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  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   11 hours 50 min ago

    Zen-furthest thing from it-Zoe,

    Oh dear oh dear. I forgot that the Zenzoe"persona" has the expressed and personal advantage having of Louise Hartmann's personal blessing, so your word is God within these pages.

    I forgot that this is a biassed forum, and you've had Mrs.Hartmann's personal support (since at least the 2011 reversal in the banning of you), so I assume, and might others, that she and her husband, Thom Hartmann, agree with your opinions.

    I've done my best to push back against the bigotry, ignorance, xenophobia of Islam, and other peoples, which you've expressed on this and other threads.

    If Mr and Mrs Hartmann want to support your hate speech, deception, conflation, oppression, and personal attacks that you've launched towards myself and others who dare to disagree with you, any further, that is their choice.

    It is disgraceful.

    See also my blog- The Thom Hartmann Community is a Libertarian Michelle Kovalik


  • Why the House of Representatives Doesn’t Represent Americans   11 hours 55 min ago
    Quote Mathboy:The comparison in the fourth-to-last paragraph doesn't seem instructive, since it seems to show government resistance to doing what the "elites" want (if 80% of elites want something, it has only a 45% chance of getting enacted). I'd like to see a comparison of how likely policies are to get enacted with a certain level of elite support vs. the same level of popular support, and what happens when elite support and popular support are at odds vs. when they are in accord.

    Mathboy ~ Well said! You took the words right out of my mouth.

  • Why the House of Representatives Doesn’t Represent Americans   11 hours 58 min ago

    Now the progressive change institute should ask the same questions including how much their taxes are going to go up to pay for all of it and see if they get the same result. I am in favour of free beer for all if I don't have to pay for it as well.

  • Were Conservative Predictions About Obamacare Correct?   11 hours 59 min ago
    Quote drbjmn:
    Quote stwo:

    most folks dont realize that federal law required insurers to cover pre-existing conditions if you were moving from one insurance company to another- pre-existing conditions could only be refused if one was going from uninsured to insured.

    Can you prove that? I don't have first-hand knowledge. But i have heard, even from callers to the show, that people couldn't change to a better job, because they would lose their insurance.

    The HIPAA ban against exclusions was rather limited. If one had ANY medical treatment... even just advice, for a pre-existing condition in the 6 months before starting a new plan that condition could excluded from coverage with the new insurer.

  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   11 hours 59 min ago

    When Muslims stop beheading people for not converting on the spot...when they stop mutilating little girls (sewing them up to keep them chaste till they are married at 13 years of age to some old fart (after all, Muhammad, the so-called prophet, married one of that age......or was it younger?... (I seemed to have misplaced my Quran) ... to add to his collection of other wives? )...or when they stop stoning young women who had been raped or committed adultery....

    When Christians stop burning people to the stake for not believing the way they do (oh, right like they stopped doing that centuries ago....but would do it again if they could)...but still do similarly disgusting having prayer sessions right before they go out and slaughter innocent women and children in the countries they illegally invaded and occupied.....and idiots like Lt. General Boykin... the proselytizing Christian who would kill Muslims for Jesus....

    And when Jews stop slaughtering innocent women and children with their internationally banned weapons like White Phosphorus bombs in Gaza....and acting like they have the sole right to own, occupy and govern Palestine and the rest of the Levant after the west helped them to steal it back in 1948.... maybe we can all stop saying bad things about these religions...religions that foster derision and division and forms of elitism and exclusion based upon their idiot superstitious beliefs..... then maybe we can all let the stupidstitionists feel sublime and unchallenged... providing they are not proselytizing us to begin with. And that the do continuously...right, Stephen.PBarrett?

    Yeah, right! So you might claim that...those are not real and true "believers"....that they are deviates from the true meanings of those religions, right? Just read those so-called Holy Books and you'll see that the whole religion is based on a psychopathic imaginary being that is conveniently used by those who would exploit the idea for their own benefits. And they all clash in a cacophonous and destructive din of nonsense.

