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  • Economists Demand Universal Health Care   12 hours 12 min ago

    But Thom, back in 2009 Obama said “No we can’t”. He ignored Medicare while insisting that universal healthcare would necessitate us starting all over from scratch. It was one of the most pathetic speeches I’ve heard Obama make in the six years of his presidency.

  • ANOTHER Laughable Libertarian Contradiction   12 hours 15 min ago
    Quote Mauiman2:
    Quote lifesize:

    libertarians are children who want all the rights with none of the responsibilities.

    And liberals are not guilty of this?

    I think he means the ideal Libertarian wants all the rights with none of the responsibilities.

    The ideal Liberal accepts the idea of some amount of taxation.

  • Economists Demand Universal Health Care   12 hours 22 min ago

    Reply to post #7: chicagotim says “At some point you simply can't tax the 1% any more, and have to dip well in to the middle class to pay the freight.” Are you serious?! Do you believe the 1% are taxed too much - Really?!

    Talk about conundrums… I never hear you conservatives say something like “I don't see how we can rationally pay for something like health insurance when health insurance companies contribute nothing to health care”…. or how about “I don't see how we can rationally pay twice as much for healthcare per capita as any other country with a national healthcare system that covers everyone, when our system can’t even provide adequate healthcare for all Americans”. Or how about “I don't see how we can rationally pay trillions of dollars on wars against countries that were never a threat to us” or “I don't see how we can rationally pay all this tax money into oil subsidies when fossil fuel companies are making record profits”. You guys are so full of it.

  • Questions for supporters of Minimum Wage laws   12 hours 31 min ago
    Quote ulTRAX:

    I'm still waiting for LS to explain how in a rat-eat-rat competitive market... where greedy, sociopathic business owners have a competitive edge... and others who treat employees well are at a disadvantage... that the system as a whole would raise wages unless forced to. This pressure doesn't have to come from government or unions... but just a labor shortage in key positions. But that hardly proves that business owners in a rat-eat-rat world are all somehow trying to share their wealth with workers. It might happen but the incentives for generosity in a rat-eat-rat market are hard to find... but the incentives to grind workers down abound.

    Putting aside your loaded language, let's say that you are right. What is stopping an employer from doing the wrong thing? Competition. In a competitive free market economy, men's vices are turned into virtues. The incentives are to pay workers what they're worth or another employer will snatch them up. [This is why the wage gap is a myth]. Green beats sociopathy and bigotry.

    Quote ulTRAX:

    So why is LS touting the wages of workers starting 150 years ago and ignoring what's happening today?

    To demonstrate that wages go up because of productivity, not because of unions or pro-union legislation.

  • Questions for supporters of Minimum Wage laws   12 hours 36 min ago
    Quote ulTRAX:

    LSpooner 4) What percent of the work force earns MW? What percent of head of households earn minimum wage?

    4) What percent of the work force earns MW? What percent of head of households earn minimum wage?

    5) How long does a person typically earn minimum wage?

    RED HERRING ALERT!!

    The REAL number affected is all those who fall BETWEEN the current MW... and the 1968 inflation adjusted MW.

    Employers aren't responsible for devalueing (sp?) the dollar. The government is. Did you also adjust all other prices for inflation, or just the one that supports your point?

  • Why Thom should not be spending an hour tallking about pot   12 hours 48 min ago

    A bigot is a bigot and is still a bigot. Do you ever back up your silly gossip farthead?

    The odor of Ganja disapates and no one is advocating public use outside of designated areas or places where a choice can be made. Unlike the choice of trucks and buses spewing fossil fool fumes or a paper mill stinking up the counties. Meat packing plants or just dairy farms all have odors that are a totally moot point and diversion. Drive through Gilroy garlic fields sometime. No where is it legal to toke in public.

    Again with the bigotry trying to blame Ganja for so called lazy kids? The typical racist a motivation again. Now legally where ID's are required to enter is somehow easier for kids than on the streets where I'm sure the local dealer will make sure they don't get it? As it is in most places. Buying specific strains, cleaned and potency labeled is somehow worse than getting what you get on the streets? The only motivation for cops is forfeitures and confiscating cash. Plus filling for profit private prisons for Kochroaches. Fat Pharma has patents but still worries about the competition. You're disgusting actually. Continuing to degrade and demonize people for a safer choice.

    Have you ever visited America? Or ever known a real live teenager? They all lie around, play video games and watch tv. Are you saying they are all stoned or just exaggerating as bigots have a habit of doing?

    Since when have discussions become advocating or promoting? Even if it is a safer product. Since the other side of the conversation the media neglected 40 years maybe? Don't like your reefer madness doubted with facts and common sense. It isn't advocating something to discuss its legality. If people are paranoid over hearing a discussion as mentioned, turn the fucking channel goofy.

    You prefer censorship and racist reefer madness over truth and that is pretty typical and rapidly changing. People are tired of prohibitionists gossip and fear when most of them collect paychecks only as long as prohibition exists. Unamerican as it gets drug worrier.

