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  • Reagan Minimum Wage Value Drops To 73%... WHERE WERE THE TEEN JOBS????   15 hours 58 min ago
    Quote gumball:
    Quote ulTRAX:
    Quote gumball:

    Do we all agree with the idea that if it is raised too high then it will lower the amount of entry level jobs? Leaving us with question of what number is too high?

    Sure, but that's a strawman and you know it. I've never suggested the MW be higher than it's 1968 value... a value that's market tested in that BLS numbers show it didn't cause any drop in employment nor did it cause any apparent inflation.

    But are you suggesting that an economy can't get addicted to a DEPRECIATING MW or that if given a choice an employer will NOT pay the least they can unless forced to?

    So if your so into claiming that an extravagant MW will cause unemployment... how do you explain a MW that depreciates to 73% of its value leading to FEWER teens being hired?

    Why is it a strawman? You are agreeing with the rational behind the point being raised, you are just disagreeing on the level where the point is relevant.

    It's a strawman because it's helping deflect the argument from a logical discussion of restoring the MW to some sensible previous value to the ridiculous question of why not a $50 or $100 MW.

  • Fox News   15 hours 59 min ago
    Quote gumball:

    On the relatively rare occasion I watch TV news I will flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox. One thing I noticed was the rarity of dissenting views on MSNBC, at least with Fox each show does have liberal guests.

    You must be watching a different Fox News channel. MSNBC has a hard time getting any conservatives on because they will be asked question that are not soft balls. Rachael Maddow constanly asks for conservatives and they will not show. They can go on Fox and rant without a question.

    Reminds me of when an aid for Michel Bachman said she could lie and misrepresent because that is what her base wants to hear.

  • PARASITES: Schweizer’s new book lays out the details of Bill & Hillary’s history of bribery and much more.   16 hours 1 min ago

    Free on-line book...shocking things you never knew...and probably don't want to know: Warning it is very explicit....Adult material:

    https://archive.org/details/TranceFormationOfAmerica-MarkPhillips

  • Reagan Minimum Wage Value Drops To 73%... WHERE WERE THE TEEN JOBS????   16 hours 2 min ago
    Quote Mauiman2:
    Quote ulTRAX:
    Quote Mauiman2:There are other factors that have changed since 1968 that completely overwhelm the fact that the minimum wage is lower today (in real dollars).

    One of those factors could be that the economy got addicted to a depreciating MW.

    Nope, can't agree with you here, the effect of MW on the entire economy is minute.

    When I mean economy, I'm only referring to those who hire MW workers and therefore benefit each time the MW depreciates since they can pocket the difference. This is why I've maintained this is a backdoor subsidy to these businesses at the worker's expense. So if the cost of entry level labor goes down for 6-7-8 straight years... why wouldn't this distort the economics of these businesses as opposed to if the MW were adjusted to inflation and those labor costs remained the same?

  • Thom, Federal Trade Commission must severely fine religious leaders that provide false religious services   16 hours 18 min ago

    yes, seriously. because when religious leaders claim that "God"/"Allah"/"Jehovah" will protect people from bodily harm like from stabbings, slashings, gunshots, bombs, etc. in exchange for periodic tithes to church/synagogue/mosque/meetings, and that protection doesn't happen and when people aren't cured from dangerous diseases by "God's"/"Allah's"/"Jehovah's" intervention, these religious leaders must be held fully accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as in each of them gets fined $250,000 per each offense.

  • Tax Freedom Day   16 hours 19 min ago

    Someone who is better at math than I am can attempt this calculation: if TFD (taxes paid) in 2011 was April 11, and Mitt Romney paid 25% taxes (assuming 10% state taxes, property taxes, etc. - that's likely too high) he worked until April 2 to pay his burden (25% x 365 = 92 days) And if he is in the top 1% that means 99 other people had to work until _____ date to pay for the rest of the taxes.

  • Fox News   16 hours 19 min ago
    Quote Dexterous:

    That's not my question. Why do you care what I believe in, or watch? I don't care if Hartmann gives one free hour per week so a socialist senator can stand on a soapbox. I laugh at that, but I don't care if you listen to, or believe in it.

    If the progressive cult spent as much time organizing their party as they do questioning what the other guy did, they may actually start to make a dent in the democrat party's candidates philosophy.

    Voting for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife for any reason, ain't one of them.

    What I am trying to figure out is why Fox is popular considering it is misleading (and you seem to know that) and it is spewing the political philosophy of the 1%. Do you ever look at Media matters.org?

    Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist. By that he drives on socialistic roads, Goe to a socialistic Library, has a socialistic fire department etc. Oh, you do to?

