Isn't the Internet the best education? One can read the widest possible array of information from a vast number of perspectives, on any given topic.

Aren't schools just a way for instructors to make money? Other than the need to learn the jargon, isn't on-the-job training more useful than classroom education?

Worse yet is the lack of opportunity even for those with a bachelors or masters degree. Our lust for wage saving tchnology has eliminated millions upon millions of jobs and devalued millions more. So as a result of billionaires quest to eliminate employee payroll and benefit packages and destroy labor unions by implimenting technology that destroys jobs. Smart technology doesn't break down, and has no need for health plans it has upset the ratio of jobs needed in high technology as well. How many engineers can we posibly employ ? The population of the US has more than quadrupled since Kennedy but the opportunity for employment has shrank to unbelievably low levels. There simply are not enough jobs.

Not even enough minimum wage jobs. There will not be enough jobs in the future. Austerirty will only piss people off untill something catastrphic socially takes place. I do not wat to work in a clean room wearing a bunny suit. I do not want to be an engineer, and I don't want to sit on my but being a research analyst, or nuclear physisist. We have arrived at a point where the opportunites left are for the execptions of our society not for the millions of common folks who want a job. They are not genius nor are they stupid. They are just ordinary people who want to be something other than a burden on the rich. Or maybe the most reasonable question is are the super rich a burdon on society. What will the conslusion be in the future ?

BRAVO PALINDROMEDARY! Wonderful how you broke that down into nice bite size chunks. Yummy! Of course it begs the question, "Just how stupid do they think we are--playing this same song and dance over and over with the same choreography?"

One might think, "Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice... We don't get fooled again!"

What's it gonna take for Obama to exercise his option to overrule this nonsense with an Executive Order? His response to gun violence certainly shows he's not afraid to use that power.

Is he a fool, a tool, or part of the dance?

Very well Jlane, I wanted to address all your questions to be begin with. Some were good. As far as speaking in generalities is concerned, these are commonly known generalities. I don't feel compelled to prove them. If you disagree you are more than welcome to disprove them citing any valid source. Dismissing them as false generalities however, is what is more on par with "Glenn Beck" then what I stated.

Back to your questions. Here they are:

Are any of the 11 million now on ANY government assistance.
Why: If one immigrates to ANY country, poor. rich, you always have to prove you will not be a burden to that host country. You need to be self-supporting. You cannot have any lifelong diseases. You are vetted. Canada will not let a plumber come to their country if there are thousands of unemployed plumbers already looking for work.
Question 2: How can ICE process 11+ million people through the system? It cannot properly process the 1+ million a year that come to this country legally.
Question 3: How to stop fraud. When the 1986 amnesty program happen the estimates were very high that the as much as 60% of the applicants were not qualified to apply. Some had never been to the USA before. The original estimate in the 1980's was 500,000, and the end number was 2.7 million.
Question: 4 Are we going to end up having 11 million grow to 20 or 30 million to process for an amnesty?
Question 5 Why are we letting in over a million immigrants a year when the economy is doing so badly and there are 20 million unemployed and under employed?
Question 6 During the debate on the 1986 amnesty the main question all the experts had was: If we give an amnesty what is to say we won’t be dealing with another massive Illegal immigration problem 20 years down the road, only bigger numbers?
Instead of 500,000 it could be in the millions. So what is going to keep this from happening again in 20 years and we are talking about 40 to 60 million.
Question 7 With every immigrant that move to America they are given the opportunity to apply for permanent visas for immediate family which is around 20 people. So for every one million immigrants there is a possibility of 20 million following in the next 10 to 20 years.

#1 GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE? Yes, there are many immigrants and far more legal citizens on Government assistance who are merely playing the system and using their own children as pawns to get Government handouts. It is a tragedy for everyone evolved including the tax payer. The people gaming the system are also victims because they are crippled by their involvement and unable to pursue any path of recovery. This discussion is for another topic. However, suffice it to say, that this system puts food on the table for the real victims in this scenario--THE INNOCENT CHILDREN. As far as I am concerned, that makes all the other drawbacks tolerable. I can only assume the Federal Government sees the situation the same way.

#2 PROCESSING ALIENS? If incentive is provided the Aliens themselves will help with patients and confirmation that they are processed correctly. We also have something called computers and databases to make that possible.

#3 HOW DO YOU STOP FRAUD? Simple, take away incentives to lie. Make it a simple inexpensive process to become a legal citizen and not a expensive criminal burden.

