that the last period of enlightenment came on the heels of the Dark Ages and the plague. I fear it will take that kind of extreme shock and resulting "thinning of the herd" before a new rationalism will gain currency and spread. I suspect greed and individuality will always pose a challenge to Utopian dreams.
We need an enlightenment, a new society based on the search for knowledge in nature and the sciences, and helping each other and celebrating life, instead of the all-consuming pursuit of wealth! Take money out of the equation!
Pseudo intellectuals like Alex, (Ayn Rand), want to simplify everything down because that is what their little brains feel comfortable with. They are the Chauncy Gardiners and Forrest Gumps of the political world.
NO! Society is NOT a collection of individuals. A “collection of individuals” is black widow spiders in a box being shaken. There is no animus except to eat one another. HUMANS aren’t spliced together that way.
Society is an entity to itself. Without society is there is no interaction. There is no language. The very horseshit concept he is spewing all over us can not exist in a farging “collection of individuals”.
I hate the Ayn Rand pukes with a passion hotter than a gazillion white hot stars.
Arianna Huffington: When it comes to dealing with Wall Street, President Obama seems to have traded in his position as our economy's commander-in-chief for a different role: pundit-in-chief. He and his top advisors are suddenly very big on urging, advocating, and cajoling. During his weekly radio address, which focused on the need to get America's banks lending to small businesses, the president laid out his plan of action: "We're going to take every appropriate step to encourage them to meet those responsibilities." Encourage them? How about make them? Columnists and bloggers encourage. Presidents execute. It's in the job description. Hence: the executive branch. And the executive branch has plenty of weapons at its disposal to force banks still dependent on billions of dollars in taxpayer funds and guarantees to change behavior
This rhetorical question presupposes that it ever had a soul in the first place. The obvious answer is no. Capitalism is a human construct similar in ways to a machine. Like a machine it has the power to do great good or great harm depending on the care with which it is operated. To raise it to the level of a religion to be worshiped or a being with a soul is how men are lulled into allowing it to run wild and amok. When properly calibrated, adjusted, and run it has the remarkable ability to serve human need in at least two ways. First it provides a system to aid commerce between people. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, it provides a method to harness and control for good, a universal, ancient, and powerful force in our world: GREED. An analogy might be that Capitalism is a nuclear reactor and greed is the radioactive fuel. We have for some time now been withdrawing all the carbon control rods and the fissionable material is beginning to go critical. The laissez-fare capitalists, objectiveists and corporate criminals have managed to take over the controls from the rationalists and instead of running the machine responsibly for the betterment of all, they instead worship it and remove the mechanisms of regulation.
Idea for Thom: Ask your objectiveist friend from the Ayn Rand Institute what he thinks about affording corporations "personhood"? Then ask him what he feels about capital punishment? Finally, ask him what he feels about capital punishment for corporations? Lifting these stones SLOWLY might expose some interesting critters. Just a thought.
Joe Lie-ber-man is all about one thing....his own personal interests. I feel about him as Richard feels about objectivists. @#*!%! :-(
I Like This Guy...
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) is another strong advocate for reform. 'Interesting interview on MSNBC this a.m. (Video)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#33506871
Richard,
What do you think makes him tick? Is it money alone or is he also power-crazy? (I keep wondering why such a professed religious person that he claims to be doesn't see the moral contradiction in his position, or maybe I understand too well...)
BEFORE WE GET STRATED: In defense of Joseph Lieberman (I-Aetna Health Insurance), it needs to be noted that in his party of one, Connecticut for Lieberman, Holy Joementum is on the ultra-radical Progressive wing of his political party.
In an update to a local story I mentioned here, it appears as if media scrutiny and a multi-million dollar lawsuit has moved authorities to name the police officer who emptied his service revolver into the body of a man armed with an excessive amount of alcohol in his system. The officer is also being charged with first-degree manslaughter. It is my impression however, that this criminal charge is really just play to neutralize the lawsuit; cops are never convicted of such killings. Remember Amadou Diallo? In the white neighborhoods of Albany, it was what was the big deal? “If you've got the police doing all this undercover stuff to clean up the streets, some innocent people might get hurt by it. But over all, it's going to do some good” said one resident. When the cop is acquitted, it is doubtless hoped by the authorities that it will lessen the "credibility" of the lawsuit.
Concerning the upcoming Washington state election, I’ll likely vote for Referendum 71, and certainly against the right-wing stealth King County Executive “intelligent design” candidate Susan Hutchison, because I’m a “progressive.” In regard to the former, it merely reconfirms previously approved domestic partnership legislation—save for the fact that it adds same sex couples to the wording. It’s interesting to note that the gay and lesbian community is putting all domestic partnership statutes at risk in this referendum, instead of merely putting forward a stand-alone referendum that calls for the inclusion of same sex couples--for obvious reasons.
