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  • FDR's letter a synopsis on today's Republo-fascist GOP   4 min 4 sec ago
    Quote LysanderSpooner:
    Quote ulTRAX:
    Quote LysanderSpooner:

    Today's GOP accepts most of the New Deal.

    ROTF... not the ideological leaders on the far right that have increasing influence over the GOP.

    But then I'm sure you applaud their efforts to decivilize rat-eat-rat capitalism.

    Name me one elected GOP representative or Senator, not named Ron Paul, who has called for the repeal of the New Deal.

    First you're conflating all the elements of the New Deal as if they are one program. 2 You're assuming politicians will always be honest about their agenda.

    But there are some GOPers who are more honest than others... such as Grover Norquist who wants to return government functions back to the early 20th Century... ie that government spending return to about 8% of GDP. I suspect most of today's GOP just are either dishonest about their real goals or wants to use government's power of taxation to benefit one special interest or another.

  • "Cops Gone Wild"   9 min 2 sec ago
    Quote Palindromedary:Sure I do, but you're just going to continue putting up cases that really don't apply to the one we are referring to.

    The entire point of case law is to establish precedence so that general legal principles can be formulated and applied to other situations that are not exactly the same since no two situations are identical otherwise legal reasoning, and therefore law, would be impossible.

    Quote Palindromedary:Police are justified in shooting and killing anyone who they judge as an imminent threat to their lives.

    Unfortunate for officers Sean Groubert charged for assault and Michael Thomas Slager charged for murder, they believed the same.

    Quote Palindromedary:And there are a lot of different judges that make decisions based upon the specific evidence at hand. And while you are trying to infer precedence is being set by your specific examples, they may not be relevant to this specific case.

    And fortunately, the judges' decisions are not random, but are designed to be based on principles of past case precedence. All laws apply to specific cases from initial citizen contact to conviction or acquittal.

  • TransPacific Partnership; or “why is Thom confused about this?”   14 min 13 sec ago

    Reply to #11: My take on Ed Shultz is that he’s great on MOST issues… EXCEPT for two big ones, where he bombs: marijuana & hemp prohibition, for one, and nuclear power. Ed seemed to think nuclear power is dandy, last time I heard him talk about it. Has Ed changed his position regarding the Keystone XL? I remember him being in favor of that too, as of a year or two ago when I last heard him. I don’t get TV, so I haven't heard much of Ed since he left radio.

    Thom’s views are much more closely aligned with my own; ditto Norman Goldman’s. Randy Rhodes (while she was still on the air) resonated with me too, as does Mike Malloy. Those are my favorites…

    I miss Randy’s rants. She rocked.

  • Fox News   27 min 22 sec ago

    Maybe they can't quit fox, it's like nicotine or caffeine. When a species adapts to noise, they avoid real music not from dislike, but because it is foreign. Breathing pollution may cause the lungs to reject fresh air because it is too rich. Truth to the ignorant could cause a siezure. Brownback will close schools rather than admit tax cuts cause revenue shortfalls. They believe their own lies, they are exceptional, just ask them.

  • Corporations outspend taxpayers in Congress...   45 min 2 sec ago

    Sunshine Susie, your post made me want to cry. I'm sorry to hear you are in pain, enduring all that hardship in your life, while having to work so hard for so little. No one deserves that. In a country this wealthy, no one should have to endure it.

    You hit a bull's eye mentioning the matter of taxation without representation. That's exactly what we're getting. As I mailed our check to the IRS two weeks ago, that thought was foremost on my mind. Taxation without representation. Yeah. We have strayed so far from the founding principles America claims to have stood for, I can't even recognize this country anymore. It's not the country I grew up in. Perhaps that country never existed... Ya think?

  • Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar Hears Complaints From Frustrated Chemtrail Victims   45 min 53 sec ago

    The tinfoil hat crowd is up in arms again!!!

  • Ted Cruz Spends Evening with Two Prominent Gay NY Businessmen   47 min 14 sec ago

    I understand that you are trying to conflate this factual story about anti-gay crusading Ted Cruz being entertained by two gay businessmen in their Brooklyn apartment (as reported in the NY Times and substantiated by participants, photopraghs and Ted Cruz himself) with lurid rumours and innuendos that have been spread about President Obama but there is absolutely no relativity between the two things. President Obama was the victim of unsubstantiated rumours while Ted Cruz is the victim only of his own hypocrisy.