  • Indiana Goes Back To The 1950's   12 hours 4 min ago

    My apologies to any others who read my above response to an idiot. Please know that the reason he made me so furious is because the nitwit asserted that my entire life is based on nothing more than a desire to be deviant and lewd and lascivious and I won't tolerate a slur like that.

  • Why the House of Representatives Doesn’t Represent Americans   12 hours 8 min ago

    Yes Thom, we live in an Oligarchy. Agnotology was the duplicitous tool used to turn the USA into one. This Culure of Corruption continues.

    Agnotology: Part one of six parts

  • Indiana Goes Back To The 1950's   12 hours 10 min ago
    Quote mjolnir:
    Quote mdhess:

    We're hearing the very same arguments from the right that we heard in the 60's from bigots in the South -- we have a right to serve who we want because it's our own business. I heard Neil McCabe say this morning on Thom's show that business owners should have the right to decide who they do or don't want to serve and when asked about serving blacks he said of course it didn't apply to serving people of a different race. That's was a completely neurotic and nonsensical response.

    No, it's not. Behavior is a choice, race is not.

    I don't usually get mad in debates or use fowl language but you have it coming -- Fuck you... it is NOT behavior, it is who I am and who I was born to be --- made by God if you believe in God. You are not qualified to assert that being gay is merely a behavior. It's like saying that being straight is merely a behavior. If all you have to offer in the discussion is pure, unadulterated shit then kindly keep your sick, perverted opinions to yourself.

  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   12 hours 16 min ago

    Are you, ZenZoe, an Iman? Are you an Islamic scholar? What degrees do you hold? Which color is your turban?

    You answered none of my questions/acusations, I accuse you of xenophobia, you do as usual, bait and switch, try to force me on the defensive. Were you a true progressive, you would never do such a thing, because it wouldn't have been an attack you'd have understood. But you understand. Proof. Bigot, xenophobe, charlatan.


  • Indiana Goes Back To The 1950's   12 hours 18 min ago

    I disagree that sexual orientation is a choice for most people -- maybe it is for a few. But religion is most definitely a choice. Are you suggesting it should be legal for a sole proprietor to refuse to provide services to self-proclaimed Christians? Or Muslims? Or unmarried mothers?

  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   12 hours 20 min ago
    Quote michellekovalik:


    Quote some Bible.

    Why? I don't like the Bible's misogyny any better than that of the Qur'an.

    Quote michellekovalik:

    Cop out.

    Xenophobia is not defensible, which is what you're trying to do.


    Really? Wow. Thanks for the seriously unfounded "insight."

    What I'm trying to do is get you to address the misogyny in the Qur'an. Let's hear how you deal with that! How does your husband study that and not be influenced to consider you deserving of beatings and various insults and humiliations? How do you claim to be a Muslim, while ignoring the teachings of Islam's most "sacred" texts?

    That's just for starters...

    And, btw, I don't claim to be an authority. That I'm not is the reason I asked you those questions.

  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   12 hours 25 min ago

    Quoting the Q'ran, Koran, Qu'ran, et al, proves only that you are an efficient Googler, not an Authority, though claiming Authority should make anyone question you anyhow.


  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   12 hours 28 min ago


    Quote some Bible.

    Cop out.

    Xenophobia is not defensible, which is what you're trying to do.


  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   12 hours 30 min ago

    O thank you, for yet another holier-than-thou rant from the Priestess of Painted Faces.

  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   12 hours 33 min ago

    I am always open to seeing how "moderate" religionists deal with the more difficult teachings from their sacred books. Thus, what does your husband say about the following quotes from the Qur'an?

    • “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34, “Women,”

    • "The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women."

    • “If you fear that you cannot treat [orphan girls] with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girl you may own.” Quran 4:3, “Women,”

    • [re pedophilia in the Qur'an] "Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy."

  • Sound Off: Are Young People Lazy Workers?   12 hours 36 min ago

    Is the use of the word lazy a pejorative or a descriptive? Intent matters.