Though I’ll likely vote for 71, it is with some reluctance. The pro-71 television ads have taken to the same disingenuousness and fear-mongering that has been the standard MO of the anti-health care reform ads. The ads feature what the 71 proponents consider the demographic most vulnerable to this kind of propaganda—older white women. These ads never mention the words “gay,” “lesbian” or “same sex.” Instead, they “suggest” that “Golden Girls” like the one portrayed might somehow be split apart by voting no against the measure. Most people with a grain of awareness know what is really being played out here; but older people who fear anything that might make life less hospitable are liable not to get the subtly, and even the suggestion of it creates panic in them. The life of these aged white women will not change if 71 is passed or not; no one is going to “tear” them apart, or take their Medicare or Social Security away. But it might make a difference for their alleged granddaughters, pictured with a all-too suggestively tight embrace.
Frankly, I think Obama should just push for federal legislation mandating same sex marriage and do away with this fraud that is “domestic partnership,” which allows too much abuse and deception.
Here is another reason why Obama and the Democratic Congress have failed America.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/26/banks/index.html?source=...
We must rollback the huge tax breaks.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/26/tax_subsidies/index.html...
Obama is a failed president.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/25/military/index.html?sour...
I have often thought that the key for a better world is for women to be in more power positions in government and the world.
Personally, Obama is a failed president. Thom wants to give him time but he has already showed where he stands on many positions. I am eager to see and read that Brooksley Born will run for president in 2012.
Here are some words from from a woman and it solidifies my belief that women are the key for a better world. This woman fought human rights.
Beginning of the Declaration of Sentiments:
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one portion of the family of man to assume among the people of the earth a position different from that which they have hitherto occupied, but one to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes that impel them to such a course.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Free markets are kind of like a lane closure on the highway. Everyone knows what they should do to get through it, there is no 'law' to prevent people from flying by and cutting in to take advantage of everyone waiting their turn. In a nut shell a few people don't break the law, but screw everyone. That semi blocking the lane is like the regulation, it forces everyone to play by the rules.
Hi all, I called in today with the idea to sent cards to the White House reminding people of Brooksley Born and the Frontline episode, "The Warning." Here's the email I sent out. Please pass along if you could... Camille
Hello Folks,
On October 20, 2009 PBS aired a Frontline episode called "The Warning." From the Frontline site: "In the midst of the 1990's bull market, one lone regulator warned about derivatives' dangers -- and overnight became the enemy of some of the most powerful people in Washington..."
That lone regulator was Brooksley Born. She tried to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008. In trying to regulate these markets, she took on then Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, who believed that "the market" would take care of fraud, then Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, and then Assistant Treasury Secretary Larry Summers.
"We didn't truly know the dangers of the market, because it was a dark market," says Brooksley Born, the head of an obscure federal regulatory agency -- the Commodity Futures Trading Commission [CFTC]. "They were totally opposed to [regulating the multitrillion-dollar derivatives market]," Born says. "That puzzled me. What was it that was in this market that had to be hidden?"
Please take the time to watch Frontline's "The Warning" at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/ and participate in the following action!
"The Warning" starts off a little slow, but wait until you are fully introduced to the heroine, Brooksley Born.
As you will find, many of these same economic powerbrokers and/or their proteges are advising President Obama today and to date there is still NO regulation of these dark markets, as Brooksley Born called them.
First, please prepare a postcard or letter with the following information (include your name and address):
Brooksley Born
Frontline: "The Warning"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/
Then, please send the postcard or letter to:
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
ATTN: President Obama
We've posted this action in Frontline's Comments Section below the video, as well as on various talk show message boards, and Camille was on Thom Hartmann's talk show today discussing the action. He thought it was an excellent idea!
We want to send these cards and letters from all areas of the country to focus White House attention on working to enact necessary regulations. Please forward this to concerned citizens everywhere!
We've sent our cards out!
Camille, Tesa, Pansy
I just heard a news report that said that Sen. Joe Lieberman would not be the 60th Dem. vote to prevent Republicans from filibustering the health care reform bill.
They're Baaaaack!
Ex-A.I.G. Chief Is Back, Luring Talent From Rescued Firm
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/business/index.html
Catsrule,
True Story (and similar to other events in my life):
A number of years ago, I was in my car, driving home. I didn't have my radio on and was "alone with my thoughts." A question came into my mind, for no apparent reason, "What if Gene Roddenberry wasn't around anymore?" The answer came, "He has already told us everything he has to share."
I got home and heard on the news that night that Roddenberry had died --- just about the time I had those thoughts!
I don't try to explain such occurrences. I just think about them...
Since Thom is venturing into “Coast-to-Coast” territory, NASA, according to one guest on that show, is alleged to be preparing to make a Really Big Announcement, which some believe is the revelation of evidence of a past civilization on the Moon, which is supposed to be where humans originated before departing for Earth. But even this apparent feat of technological know-how doesn’t satisfy some who believe that human advancement had extraterrestrial origins; another guest on the show believes that ETs made occasional visits to Earth to observe and provide assistance in advancing human progress, giving “gifts” such as fire, the wheel and agriculture. Because they abide by a “non-interference” code, they have not shown themselves; but because humans have made such a mess of things with these gifts, they may soon be forced to intervene in human affairs in order to avert global catastrophe. Spiritualists may interpret this as the “second coming.”