    Nice try though.

  • "Cops Gone Wild"   54 min 12 sec ago

    Sure I do, but you're just going to continue putting up cases that really don't apply to the one we are referring to. Police are justified in shooting and killing anyone who they judge as an imminent threat to their lives. And there are a lot of different judges that make decisions based upon the specific evidence at hand. And while you are trying to infer precedence is being set by your specific examples, they may not be relevant to this specific case.

  • TPP   1 hour 3 min ago

    No offense intended but your response displays an ignorance of the subject matter which makes me wonder why you felt compelled to comment in the first place.

    First, to say that it's just another NAFTA so what's the big deal is outrageous. It's like saying "well, I've already got a broken arm, what's a broken back and a few broken kneecaps as well." This is not a regional trade agreement like NAFTA and CAFTA but will encompass 40% of the entire World's economy. If NAFTA was a disaster (and it was) this will be catastrophic. America's middle class will cease to exist and we'll be a nation of peons serving the wealthy elites who want this deal. Ours will be reduced to a service economy with millions of college grads competing for jobs at Walmart and Costco so that they can buy goods from Asia made by people working just for their supper. Governments will become flaccid appendages of multi-nationals.

    And what "committee" are you talking about? The agreement was to remain classified for four years after its implementation but public pressure caused to President to agree to allowing Congress and the public a review period. You apparently don't understand "fast-track." The deal is fully negotiated in secret and then when it is finalized it is presented tp Congress for an up or down vote -- no debate, no amendments.

    But in agreeing to the terms of the legislation granting him trade promotion authority [fast track], Mr. Obama has probably made the job of actually approving such a trade accord far more difficult. Trade promotion authority gives Congress the right to accept or reject a trade deal but not amend or filibuster it. But the new bill before both the Senate Finance and House Ways and Means committees this week lays out new requirements for openness and review. The president would have to notify Congress of the accord’s completion 90 days before he intends to sign it, a delay similar to past requirements. But in a new twist, the full agreement would have to be made public for 60 days before the president gives his final assent and sends it to Congress. Congress could not begin considering it for 30 days after that.

  • "Cops Gone Wild"   1 hour 4 min ago

    In other words, you have no justification for the victims deaths by police.

  • "Cops Gone Wild"   1 hour 8 min ago

    So, which one of those examples are you going to display the next time you are accosted by a cop? You may be braver, or more foolish, than I am but I will conduct myself in a manner that will not give anyone an excuse to beat or shoot me. Demonstrating utmost respect for the authority of those cops will most often elicit a response that will get you on your way or at least unharmed. While the judiciary system debates the fine points of the case over your dead body, perhaps, your survivors may think kindly of you...perhaps they may think of you as a martyr...maybe even get a little cash out of the deal. ;-}

  • TPP   1 hour 23 min ago

    you might want to check out the list of people that sit on the President's Export Council. -

    Wouldn't you expect people who are leaders in export to be taking a major role in trade deals? Trade deals are usually all about exports and imports.

  • "Cops Gone Wild"   1 hour 32 min ago

    You are wrong on a number of issues. US courts have ruled using the following legal reasoning:

    • Anaheim police officers lacked a sufficient basis to detain defendant outside a 7-Eleven based on recent robberies at other Anaheim 7-Eleven stores, the location of the store in a high crime area, and the fact that defendant has been sitting in a parked car near the street exit with the engine idling. When the officers approached defendant's car, they heard fumbling and a thud and defendant tried to avoid contact with them. The appellate court would not uphold a detention and patdown search based on such "thin and nonspecific" facts. (Perrusquia (2007) 150 Cal.App.4th 228.)
    • At midnight, officers lawfully stopped defendant's car for a taillight violation. After defendant complied with the request to step out of the car and walk backwards with his hands behind his head, the officers grabbed his hands to conduct a weapons search based on the "high-gang location." HELD: The detention and search based solely on a driver's presence in a high-crime area late at night were unlawful. (Medina (2003) 110 Cal.App.4th 171.)
    • ...if a person does not submit to a show of authority and stop when ordered to do so by a peace officer, the person is not detained. (Hodari D. (1991) 499 U.S. 621, 626.)
    • A momentary hesitation and direct eye contact with police prior to flight do not constitute submission to a show of authority. (Smith (9th Cir. 2011) 633 F.3d 889, 893.)
  • Historically some of the biggest fighters for human rights have been "billionaires"   1 hour 39 min ago
    Quote Helen Willis:

    I think history shows that it was the moral impluse of some of the British ruling class, plus milantacy from the subjugated peoples, plus Gandhi's strong voice for nonviovence that cause the breakup of the British Empire to be as bloodless as it was. It easily could have been a third world war. I, like most Americans, find Anarchists, Moslem Brotherhood, and other advocates of violence more scary than the current bosses. If you actually want to improve conditions for the working poor and you want the poor to support you, don't advocate anything that sounds violent. America's working class aren't so stupid that they don't know who's bearing the brunt of the bombs in the various wars in the Middle East right now.