    Your Hilary thing is just about the right size for a bumper sticker. About the intelligence of the right. Did you vote for the guy that wears holy majic underwear?

  • Fox News   16 hours 19 min ago

    On the relatively rare occasion I watch TV news I will flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox. One thing I noticed was the rarity of dissenting views on MSNBC, at least with Fox each show does have liberal guests.

  • Reagan Minimum Wage Value Drops To 73%... WHERE WERE THE TEEN JOBS????   16 hours 22 min ago
    Quote ulTRAX:
    Quote gumball:

    Do we all agree with the idea that if it is raised too high then it will lower the amount of entry level jobs? Leaving us with question of what number is too high?

    Sure, but that's a strawman and you know it. I've never suggested the MW be higher than it's 1968 value... a value that's market tested in that BLS numbers show it didn't cause any drop in employment nor did it cause any apparent inflation.

    But are you suggesting that an economy can't get addicted to a DEPRECIATING MW or that if given a choice an employer will NOT pay the least they can unless forced to?

    So if your so into claiming that an extravagant MW will cause unemployment... how do you explain a MW that depreciates to 73% of its value leading to FEWER teens being hired?

    Why is it a strawman? You are agreeing with the rational behind the point being raised, you are just disagreeing on the level where the point is relevant.

  • Justice withheld is justice denied in GMO case   16 hours 34 min ago

    Good luck, hope somebody can help. I don't know any lawyers myself or have any contacts in that area.

    These corporations are out of control. .ren posted some info about Weyerhauser's abusive relationship to his bioregion. Robert Reich recently wrote about Georgia Pacific leaving the Fort Bragg area ravaged. At least there is some potential to rehabilitate the land. Who knows what will happen if Monsanto gets its way in Maui.

  • Fox News   16 hours 39 min ago

    The conservative point of view is simplistic and easy to understand. Each talking point can fit on a bumper sticker. The masses, in general, are not thinkers. That's why Joseph Goebbels, P. T. Barnum and Madison Avenue were/are so successful. "There's a sucker born every minute." Fox watchers don't doubt, they just applaud.

  • Thom, Federal Trade Commission must severely fine religious leaders that provide false religious services   16 hours 43 min ago

    Seriously? Were you asleep during Sunday School when your teacher tried to explain what faith was all about? Is there anything in the Bible demonstrating that God approves of scam artists trading on deceitful misinterpretations of His teachings on the subject? And didn't Jesus overturn the tables in the Jerusalem table, and likewise Martin Luther nail his 95 theses to a cathedral door in Germany to protest against this? The impression you've left is that Christianity and other faiths haven't recognized the sins of man insofar as they relate to trading on false promises ascribed to God.

    Even Jesus only used a whippet, not a bullwhip when he caused all the turmoil in the Temple ...and for that, He paid dearly ... and not just for Himself, either.

  • The right to free speech and the right to discriminate   16 hours 52 min ago

    Damn I wish that you would do both us and yourself some good and educate yourself about history and reality so that we don't have to keep repeating the same facts and historical cicumstances to you over and over again.

    That Congress was legislating against moral wrongs in many of these areas rendered its enactments no less valid. In framing Title II of this Act Congress was also dealing with what it considered a moral problem. But that fact does not detract from the overwhelming evidence of the disruptive effect that racial discrimination has had on commercial intercourse. It was this burden which empowered Congress to enact appropriate legislation, and, given this basis for the exercise of its power, Congress was not restricted by the fact that the particular obstruction to interstate commerce with which it was dealing was also deemed a moral and social wrong.

    HEART OF ATLANTA MOTEL, INC.
    v.
    UNITED STATES ET AL.

    Supreme Court of United States.

    Argued October 5, 1964.Decided December 14, 1964. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6430982451238623589&q=heart+of+atlanta+motel+inc.+v.+united+states+(1964)&hl=en&as_sdt=6,38&as_vis=1

  • Conscious apocalypse: outliving our ruling institutions   16 hours 53 min ago

    I was just about to post some add-ons per communication and ren posted Bohm dialogue. This has happened before, I seem to synchronize my processing with ren's, or probably a coincidence.