    DC Police Chief: Marijuana Arrests “Make People Hate Us,”
    Users Just Want To Relax

    Marijuana smokers are not going to attack and kill a cop

    Carson City Sheriff Kenneth Furlong said meth and heroin aren’t the problems, it’s marijuana makes rabbits violent.

    If we compare Lanier’s comments to those of Carson City Sheriff Kenneth Furlong, we can see just how divided, and ignorant, law enforcement officials have become over cannabis.

    Last week, Sheriff Furlong got the attention of the Free Thought Project after he said meth and heroin aren’t the problems, it’s marijuana that makes people violent.

    Perhaps Furlong should take some lessons from Lanier and quit kidnapping, caging, and killing people over a plant.

    Someone woke up the wingnuts…

    Pat Robertson: Drinkers And Pot Smokers Are 'Enslaved To Vegetables'

    Now we know why…

    "They've outlawed the number one vegetable on the planet."
    - Timothy Leary.

    The new crack baby is potent pot. Not that the old crack baby was even close to reality. This one seems more related to an "Onion" story.

    Fox News doctor’s disgusting marijuana theory:
    Smoking it leads to “crack babies” via @Salon

    Alert! Drug Worriers Have Escaped!

    Not forgetting the DEA warns of stoned rabbits if Utah passes medical marijuana

    The sound DEA Séance is freaking out over stoner rabbits walking up to strangers with no fear. They don't eat illegal cannabis, only if its legal. Such concern they have a special season just for rabbits.

  • A Minimum Wage IS Free Market   12 hours 52 min ago
    Quote Bayhuntr:

    The cost of labor has nothing to do with any action of the employee. Libertarians who say "why not just set the minimum wage at $100 per hour then!" Why? Because it cost $2000/month to maintain the machine, not more; The same with people!

    Value is how much return you get from an employee (or the machine). If it's more than the cost of labor that's called profit.

    Walmart, McDonald's, etc, do not cover the cost of their labor, the tax payer is supplementing them, a minimum wage would stop that.

    Business gets numerous freebies from government and this should be seen as backdoor subsidies to increase prosperity for all. When business fails to give something back to workers, government must create and enforce minimum standards such as the MW.

    But I fail to see where either these backdoor subsidies OR the MW are free market.

    Your post makes no sense. Business tends to be self-contained... with their own bottom lines. And while they MAY care about whether their workers get by... chances are they don't give a shit unless forced to. It's in the nature of a competitive rat-eat-rat system.

  • Your Thoughts on Watching Republican Sycophants Host Netanyahu?   12 hours 52 min ago

    Netanyahu is a goddam butcher. The thought of him having the floor in Congress makes me want to puke.

  • Economists Demand Universal Health Care   12 hours 53 min ago

    Cite sources, chicagotim, it's too easy to bullshit that way. It's an old Fox News trick, "Some people say ... ".

    Or, read the article you're responding to and you'll see your comment is not relevant - if not largely false..

  • A Minimum Wage IS Free Market   13 hours 3 min ago
    Quote gumball:Do you agree with the idea that if the MW was set too high it would lead to job losses? If so, does it not follow that there will be more people on assistance as a result?
    RED HERRING ALERT... if the MW had merely kept it's 1968 value... giving workers now about $7300+ more a year.... and remember THIS WOULD NOT BE A RAISE... it'd be the same value as in 1968.... that workers would NOT NEED AS MUCH ASSISTANCE?

  • A Minimum Wage IS Free Market   13 hours 5 min ago
    Quote gumball:
    Quote Bush_Wacker:

    Why punish a 19 year old for making solid choices.

    My point is there will be fewer jobs available for 19 year olds to make the solid choices. Who is punishing who here? If I was paying $15 an hour for a fast food worker I would hire someone with more life experience.

    RED HERRING ALERT.... Obama's proposal wasn't for a $15 MW. It doesn't even raise the MW to the 1968 value.

  • A Minimum Wage IS Free Market   13 hours 7 min ago
    Quote Mauiman2:

    For all you who think you can raise the minimum wage and not kill some jobs, read this to see what is happening already in Seattle. And their $15 an hour minimum wage is just phased in, and already the jobs are disappearing. And this article is in the left leaning Seattle TImes.

    http://viral.buzz/seattles-15-minimum-wage-crash-for-many-their-new-wage...

    And yet in 1968 the MW was worth over $7300 more in today's dollars than it's worth today. I found no evidence that it caused unemployment then. So what's different now?

    It's that by refusing to index the MW to inflation... employers got addicted to an ever depreciating MW. It was a freebie. They were paying LESS to employees every year the MW didn't rise. Without pressure from the government they didn't have to make changes and they got lazy. So with the MW about 40% LESS than it's 1968 value WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

    Let me guess... employers STILL aren't able to suck away enough from MW workers so we have to let the MW depreciate even more?

    Is that your argument Spanky?