    You misunderstand me. I do not advocate violence. I am, myself, a pacifist.

    I don't know how you leaped from corporate violence to Islamic violence and anarchism. My point was that if overthrow (peaceful or violent) of the present economic and political structure didn't happen after the economic collapse it must necessraily then take some very harsh conditions before the public gets up enough nerve to challenge the power structure.

    And as an aside, it's quite historically naive to suggest that the collapse of the british Empire was peaceful:

    From 1935 to 1951, Time Magazine prepared monthly newsreels of world events that in 1942 depicted video footage of British soldiers brutally attacking Indian protestors, while a commentator read, “The Indian people have never ceased to defy British authority, whether enforced by Soldier’s bayonets or Policemen’s batons

    Footage - India - 1920-1939 - 1932 January, #02

  • Conscious apocalypse: outliving our ruling institutions   1 hour 43 min ago

    one last quick blip, The C-PTSD, yes, I think Jenesen's onto something, and the bottom line: C-PTSD is in many ways the antithesis of insanity, C or even linear PTSD is the maintenence OF sanity, and if one can aknowledge dissociation, awareness (and it's sinister twin,, the "flashback" for what it is) one can come through, recognize 'survival", RESILLIANCE, and go forward?

    I am a (classic) movie junkie (as much as I love reading, movies well acted/directed w/all the NON VERBAL communication, add so much).............I think of "The Deer Hunter" is it that DeNiro's character comes away seemingly unscathed while the other 2 (Walken's and the other, I forget his name) don't? My theory is that the Walken and other already had C-PTSD from their shtty upbringings, hinted at, also some other's had (poverty, crappy parenting, education,environment, rape or close to it) , including Streep's character................the war experience just brought on full blown PTSD, was just the pinacle, obvious, the probs were already there.............

    It crushes me, un derstanding what I do now about how the mind works to defend itsself from INsanity, that as children, even infants, it defaults to "dissociation" or worse, MPD, for survival, I see the wars in Syria, Libya, all over Africa, rapes, Furguson USA- "projects", stop and frisk, middle-class joblessness, hells bells 20,000 dollar school loans for the "lucky ones", it all equals FEAR FEAR FEAR- how this literally "hardwires" fragile children's/young adult's mind's to dissociate, numb, escape, for survival and how much of this kind of hardwiring is happening every single day. The numbers must be staggering. It is beyond comprehension.

    On top of climate change, we must look to the climate change of our species' minds, trying to survive as sane individuals/communities in an insane world. My God, the horror, so many many many damaged souls. I cannot grasp. I am so sorry. And crap, it is impossible to "unknow".

    my heart breaks.

    aww geeez, sorry for the downer y'all, poopy on awareness, you can't "unaware"...poopy on consciousness, too.

    sigh, everyone, I wish the best but knowing the worst.........grief? acceptance?............dissociation so tempting, but not allowed anymore (for myslf, practicing "mindfullness, painfull as it can be), and what to do next?

    where do we go once we've achieved awareness/consciousness/acceptance?

    beyond tears? my eyes are dry now, all cried out.

    love to all, mlk

  • TPP   1 hour 51 min ago

    Too many issues all at one time.

    First, TPP can do nothing to American workers that NAFTA and CAFTA have not already done. Unless Congress is willing to repeal those deals, America needs to come to grips with the off-shoring of low-skills jobs as a permanent fact. America will have to find new ways to operate in a global market. The jobs just aren't coming back, and TPP will not make that any worse.

    Second, as I have read, documents that are produced during such high stakes negotiations are commonly kept confidential so as not to tip the parties' hands and weaken their positions. Do you really believe that a finalized agreement will remain classified once it goes to Committee? Perhaps you are right, but I doubt it. If that is the case, I will readily concede your argument. At the very least, it cannot remain secret once it goes to the floor of the Senate.