    Anyhow I consider dialogue under the 'Institution' banner, as communication is part of our evolutionary leap. Some observations of internet dialogue:

    1) Poe's Law - without a clear indicator of an author's intention, it is often impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of such extremism

    [note, I do not put indicators showing sarcasm or irony, most of the people who's opinions I care about know me by now and get it]

    2) Morgan's Maxim

    Another precedent posted on Usenet dates to 2001. Following the well-known schema of Arthur C. Clarke's third law,* Alan Morgan wrote:

    "Any sufficiently advanced troll is indistinguishable from a genuine kook."[5]

    3) Irony_punctuation Percontation point

    The modern question mark (? U+003F) is descended from the "punctus interrogativus" (described as "a lightning flash, striking from right to left"),[1] but unlike the modern question mark, the punctus interrogativus may be contrasted with the punctus percontativus—the former marking questions that require an answer while the latter marks rhetorical questions.[2]

    The percontation point (⸮), a reversed question mark later referred to as a rhetorical question mark, was proposed by Henry Denham in the 1580s and was used at the end of a question that does not require an answer—a rhetorical question. Its use died out in the 17th century.[3] This character can be represented using the reversed question mark (⸮) found in Unicode as U+2E2E; another character approximating it is the Arabic question mark (؟), U+061F

    Percontation point is a possible. I have added a few punctuations not on my keyboard before with typeit.org/ . Latin and ©, ®, ™,

    In 1688, John Wilkins in his famous Essay Towards a Real Character and a Philosophical Language proposed using an inverted exclamation mark to punctuate ironic statements.[4] Marcellin Jobard, a Belgian newspaper publisher, introduced an irony mark in the shape of an oversize arrow head with small stem (rather like an ideogram of a Christmas Tree) in 1841. The next year he expanded his idea, suggesting the symbol could be used in various orientations (on its side, upside down, etc.) too as "a point of irritation, an indignation point, a point of hesitation."[5]

    Irony mark as designed by Alcanter de Brahm in a French encyclopedia from 1905[6]

    The irony point (⸮) (French: point d’ironie) was proposed by the French poet Alcanter de Brahm (alias Marcel Bernhardt) in his 1899 book L'ostensoir des ironies to indicate that a sentence should be understood at a second level (irony, sarcasm, etc.). It is illustrated by a glyph resembling but not identical to a small, elevated, backward-facing question mark.[2] The same mark was used earlier by Marcellin Jobard in an article dated June 11, 1841, and commented in an 1842 report.[7]

    Hervé Bazin in his 1966 essay Plumons l’Oiseau ("Let's pluck the bird"), used the Greek letter psi with a dot below for the same purpose.[8] In the same work, the author proposed five other innovative punctuation marks: the "doubt point" (), "certitude point" (), "acclamation point" (), "authority point" (), and "love point" ().[9]

    In March 2007, the Dutch foundation CPNB (Collectieve Propaganda van het Nederlandse Boek) presented another design of an irony mark ().[10][11]

    I like the certitude points, but they don't paste. In my SFI (Swedish for Immigrants) classes I helped the teacher explain to the class the difference between some words by drawing a bar representing the degree of certitude with possible on one side probable then certainty (in Swedish of course). I had to do some English remedial grammar to get the Swedish, declarative statements etc. They are both Germanic so the grammar rules are similar. I mentioned English's use of apostrophes and contractions, she said contractions are for women, not sexist, they are a woman's when giving birth. I said English agrees but English likes to assign many definitions to the same damn word, for uncertainty, ambiguity, make work for lawyers, or just to be annoying. [!] is an obvious hint. ren has written a few dry comments, unadorned with smilies or punctuation. We covered wry vs dry too. These are the things that keep me u at night.

    *

    Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke. They are:

    1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
    2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
    3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    Magic IS the scientific support that the right uses for their positions, they call it something else, but they believe in magic.
  • The right to free speech and the right to discriminate   17 hours 13 min ago
    Quote Aliceinwonderland:

    Reply to #6: Mr. Hess, that's the exact point I would have made and I could not have said it better.

    Wanna do business with the public? Then SERVE the public and quit whining.

    Translation: If you open a business that serves the public, your business is now at the disposal of the politicians. If you don't serve who you want to serve, you will be sued by the "victim" of the discrimination. (Isn't discrimination a victimless crime? I thought liberals don't support victimless crimes). The government will fine you and if need be shut you down. Of course, if you are a member of the government's protect class, you may discriminate at your leisure. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

  • Daily Topics - Monday April 20th, 2015   17 hours 28 min ago

    Regarding one thing Conserv have done for average American...how about Medicare part D pharmacy by GW Bush

  • Energy Storage.....   17 hours 31 min ago

    You could also look the opposite direction for your powering needs. Solar cells only work when the sun is out, but geothermal energy works as long as the Earth is hot on the inside.

    Go down about five miles, and the temperature is hot enough to make steam, which can turn a turbine for electricity, day and night.

    No need for large-scale storage in that case. Just more affordable drilling methods.

  • Fox News   17 hours 32 min ago

    That's not my question. Why do you care what I believe in, or watch? I don't care if Hartmann gives one free hour per week so a socialist senator can stand on a soapbox. I laugh at that, but I don't care if you listen to, or believe in it.