  • Never vote Democrat again?   12 hours 43 min ago

    And "no-change" means that the Democrats will continue to sell us out. Elect Shillary and you will get more of the same Dem Sell-outs to the ruling elite. They'll continue to sell false hope but end up screwing us all.

    The Republicanics, despite what they say, will never get rid of Social Security...there are too many old Republicanics getting Social Security that would not like it one bit. In fact, the Republicanic Party is in dire trouble with their constituents. Some think they are an old dinosaur fossil that is wasting away. I'd say the same thing about the Democrat Party. They have shown their true colors too many times to be believable. Those of us who are paying attention know their old tricks by now. But some people just still don't get it. They are going to continue making the same dumb mistakes they did when they voted for Obama the second time.

    Most of us will be dead anyway before a change in Social Security kicks in, if people are dumb enough to let it happen. And, voting for a Democrat will not stop it...they have already proven that they'll sell us out after they make all their promises of being so protective of it.

    The real danger is to believe the Democrat Party's scare mongering that the Republicanics will be so immensely bad that we had better vote Democrat. The hope of the left wing of the ruling elite party is that we will be so scared to take a chance to vote for someone outside of their control that we will stay imprisoned in the existing smoke-and-mirrors, bait-and-switch trickery of a corrupt two-party system.

    I just might get suckered into voting Democrat once again if they run Elizabeth Warren...but certainly not Shillary Clinton....she is too much of an entrenched representative of the ruling elite. We already had one nitwit relative President when Baby Bush wheedled his way into office. We certainly don't need a repeat. Can you imagine Bill Clinton back in the White House? Geesh! That will sure keep the old Republicanic hate flames going and make good material for comedians. I sure hope Bill Maher doesn't make the same mistake with Shillary as he did when he donated $1M to Obama's campaign!

  • Why the House of Representatives Doesn’t Represent Americans   12 hours 45 min ago

    I agree, most of my fellow working class people want those things. Far too many don't vote because they think "both sides are the same" or "it doesn't make a difference", and there are a disturbing number or rascists and bigots who are worried the ******* and the like will get their stuff. The intentional plot to dissuade and discourage people from voting or voting against their own interest has and is working.

  • the problem with Common Core and standardized testing   12 hours 53 min ago
    Quote ChicagoMatt:

    I've been to several in-services about Common Core, even though, as a private school, we are not beholden to adopting it. We can teach more or less anything we want. And, at my school, curriculum decisions are left to the individual teachers. The restuls are spectacular. Our students continually outperform their public school counterparts by every standard they can possible assess.

    How much does your school spend, per student, compared to public schools?

  • “Hogwash!" and Other Down-to-Earth Observations   12 hours 53 min ago

    This thread starts at "hogwash" and has truely become "hogwash". THEY are the Imperialists of Epistemology. THEY are the authority on How To Know. This has been hilarious for Muslims to read. No sense of humor, Muslims? No, this isn't humor, it's blatant ignorance. It's what's wrong w/this imperialist/capitalist/sociopathic country.

    It's why a Seikh Temple gets shot up, instead of a Muslim Mosque. Oopps. It's why Native American sacred grounds get "voted down", lose their "place of worship", the Land, Nature, loses in Canada/USA/South America to fracking, deforestization. Oh hah hah ha, those other "religions". Silly Muslims, and thanks to God that God gave the body a way to eliminate waste, thus ensuring life. (a body that could not eliminate waste would die). Hilarious. (btw, every moment should be thanked unto Allah, whether reading, eating, working, singing, loving, empathizing, drawing, writing, dying, twirling,.....EVERY moment is to give thanks to Allah...yes, pooping/farting included- though in some Eastern cultures, a public fart is considered a great offence, as hospitality, empathy to others, finds a fart offensive). Wow, how ignorant, it's the whole of human existance, every aspect. Ignorance. Man, many of y'all who self-declare progressives are anything but, you're charletans, no matter how many "lefty's" you quote, cite, it's the Eric Erickson model, brilliant. What a scam.