  • The American Genocide   2 hours 6 min ago

    Genocide has been converted into treating victims created, rather than the expense and loss of killing them. Treatments profit while potential cures or prevention or death leaves no profit. Dumbing down obedient endocannabinoid deficient workers droning out the profits until they get sick and make more profits. No time or courage to speak out. Follow the yellow brick road. We ship out seniors to warehouses because caregivers cost too much and now demand overtime, backed by the Union. Same as Teamsters building helicopters to spray poison on Colombian kids. Prison cage rental profits more than minimum wages flipping burgers. More tax back too. What's the incentive?

    Any illness is treated by pharmaceuticals and side effect fat pharma drugs. Not sold if it is prevented or treated with a weed growing in the herb garden. Wars since Korea have been bypassing Congress calling them Police Actions. Same with Iraq after Junior declared missuncomplished. Profits selling tank fuel or bullets or treating any of the Neurological illness' and cancers springing up since the chemicalization of farms and food.

    So outside of advocates and agitators, genocide has been modified into a herding operation. Shepherds driving the flocks of sheep into a belief that they are superior and reiterated by the propaganda media. Who's to argue? They have managed to keep the world's most versatile and beneficial plant from the people and replaced it with fossil fools plastic, crude oil, white powders and coal. Frankenfud and Fracking water reserves so we buy more bottles. We have become products.

    My country 'tis of thy people you're dying.
    Hear how the bargain was made for the West: With her shivering children in zero degrees, Blankets for your land, so the treaties attest, Oh well, blankets for land is a bargain indeed, And the blankets were those Uncle Sam had collected From smallpox-diseased dying soldiers that day. And the tribes were wiped out and the history books censored, A hundred years of your statesmen have felt it's better this way.

    The Drug War: The Primary Reason There Are '1.5 Million Missing Black Men'

    The Racist Ganjawar
    Re-Inventing Jim Crow, Targeting The Counter Culture

    In 1948 the United Nations, as well as the International Criminal Court (ICC), defined the crime of genocide as: any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group

    (a) Killing members of the group;

    The Murder of Peter McWilliams

    Rainbow Farm Massacre

    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    US gulags: 'Large-scale preventive detention'

    Shame on the Drug Worrier Profiteers

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74
    The DEA shut down all cannabis/tumor research.
    Gerald Ford ended all public research.

    List of brain tumor patients who died due to DEA gossip.

    Is The DEA Legalizing THC?
    So, in other words, if a pharmaceutical product contains THC extracted from the marijuana plant, that would be a legal commodity. But if you or I possessed THC extracted from the marijuana plant, that would remain an illegal commodity.

    Why Do You Think They Call it DOPE?

    The past it just crumbled, the future just threatens; Our life blood shut up in your chemical tanks. And now here you come, bill of sale in your hands And surprise in your eyes that we're lacking in thanks For the blessings of civilization you've brought us, The lessons you've taught us, the ruin you've wrought us -- Oh see what our trust in America's brought us.

    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    Are marijuana regulations weeding out family farmers?

    Pro Life? Not even anti abortionists
    Wall street's Spontaneous Abortionists

    Cllinton relegalized Thalidomide as appetite stimulant v Cannabis

    Now that the longhouses breed superstition. You force us to send our toddlers away
    To your schools where they're taught to despise their traditions. You forbid them their languages, then further say. That American history really began. When Columbus set sail out of Europe, then stress. That the nation of leeches that conquered this land. Are the biggest and bravest and boldest and best.

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    Medical Marijuana Mom's Son Seized After He Talks About Pot's Benefits
    The reality is this happens all the time in our country and it is a lesser-known atrocity of the drug war. Due to mandatory reporting requirements, the staff at the school may have been under a duty to involve Child Protective Services if Banda’s son admitted marijuana was in his home. This type of blanket approach is rarely in the immediate best interests of the child and reflects the immense amount of stigma associated with illicit drug use.

    Medical Marijuana Patients Struggle to Access Pot Under Federal Rules

    New York Nine Year Old Girl With Dravet Syndrome Dies Without Medical Marijuana

    Collaterally Damaged Kids


    Nazism or War on some Plant Users?