  • Would You Like Some Crippling Debt with that Degree?   13 hours 11 min ago

    Hey ChicagoMatt, I forgot the name of the last thread we were arguing on so I couldn't find it for a couple of days.. Then I remembered and realized I was looking right at it on the message board list the whole time.

    Anyway, we got some replies to your last posts on it, http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2015/01/america-failure-more-half-us-s...

  • Cops Don't Only Shoot Blacks   13 hours 14 min ago

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  • Would You Like Some Crippling Debt with that Degree?   13 hours 25 min ago

    Obama an d the Democrats have numerous times tried to ease the pronlem, e.g., preventing SL interest rates from doubling like Republicans were ready have happen - to give the banksters what they were salivating over.

  • The Principles of Democracy   13 hours 44 min ago
    Quote Bush_Wacker:

    It's not about minority rule, it's about equality. If we lived in a majority rules democracy then there would still be white only water fountains.

    Hardly. Not all whites were bigoted racists who demanded the government enforce Jim Crow segregation.

    Majorities can't always be trusted... but that doesn't mean we should permit minorities to either have the power to rule... or for ultra tiny minorities to obstruct sensible legislation. We need a system of majority rule with sensible protections for legitimate minority rights... and by minority I mean of all sorts... racial, regional, religious, even the rich... etc.

  • Your Thoughts on Watching Republican Sycophants Host Netanyahu?   13 hours 57 min ago

    He said himself that Israel doesn't need the U.S.

    So there you go.

    We should stay out of it.

  • Fathers Contribute More To Children Than Mothers   14 hours 1 min ago

    We share more of the genes but that doesn't me that we are more like our fathers. I have many of the skills of my father and many of the facial traits of my father but I am way more like my mother than I am like him.

  • Your Thoughts on Watching Republican Sycophants Host Netanyahu?   14 hours 4 min ago

    No body wants Iran to get bombs. However, Israel and netenyahoo who continually brakes international laws should not give our Congress orders to go to war....This is shameful for our politicians for campaign money sell themselves....disgusting

  • Questions for supporters of Minimum Wage laws   14 hours 17 min ago
    Quote Dexterous:All good questions that will stop the MW argument in it's tracks.
    ROTF.

    We're all waiting, though hardly expecting, your devestating rebuttals.

  • Questions for supporters of Minimum Wage laws   14 hours 21 min ago

    I'm still waiting for LS to explain how in a rat-eat-rat competitive market... where greedy, sociopathic business owners have a competitive edge... and others who treat employees well are at a disadvantage... that the system as a whole would raise wages unless forced to. This pressure doesn't have to come from government or unions... but just a labor shortage in key positions. But that hardly proves that business owners in a rat-eat-rat world are all somehow trying to share their wealth with workers. It might happen but the incentives for generosity in a rat-eat-rat market are hard to find... but the incentives to grind workers down abound.

    So why is LS touting the wages of workers starting 150 years ago and ignoring what's happening today?

  • Why Did Today's Libertarians Go Astray? Who Pulls Their Strings?   14 hours 33 min ago
    Quote al3:I would say it has something to do with this:

    From Thomas Frank’s The Wrecking Crew

    "The reason we have so many well-funded libertarians in America these days is not because libertarianism has acquired an enormous grassroots following, but because it appeals to those who are able to fund ideas.

    Like social Darwinism and Christian Science before it, libertarianism flatters the successful and rationalizes their core beliefs about the world. They warm to the libertarian idea that taxation is theft because they themselves don’t like to pay taxes. They fancy the libertarian notion that regulation is communist because they themselves find regulation intrusive and annoying. ”

    I won't discount that genius, inventiveness, skills, or talent play a part in someone's success in the market. But in our system to translate the above into success in the market usually requires freebies from government such as free intellectual property monopolies and free limited liability protections for corporations. The rich delude themselves that they made their money completely on their own... and right wing myths are built on this premise we therefore owe everything to the rich. So it comes as no surprise that today's libertarianism is repackaged Social Darwinism... though it needs a happy face which we see in LS's hollow claims that OF COURSE charity will take care of all social needs if someone falls on hard times.

    The bigger problem here is that there's no real pushback from the left to expose this bullshit.

  • So why aren't Democrats boycotting Netanyahu's speech?   14 hours 39 min ago

    These guys and gals at netenyahoo speech would probably get $1000 per clap to spend on their reelection campaign...so disgusting.

  • The Principles of Democracy   14 hours 39 min ago

    It's not about minority rule, it's about equality. If we lived in a majority rules democracy then there would still be white only water fountains. A majority ruled country would be about as successful as a libertarian ruled country. As I said before there are times when the system works as intended and there are times when it backfires. I haven't heard any real solutions to the problem either.

    A very short but informative read pertaining to why there must be limits to majority rule.

    http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

  • Economists Demand Universal Health Care   14 hours 57 min ago

    The descriptions of Medicare parts B and D have "with pays" instead of "which pays".

    It's nice to have the parts laid out like that. I don't remember Thom ever doing that on the air, but I have missed a lot of shows.

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