#4 POPULATION GROWTH FROM IMMIGRANTS TO 30 MILLION? Sure, why not. I would be happy to see it go to 40 BILLION. The more the merrier. I doubt that is possible; but we can only hope. Stack the voting populous Democratic and we'll be a much more Progressive and happy nation.

#5 ALIENS AND UNEMPLOYMENT? Why are we worried about discussing Immigration and unemployment when the major factor for unemployment is UNfair Trade Agreements. Let's not shift the blame for OUR problems to innocent victims so that the true enemy's can run free and profit.

#6 PROBLEMS WITH 1986 AMNESTY? The same answer as the war on drugs. Remove the illegal element permanently. Make Amnesty a permanent fixture in immigration. That is what our country was founded upon to begin with. Give me you poor huddle masses... REMEMBER. Open the borders to everyone.

#7 PROBLEMS WITH INFLUX OF IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS? Here you are very paranoid and mistaken. First 20 family members is an exaggerated number. The average number of immediate family members might be more like 10-14. I once heard of a family with 26 kids; but even indiginous natives in the area shook their heads in disbelief at that number. In addition, not EVERY MEXICAN wants to live in the US. You seriously over estimate the appeal of our country. In my first hand experience with one family that came here legally, out of 11 adults, only 7 actually came. Of course they offered to bring the rest, but the rest said no thank you. We will stay in our home. Even though they can legally visit anytime they want, its like pulling teeth to get them up here. They quickly start to feel uncomfortable and want to return to Mexico in less time than 2 weeks. After spending a lot of time myself in Mexico I can see their point of view. I myself am considering retiring down there as a multitude of other Caucasian Americans already have in American communities all across Mexico such as Guadalajara, Alcapulco, Puerta Viarta, Manzanillo, and Can Cun to name but a few. The climate down there rivals Hawaii, and the beaches blow Hawaii away. I love Hawaii. I love Mexico too. So I wouldn't be too concerned with a mass "wave of immigrants" flooding the US. Especially when there is a mass wave of immigrants leaving the US for the sandy beaches south of the border.

Geez, David. Who kicked you in the teeth and stole your money? Do you want a better job or would cash help you out and how much do you need?

Most Americans are not earning enough income to properly support themselves and their families. The country is experiencing a widening divide between an elite income class with well-paid salaries and dividend and capital gain income from stock ownership and low-pay wage earners and those dependent on taxpayer-supported government welfare funded by extracting taxes and incurring national debt. This situation will continue to worsen. Americans need to WAKE UP and realize that the FUTURE is one of technological unemployment. Private sector job creation in numbers that match the pool of people willing and able to work is constantly being eroded by physical productive capital’s ever increasing role. And as a result, most American incomes will decline, which will result in a downturn in the economy as there will be fewer and fewer "customers with money" to purchase the products and services society needs and wants. The result: no or significantly reduced opportunity for income.

In the past decade and previous to that Americans were increasingly relying on CONSUMER DEBT to finance homes, cars, vacations, education, and their material affluence. This is the worst debt because it does not generate its own income stream to pay for its self unlike applying the logic of corporate finance, which is self-financing and asset-backed credit for productive uses to grow the economy. People invest in capital ownership on the basis that the investment will pay for itself. Ordinary Americans are shut out of this opportunity because our financial institutions require a form of loan security and relay on "past" savings and equity, which ordinary Americans, and by that I mean the majority, do not have. What is need our proposals to free economic growth from the slavery of "past" savings.

The new reality of technological unemployment is not going to go away. This reality is the result of technological innovation and invention, tectonic shifts in the technologies of production, and an obsolete union movement stuck in job creation and "more pay for less work" instead of bargaining for employee ownership and increased incomes resulting from dividends earned as stock owners in corporate America.

There is a solution, which will result in double-digit economic growth. The Just Third Way Master Plan for America's future is published at http://foreconomicjustice.org/?p=5797.

The solution to broadening private, individual ownership of America's future capital wealth requires that the Federal Reserve stop monetizing unproductive debt, including bailouts of banks "too big to fail" and Wall Street derivatives speculators, and begin creating an asset-backed currency that could enable every man, woman and child to establish a Capital Homestead Account or "CHA" (a super-IRA or asset tax-shelter for citizens) at their local bank to acquire a growing dividend-bearing stock portfolio to supplement their incomes from work and all other sources of income. As well national debt needs to be focused on growing the private sector of the economy simultaneously with facilitating private, individual ownership of FUTURE productive capital formation. Policies need to insert American citizens into the low or no-interest investment money loop to enable non- and undercapitalized Americans, including the working class and poor, to build wealth and become "customers with money." The proposed Capital Homestead Act would produce this result.