    SCAPEGOATING – Blaming social problems on a cultural, racial, or behaviorial group. PREJUDICE – Selling the public on the idea that all members of the targeted group are ‘bad’ people. LIES – ‘Facts’, which cannot be verified, and pseudo scientific studies are used as propaganda against the targeted group. History is rewritten. NO PUBLIC DEBATE – “These people have no right to have their viewpoiunt aired.” and ” Anyone who disagrees or questions us must be one of them!” DEHUMANIZATION – Characterizing all members of a targeted group as subhuman and typically capable of monstrous deeds and/or crimes. PROTECT OUR CHILDREN – “They corrupt, seduce and or destroy our children.” CIVIL LIBERTIES SACRIFICED – “We must give up some of our freedoms, liberties, and rights in order to combat this menace to society.” LEGAL DESCRIMINATION – Laws criminalize members of targeted group and they may be denied jobs, the right to own property and/or be restricted as to where they may live or go. INFORMERS – Citizens are urged to ‘turn in’ friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members. SECRET POLICE – Non-uniformed police squads set up to wage war on targeted groups utilizing deception, infiltration, espionage and entrapment. CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY – Property and assets are seized from people who are members of targeted group. Property may be divided between the informer and the state. REMOVAL FROM SOCIETY – Prisons, rehabilitation camps, ‘hospitals’, executions and genocide… “Kill Them All” “Zero Tolerance”

  • 40 Years Of Women's Lib For This?   2 hours 6 min ago
    Quote douglaslee:

    the-wobblies has some interviews of women that were young girls going to work at unorganized plants. They were innocent, they were young, they were GIRLS, so no threat at all. The girls organized the plant, they were AGITATORS, or Rebels, were they early versions of Zenzoe? This was filmed in '79 with members then 70, 80, or 90 years old. They are/were precious and worth listening to. Silk plants, were just one of the many textile abuse mills. One strike failed, they wanted an 8 hour work day. No workplace safety, few child labor laws, they were libertarian utopias. Employees died, and until many died like the triangle shirt factory, nothing was changed. Not like today with mining safety that was enacted years before the mine disaster that killed 29 (?) and has the owner/manager brought up for criminal charges for violating all the laws and regulations meant to prevent the disaster his mine caused the miners to suffer.

    The girls were allowed into the Wobblies, ethnics were allowed, everyone that worked an industrial job was allowed. Mother Jones is in the film, so is Eugene Debbs. Alright this is more than the 40 years ago per OP title, but in 79 it was 40 years times 2. The gals still know the songs and chants they sang to inspire and organize. This was before radio, maybe wax cylinders were out or soon would be.

    The Wobblies are folk heroes to me, if you couldn't tell.

    That documentary was terrific, douglaslee. The section on the loggers reminded me of my father, again, who worked as a lumberjack and a miner (which is where he met his best friend, R.R.'s father), while not hopping freight trains in search of adventure, sometime before he joined the Army as an officer to fight in WWII. I doubt he had joined a union, however, at least I never heard mention of it. Whatever he was as a young man, he eventually reverted to the conservatism of his father's family, as it was before the depression, when they were a wealthy family. I don't remember his being anything but disdainful of labor unions as I was growing up; he always identified with the boss and certainly managed to be the boss, whatever the situation. Obviously, he and I always butted heads, and I'm sure he would have agreed with any designation of myself as an "agitator." So thanks for the compliment! I definitely aspire to the role. ;-)

  • Historically some of the biggest fighters for human rights have been "billionaires"   2 hours 18 min ago

    Enough with your fantasy libertarian economic theory and revisionist history. You are an historical buffoon. Please educate yourself. Here are some helpful primers:

    Begin here: How the Fiat System Works (for dummies)

    Then advance to here: Gold Standard (Wikipedia)

    Then perhaps you will be able to follow this paper by Ben Bernanke and Harold James:

    The Gold Standard, Deflation, and Financial Crisis in the Great Depression: An International Comparison

  • Conscious apocalypse: outliving our ruling institutions   2 hours 28 min ago

    hiya .ren and all:

    I'm, so sorry, pressed for time now, but read quickly. I may get the chance to respond tomorrow, but ty all for your time, effort of thoght. These are deepl posts, with kindness and empathy. I've been ussing a loaner computer and the owner has returned, and needs it back, so I'll be machine-less at the moment, shortly. (my chamine imploded, meh, it was old and not worth fixing....been budgeting for a new one)

    TY especially .ren (you've seen the movies I mentioned, and I "grokked", yes lol) for all your thoughtfiull effort, and Kennymac., I agree, the # of people "getting it" and "coming out" seems to be happening. I hear this message repeatedly from many sources. I so hope it's true: awareness, consciousness, is happening.