George Noory never questions the theories of his guests, no matter how whacky they are, but Art Bell was made of sterner stuff. During a show featuring one of those moon walk debunkers, he probed the guest’s theories with questions that any head-scratcher would ask, and when it was apparent that the “evidence” of a hoax amounted to nothing more than photographic “anomalies,” Bell intoned that it in his opinion, he still believed that man traveled to the moon and back, which left the hapless guest to scramble and tell listeners to buy his book and make their own judgments. When Art Bell tells you your theory is BS on the air, then it is best to find another occupation.
The problem with these moon walk hoax theorists is not unlike that of your average paranormal "specialist"—they talk a good game, but when they are confronted with science, they run for the nearest hill. On the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing, Ron Reagan had on a guest who made the moon walk hoax claim. Then Ron sprung a surprise on him; his next guest was a real scientist who would debunk the hoax theories, and Ron invited the hoax claimer to stay on to debate the issue. His guest immediately took on the aspect of jelly, claiming he wasn’t “prepared” and declined to take up the challenge. Frankly what I would like to see for amusement is one or more of the dozen or so astronauts who actually walked on the moon to "debate" the issue with one of these debunkers.
Catsrule,
The germ of that idea is already in our society, if you look. All the followers of the "Star Trek" franchise know and cherish such ideals. The question is, how can that world view be expanded and enacted?
(Sci fi has frequently led advances in society, technically and intellectually.)
catsrule,
I share your vision. The problem is that the last period of enlightenment came on the heels of the Dark Ages and the plague. I fear it will take that kind of extreme shock and resulting "thinning of the herd" before a new rationalism will gain currency and spread. I suspect greed and individuality will always pose a challenge to Utopian dreams.
We need an enlightenment, a new society based on the search for knowledge in nature and the sciences, and helping each other and celebrating life, instead of the all-consuming pursuit of wealth! Take money out of the equation!
@THOM:
When will Unequal Protection go back into print?
Richard,
Pseudo intellectuals like Alex, (Ayn Rand), want to simplify everything down because that is what their little brains feel comfortable with. They are the Chauncy Gardiners and Forrest Gumps of the political world.
NO! Society is NOT a collection of individuals. A “collection of individuals” is black widow spiders in a box being shaken. There is no animus except to eat one another. HUMANS aren’t spliced together that way.
Society is an entity to itself. Without society is there is no interaction. There is no language. The very horseshit concept he is spewing all over us can not exist in a farging “collection of individuals”.
I hate the Ayn Rand pukes with a passion hotter than a gazillion white hot stars.
Ayn Rand folk are much more the:
"hOLDERS of THE fLAME of sOCIOPATHY".
DRichards,
Thank you for sharing this! Amen Arianna! I have been trying to say this for some time. You two did.
Arianna Huffington: When it comes to dealing with Wall Street, President Obama seems to have traded in his position as our economy's commander-in-chief for a different role: pundit-in-chief. He and his top advisors are suddenly very big on urging, advocating, and cajoling. During his weekly radio address, which focused on the need to get America's banks lending to small businesses, the president laid out his plan of action: "We're going to take every appropriate step to encourage them to meet those responsibilities." Encourage them? How about make them? Columnists and bloggers encourage. Presidents execute. It's in the job description. Hence: the executive branch. And the executive branch has plenty of weapons at its disposal to force banks still dependent on billions of dollars in taxpayer funds and guarantees to change behavior
Has Capitalism lost its soul?
This rhetorical question presupposes that it ever had a soul in the first place. The obvious answer is no. Capitalism is a human construct similar in ways to a machine. Like a machine it has the power to do great good or great harm depending on the care with which it is operated. To raise it to the level of a religion to be worshiped or a being with a soul is how men are lulled into allowing it to run wild and amok. When properly calibrated, adjusted, and run it has the remarkable ability to serve human need in at least two ways. First it provides a system to aid commerce between people. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, it provides a method to harness and control for good, a universal, ancient, and powerful force in our world: GREED. An analogy might be that Capitalism is a nuclear reactor and greed is the radioactive fuel. We have for some time now been withdrawing all the carbon control rods and the fissionable material is beginning to go critical. The laissez-fare capitalists, objectiveists and corporate criminals have managed to take over the controls from the rationalists and instead of running the machine responsibly for the betterment of all, they instead worship it and remove the mechanisms of regulation.
Idea for Thom: Ask your objectiveist friend from the Ayn Rand Institute what he thinks about affording corporations "personhood"? Then ask him what he feels about capital punishment? Finally, ask him what he feels about capital punishment for corporations? Lifting these stones SLOWLY might expose some interesting critters. Just a thought.