People with the gold make the rules!!!!!

the best to dowith fox like all things dum is to ignore them

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Despite the fact that Barack Obama carried Wisconsin by 14
points in 2008, the 2010 election was a bloodbath for Wisconsin Democrats.
Scott Walker was elected Governor by with a 52% majority; the state Senate went
from 18 Democrats to 14, and 15 Republicans to 19; the Assembly went from 50
Democrats to 38, Republicans, from 45 to 60.

Now a handful of Union members are trying to overturn the Government
voted in by the majority of Wisconsin Citizens in a legal election. Democracy
Works, and Wisconsin is leading the way.

I AGREE

IN fact I said that on here just a couple days ago.

HOWEVER - just now as I am typing and rethinking it - it would just give the anti-union people that much more ammo against the unions - they would consider the union strikers - terrorists.

"Find the Cost of Freedom" by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young

(my child is one of those soldiers who is buried in the ground....)

Do what unions do best and declare an all out national puplic employee's strike, F-em shut down the country for a week or two... FRANCE ? does that ring a bell, Then centrist Obama would have to get involved.

One thing to thank gov walker for is waking up America and the American worker to the fact that they are under attack - literally! On 14 Feb when I heard this lowlife gov brag that he would call his National Guard on his own people, I knew at that moment that this was no ordinary American but a incipient despot! The American people are finally awake to fact to what the repugs are really about - destroying the Democratic Party and breaking the backs of the Unions. Objective - ONE PARTY RULE!

Well true Americans will not let that happen. Unions created the middle class in this country. They fought to create the middle class, and some died for their effort. The majority of Americans today enjoy the rights and benefits that Unions fought for since the turn of the 20th Century. American Workers made the American middle class.

And thank those 14 Democratic Senators from Wisconsin! I have NOT seen this sort of bravery from ANY Democrat in 30 years! I have donated to ActBlue to provide monetary support to these brave Politicians. The rest of America should follow their lead and basically yell from their rooftops - ENOUGH!

Jeffersonian Democracy:

Jefferson saw capitalism coming and warned against the unrestrained rise of industry and wealth. That is a fact.

He saw the farmer as the ideal of getting value out of your labor. All farmers basically work the same amount and get the same sustenance for their effort. It is the basic standard to measure where freedom actually begins because, above and beyond that basic standard, a person is free to pursue any other form of happiness with additional hard work. Without that standard they are not truly free nor can they persue happiness. When Jefferson spoke of "self sufficiency" he spoke of the farmer getting that consistant value out of his labor, not the guy working for wages.

Jefferson saw citizens being stuck as wage laborers coming and he warned against it. He saw the fluid value of wages as the way that the elites would eventually, once again, take control over people's rights, and liberty. You are less likely to stand up for your own rights or other people's rights if it will effect your ability to provide for yourself. The farmer does not face this threat, he can always use his labor to survive happily so he can then protest or fight. But with wages and the control over them, Jefferson saw a clear path right back to the aristocracy and financial tyranny that they fought to crush and replace in their own day.

Right now the minimum wage is about half as much money as a person needs in society to provide basic sustenance and security for themselves. Right now health care coverage (which protects our health but also protects us from financial ruin) costs AT LEAST as much as the other major expenses in a persons life: transportation and a home. Some say the government is protecting wages and workers with it's labor laws but I suggest that the laws themselves are not enough. They must be laws that work.

When people talk about Jefferson's ideas of freedom, liberty, and limited government, they must be forced to realize that, economically, Jefferson was a socialist. He thought banks and the businesses that rose up around them were more dangerous than standing armies. He saw large collections of wealth as dangerous to democracy and individual liberty. He wanted progressive taxation to discourage large accumulations of wealth and the "transfer of that wealth downward in a benevolant way" He was not against manufacturing but he insisted that any economic system that replaced that farmers value of basic labor for a basic standard of living was dangerous. He felt that a nation of citizens that became dependent on earning wages opened up all kinds of opportunities for corruption and tyranny:

"Such a situation, Jefferson feared, would leave the American people vulnerable to political subjugation and economic manipulation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffersonian_democracy

This is why we have unions. We may not admit it, but unions are the fulfillment of Jefferson's view that the people must rise up in a common defense against tyranny. It is the "wage earners economic militia" Make no mistake, Jefferson saw aristocracy, manufacturers and banks as potential tyrants who needed to be watched very closely or they would oppress people.

If labor regulations by the powers that be fail to live up to the costs of living free, then the people who wish to live free are obligated to protect themselves by abolishing and/or changing those standards that oppress them.

I predict that this will be the end of Scott Walker. He is an embarrasment to the State of Wisconsin. His blatant attacks on the working people of the state will cause him to resign or to be recalled from office. There is no excuse for his bad behavior. If the public cannot succeed in defeating him, then the nation as a Republic is doomed. I hope that labor movements all over the world will contribute to his demise. His attack on working people is beyond imagination. Those who care about democracy cannot stand to suffer a man like Walker in political power.

He is not acting to help the people of Wisconsin. If he succeeds in his plan what he is doing is punishing the people who serve the public. Who would want to work for the government as a teacher, firefighter, or public service officer if they are treated like slaves? These plans, if they were to be effected, would make Wisconsin a second class state. Who would want to live in such an environment.

Philip Henderson, ethical magician

Some Cold War era classics, IMO, are XTC's "This World Over" (devastating lyrics) and Joe Jackson's "Forty Years". And two more: Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" (which he recorded, although I much prefer the Robert Wyatt version) and, of course, Costello's anthemic version of Nick Lowe's "What's So Funny 'Bout Peace, Love and Understanding".

"Within you" by Ray Lamontagne