    It is the weekend, but Nepal. Oh sht, Nepal..............oh prayers to if- there- is- a -god-force for yet another devasted part of the world. and not to sound callus, besides the people/animals lost and suffering, the infrastructure of the intimacy of the Temples destroyed. when history is lost, the future is as well?

    I love you all, best wishes, I will read when I can via the Library or wherever 'till I get a new chamine and learn how to work it.

    peace, love, and extra meditatations/prayers for Nepal, and the Meditterainian refugees, Chile, and evrywhere to everyone, ..................ahmen, Namaste, A salamaleikum, etc, etc, ..................just please world, a break? a re-set? some brief period of calm??????????????

    maybe someone can corner "Mr,Brink" in an apple tree for even a day, like in another fave movie, "On Borrowed Time"..................................: ) mlk

    prayers for Nepal, and to all of you, I embrace your love, accepstance, all of it. Thank you so very much

    more later, ...................mlk

  • Fox News   3 hours 33 min ago

    Dex, Chicagomatt, Gumball, Spooner and all Fox News listeners you have gone silent. No comment on why you are Fox news followers?

  • Historically some of the biggest fighters for human rights have been "billionaires"   3 hours 43 min ago
    Quote polycarp2:

    Carnegie founded many libraries...and hired thugs to prevent a penney an hour raise at his steel plants.

    Some of the wealthy realize it's in their own best interest to provide at least a minimum of equitability to save their own necks. FDR saved U.S. capitalism and his own neck when he was advised he had a year before a revolt took place that the army wouldn't be able to put down. He adopted much of the Socialist Party platform of the time.

    The "New Deal" was his response to an impending revolution.

    Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

    Since capitalism didn't cause the Depression, it is disingenuous to say that Roosevelt's motives were to save capitalism. Besides, how do you save something by enacting it's opposite. I think W said something about violating free market principles in order to save the free market.

    FDR gave his commercial banking buddies the privilege to create money out of thin air. So much for being a "traitor to his class".

  • Should surveillance under the Patriot Act be extended?   4 hours 38 min ago

    The only reason I say yes is because who will be responsile for tracking down "Lone Wolves"? Lone Wolves are individuals residing here within the United Sates that are usually influenced by muslim extremists to take it upon themselves to threaten the safety and security of the American people.

  • TransPacific Partnership; or “why is Thom confused about this?”   5 hours 14 min ago

    " Obama sets up the TPP to boost the profits of the big Corporations, and Hilary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren run AGAINST it while at the same time benefiting from the brief surge of giddy optimism. "

    William, Elizabeth Warren has said many times that she will not be getting into the Presidential race. She feels her best work remains in the Senate.

    Obama isn't setting up the corporations to do well for the next Democratic president to take office. There's simply no logic to that statement! You can believe that theory if you want. There doesn't seem to be anyone else that does.

    What Obama is doing is setting up his and his family's future, just by his being a corporate sell-out with the TPP. There's no other explanation that works.

  • "Cops Gone Wild"   5 hours 25 min ago
    Quote Antifascist:... local police departments are becoming more and more militarized. Part of this militarization process has been the hiring of military veterans. The trend has been increasing and as more veterans move into department administrations, they hire even more veterans since that perceive them as more qualified. There are numerous programs that give veterans special priority for hiring as police officers along with grants for the hiring department itself. Statistics on the percentage of officers that are veterans is known, but is not made public so this is completely hidden from scrutiny.
    I agree with you on that! But I wonder if police are becoming more militarized out of necessity. One of the thing that made them realize they were out-gunned was when those guys, a bunch of years ago, somewhere in the LA area decided to rob a bank and they had military style weapons and even thick, heavy suits of lead that protected them from being critically wounded. That wasn't the last time the police were far outgunned. When the criminals have military weapons and the police don't the police lose their lives and the criminals don't.
    Quote Antifascist:There are a number of cases in which officers have been charged and convicted of murder, assault if the victim survives. Sean Groubert for example shoot Levar Jones as he reached to show his license as ordered by the officer.
    Again, I totally agree with you on that...there are cases where the police commit murder, deal in drugs, have mental problems (perhaps). But, I believe that the number of good cops and the number of good things they all do far, far outnumber the very few examples of bad things that a few "bad apples" do. I agree that we should prosecute the bad apples for the crimes they commit. I hope they are removed from being able to harm people ever again. But, some of the examples I've seen so Michael Brown and others, who were perps doing bad things that were not being unduly harassed by the police...who are being held up by the communities as being "saints", totally without fault, who were murdered by police, is just plain nonsense.