    PS- Bravo Charles Barkley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boycot Indianna, NCAA B-Ball Tourney


  • The Politics of Cat & Dog Preference   12 hours 54 min ago

    Zenzoe, when I first read your post I took some umbrage on behalf of our three rescue dawgs straight out of Dixie hell. But the more I read on, I had to admit you had a point. To a certain degree I had to differ somewhat about the loyalty of a dog, no matter how badly he or she's been treated. And did you NAIL down pat the way so many wonderfully nice dogs are so badly mistreated, especially in a part of the country I always thought was "dawg hevin." Yeah, right. Sometimes I've had to give our pup a little "stern eye" when she's running circles around me as I'm trying to get her comfortably situated in her very spacious sleeping cage. Down goes the tail between the legs and she's giving me that "how could you ... LOOK" and that means she's got me by the arteries headin' from heart to head n' back.

    Cats seem to have a very strong Tory-like streak running through them while Dogs make perfect Democrats. They're suitably humble and seldom put on airs unless they're those fluff'd out show dogs. Yeah, well, I remember that crowd, even going back to my days working in Disney World's watercraft division and we had to do "Kennel Duty" when the ferry boats and hotel launches were kaput. Those little showy n' fluffy things had the nastiest and quickest bites this side of any redneck's junkyard, and there were lots of those just within minutes of the Mouse House. These poochies were the pets and playthings of the one percent crowd of that time, er, uhhhh, 43 years ago. Not much has changed. And no, their crap didn't smell any better, either. Far from it. It matched their 'tudes perfectly.

    When it comes to dawgs, I prefer 'em big, loveable and downright GOOFY. Yeah, a warning loud bark helps to keep creeps n' crooks away. But paw for paw, nothing comes close to a dog rescued from death row which a lot of "shelters" down South happen to be notoriously known for. If you folks are looking for a great rescue shelter dog mission, give this one a look PDQ! Dogs In Harmony operating out of Winchester, TN. Lila Jean will love to hear from you.

  • Why the House of Representatives Doesn’t Represent Americans   13 hours 4 min ago

    Republicans not only don't listen to the voters at large, but they try to lie to them, and convince people that things are not what they appear. Example: 4 days ago Hoosier republicans put an elephant in the room (RFRA); today, they're trying to claim it's not an elephant; but, everyone with eyes wide open see the elephant. (Punny symbology intended).

    We're not stupid, and we're not blind; but, why do we let them treat us as though we are?

  • Topeka, Kansas Cops Institute "Hands Up Immediately" Policy   13 hours 8 min ago

    The cops are armed and dangerous.


  • What do you believe?   13 hours 10 min ago

    Tommy Chong is my higher power.


  • Never vote Democrat again?   13 hours 11 min ago
    Quote DynoDon:... The only reason women are supporting Hillary is because of her support for women's issues. But she'll do nothing for the rest of us...

    —the "rest of us?" So, you think men have no vested interest in protecting a woman's Constitutional right to abortion? If not, just use your imagination.

    You think men do not benefit from equal pay for women? If so, in more ways than one, you'd be wrong.

    Ending violence against women does not serve the interests of men too? So, you don't have a daughter, sister, mother, wife or female friend whose suffering from domestic violence, rape, or sexual harassment, among other crimes against women, would not affect you, your mental and emotional health or even your financial stability? You can see no way in which such crimes affect the happiness and well-being of men too?

    And exactly how are men not served, where discrimination against women in the workplace or in professions exerts oppressive pressure on the middle class aspirations of all families?

    I could go on, but you're a member of "the rest of us," and only interested in your narrow sphere of interest, forgetting that we're all connected, forgetting that women are people too and that what happens to us, happens to you. And if you matter, so do we.

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Why the House of Representatives Doesn’t Represent Americans

One of the really weird ironies of politics these days is the huge divergence between what the American people actually want and what the radical right-wingers in Washington actually do. You won’t hear this on Fox So-Called News, but right now the American people are as progressive as they ever have been.

Don’t believe me? Just check the polls.