    If the progressive cult spent as much time organizing their party as they do questioning what the other guy did, they may actually start to make a dent in the democrat party's candidates philosophy.

    Voting for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife for any reason, ain't one of them.

  • blame Al Gore for gorey acts of violence since "gore", in Webster's Third New International Dictionary, means "bloodshed"   17 hours 34 min ago

    Aright spooner enough. We see you, now come on out of the closet.

  • Conscious apocalypse: outliving our ruling institutions   17 hours 48 min ago
    Quote nimblecivet:

    These threads are a good excercise in a lot of ways. I try to avoid having to go back and re-read but usually have to to whatever extent possible. Doing so for a couple of minutes just now it struck me how much more obvious it is to me that .ren has been trying hard to keep a certain coherence to this thread. A lot of what I posted though I just offered as sort of tangential fodder, admittedly because getting these thoughts out can be something like scratching an itch but also as an experiment to see what strikes a chord in the sense of offering some kind of opportunity to embellish the main theme.

    It's really not hard, and I'm not trying.

    Quote nimblecivet:

    So, there's a limited set of people who have by some set of coincidences of their particular situation and their personal qualities who are able to adopt some kind of positive, proactive, transformational attitude. There was, for a while at least, some kind of nascent movement around the idea of transition, involving "transition towns" and just the idea of "transition" itself where a group of people in various areas deliberatly adopted the word to their social organizing. Thus around here it is "Transition Lake County" but elsewhere it would be "Transition Los Angeles" or "Transition Oslo" or whatever. The basic ideas would be reiterated: local business, agriculture, open sourse software, consensus based community life, sharing economy, etc.

    As far as I can tell the transition concept continues, evolves, people try one thing, then another, the applied names don't matter. What seems to matter is the human spirit to keep on keepin' on. Here we've been various movements of community activity ever evolving; we've been the Twin Harbors Coalition, the Grange, recently a group has split off to focus on bees... Nothing is stagnant where people are working to be conscious of their world, and the larger inter-connected world.

    Understanding of that larger world is often much like the three blind men trying to describe the elephant from three different parts.

    Of course meanwhile alongside all of that the giant apocalyptic institutional archon, Weyerhaeuser, that managed to own much of the land around here thanks to a series of governing boondoggles from the Federal level dating back to the "great" Abraham Lincoln, has begun to "liquefy" its assets and move on to join the global investment community, leaving the minions who were its employees behind to fend...

    And many do not fend so well, probably because they had adopted the attitudes of "freedom" that I see as subservience to a consumer "freedom of choice" society and have not yet come to grips with the diminishing cash flow from their archon source, the corporation, and the other features that go with the removal of that source from their environment. Once they come to grips with that they may move on to other locations where other archons rule and their familiarity with that system returns them to a feeling of comfort, or they may join some of the burgeoning new community processes that have been taking place for some time around here. We shall wait and see, keepin on keepin on, avoiding the very real potential for confrontation with increasingly angry elements of our little corner of the continent.

  • Energy Storage.....   17 hours 56 min ago

    I thought after what I posted in the reply above that I should also add this link for solar news.

    http://www.pvbuzz.com/press-releases/nrg-renew-sunshare-celebrate-larges...

  • Energy Storage.....   18 hours 43 sec ago
    Quote Laborisgood:

    There is literally an endless supply of free energy being showered upon us every day by that lucky old sun lazing around in the sky all day.

    Yes I agree and here is a website link that is full of solar news headlines. We need to continue to support solar and ask our representives to do so also. We can all invest in solar projects too.

    https://madmimi.com/p/e44226?fe=1&pact=29744286999

    You can invest in solar projects at the link below.

    https://joinmosaic.com/

  • Dual Citizenship - for Some...   18 hours 20 min ago

    So if an Italian donated money to a political party, it would be obvious that the mafia owns that party?

    Antonin Scalia's family supported the Fascists. Does that mean that Scalia is a fascist? Possibly yes. He is certainly not a sentient being these days.

  • Conscious apocalypse: outliving our ruling institutions   18 hours 25 min ago

    I know it's been argued that aggression stems from fear of a loss of one sort or another but just like all generalities it is not true.

    Just checking in with a better frame of mind. The only another things I'd like to add is that yes .ren your post was a very timely interdiction, thanks. And Michelle while I'm not sure this is the thread for it if you'd like to hear an interesting canine story (while I've got a few) I have one that relates to the wilder side of the species.

  • Dual Citizenship - for Some...   18 hours 25 min ago

    Assertions are made but proof is not provided. Why is that?

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