    Quote Antifascist:The video does show the stopping of Stephens and there was no probable cause
    Yes, the video shows that the police went after Stephens but as for whether there was probable cause is up to the courts to decide. If you take away someone's suspect demeanor, outwardly signs of guilt or of something to hide, as in trying to evade the police, then nowhere will any policeman be able to do his job. We may as well not even have police. Let the criminals rule us all.

    The police do have probable cause if they see signs of culpability. Acting unduly nervous during a police traffic stop, how the persons in the car conduct themselves, whether or not there are keys in the ignition (could be hot wired), things they see on the back seat, not being able to produce a driver's license or registration or insurance card, intoxicating odors coming from inside the vehicle. Any or combination of these things, and more, constitute probable cause...for a search anyway...and an escalation of suspicion of an immediate dangerous situation may duly result in a reaction by the cop. Any one of those occupants could pull out a gun and shoot the cop dead.

    Now, compare that to a normal routine traffic stop where a cop gets none of those warning signals which is what happens most of the time. There would not be probable cause to search a vehicle if none of those signs were apparent to the cop.

    The cops want you to stay in your car for several is for your could get hit by a passing car. Another is so that if you are a bad guy, opening that door might be either a prelude to your trying to flee or your trying to get into a more favorable position to either punch out the cop or to shoot him. The cop has the advantage by approaching the driver or occupants from behind and cautiously looking for any signs that someone might try to turn around and shoot him. But if you get out of the vehicle, you are putting the cop at a bigger risk of being shot...if that's what you try to do. You have better aim when you face him. So, they don't want you to get out of the vehicle.

    Stephens rode his bike across the lawn and to in front of the parked cars and then hopped off his bike and let it fall on the pavement then went in between those cars where the officer could not see what he was doing, at first, which alerted the officer that he was not in a favorable position to see right off just what Stephens was doing until Stephens reached into his pocket or waist band. If Stephens had had a gun, he may have been in a more favorable position to shoot the cop as the cop got to the opening between the cars.

    If Stephens was not trying to evade the police, then why did he not just stop where he was and wait for the police to approach him? I'd say the officer had plenty of probable cause to treat Stephens exactly the way he was treated. Stephens acted guilty and probably was guilty of whatever the cops suspected he was guilty of. Remember, Stephens had a perp sheet on him. He had a history of crime. And the video did not show, and you have no way of knowing what those cops knew about Stephens.

    These guys just keep digging themselves deeper and deeper in trouble with the law. I side with the cops on most of the cases where they are dealing with criminals. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt any day over a criminal with a record.

    Quote Antifascist:Stephens had no weapon. He had committed no crime. There was not good reason to stop him, much less to shoot him.
    It turned out that it was true that he had no weapon. But how was the cop supposed to let someone who was trying to evade them, acting guilty, then putting himself in a blind spot between the cars, and then make a quick reach for possibly a weapon in his pocket, get the drop on him?

    Stephens acted like a criminal when he acted the way he did. Most law abiding people would not have acted like that. They would have stayed in the same spot while the police approached them. Stephens tried to evade them. He was not acting like someone who was a law-abiding citizen.

    And yes, again, police do commit murder like that cop in N. Carolina that shot that guy in the back as he was running away. That was murder! I'd say that Wayne A. Jones was murdered by police. You should watch that youtube would probably piss you off as much as it did me. What I saw was the police had him pinned down on the sidewalk, then they all (like 4 or 5 of them) stood up at the same time, pointed their guns at him and repeatedly shot him while he just laid there. It looked like a gangland assassination. So, I agree that sometimes some police commit murder and I wish they would be hanged by the neck until dead for it. But some of the cases that are highlighted by the anti-cop community are just not going to win them any large numbers of converts because the perps that get shot, like MB, were not typical law-abiding citizens...they were dangerous and in the case of MB was charging at Wilson and not running away. Despite the fact that they initially came off repeatedly showing that photo of the young boy MB with the headphones, the MB that attacked Wilson was not that little boy...he was huge and powerful with a very bad attitude that just robbed a store and punched out Wilson as Wilson was pinned in his vehicle.

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