The fundamental economic solution is to create income for EVERY American by simultaneously broadening private, individual ownership of FUTURE productive capital economic growth and fully paying the profit dividends to the new American owners of the income-producing capital assets of our corporations.

Support the Capital Homestead Act at http://www.cesj.org/homestead/index.htm and http://www.cesj.org/homestead/summary-cha.htm

what we should do, is pay students to learn. The better they learn, the more they should earn. And when they are ready to participate in the economy, make sure the economy takes care of them proportional to their contribution. And as far as is possible, if someone is unemployed, give them a *job* learning. No such thing as unemployment.

As far as the .01% goes, it's time we understand that many of them, and those that serve them in government, are free riders of the highest caliber. They have taken far more money out of our pockets than all the welfare queens ever did [and welfare queens are, to be real, a fiction] Nobody has found one yet. The .01% fancy themselves, many of them, to be in possesion of some sort of God given inate wonderfulness, and feel entitled to the fruit of toil of the many. They take money out of the pockets of those who toil *before* it lands in those pockets, and call it capitalism and free markets. This they have done by cultivating ignorance, fear, and with utter disregard for those many who are good and decent people who oppose their sociopathic ways. They cannot be good people for good people care what good people think. They care not. Many belong in mental institutions, and prisions. Too big to jail, they tell us. These few are isolated and protected from reality. They cannot win an election without The Stupid Vote, and they are keenly aware of this.

Money must be in motion to do work. If they have great gobs of cash doing no meaningful work, confiscate it, burn it, take it out of circulation, to limit inflation. This after the trust funds they have plundered have been paid off. What has happened is too many dollars have been printed and put into circulation, and too much of it has ended up being hoarded in such a way that it can do little to no work, so as to minimize inflation [morally, it has been stuffed into a mattress]. The distribution of wealth is too weak a function of the real world [read *market*] and far too strong a function of politics for far too long.

the turn around begins when we take the money and corruption out of politics by voting wisely.

Have you ever wondered what happened to the mafia families that used to run so many criminal enterprises in America? I will tell you what happened to those mafia families: they got rich committing crimes, and then, in an effort to make themselves look like better people than they were, they sent their children to the finest universities to study law, accounting, banking, international finance, and related subjects.

Their children returned from those universities and said, "Dad, put down your gun. We need to quit robbing banks. We need to own the banks. And we need to own large accounting firms, so instead of getting caught with two sets of books, we can bribe congress to pass laws that make it legal for us to avoid paying taxes. In fact, let's pass laws that make the government give us tax rebates even when we don't pay any taxes.

And why engage in extortion on a personal level, such as making so-and-so pay us for not trashing his bakery in New York City, when we can control America's government and get the government to engage in extortion on an international scale, with us getting the profit.

And their dads said, "But I enjoy killing people and breaking their legs."

The sons said, "Sure,sure, who doesn't enjoy doing that? But the thing is, do it legally. Imagine the thrill if we had the American military dropping bombs on our enemies. Dad! Take your hand out of your pants, that's not polite! And what the hey, if you want to do it personally, you can still shoot people in the face with a shotgun, you just have to say it was an accident."

Slowly, it began dawning on those old mafia leg-breakers, that it really is a good idea to send kids to college. Because instead of carving up territories in New York City, or the northeast, or wherever, they could take over the entire world. Which is exactly what they have been doing.

We need to stop considering billionaires as regular people who somehow lucked out and got some money, because they are thieves, con artists, extortionists, and murderers. They are common criminals.

When someone tries to steal money from a Jew, they have a saying, "You are stealing food out of the mouths of my children."

And that saying has never been more appropriate in America than it is today: the billionaires are stealing food out of the mouths of our children.

They must be stopped.

I can't beleive that some of you still blame Reagan. You do know he passed away nine years ago and he hasn't been the president for about 25 years. I guess if Moses didn't part the sea there would be more fish today. You people are starting to scare me. Didn't Hilter go after the Jews because they where a small portion of the population with a large percentage of the wealth.

leighmf "Establish a Wealth Ceiling and let IRS mail out checks to the less fortunate" don't we do this already its called welfare.

Nice to have you back Global

Thom, NOBILLIONARES!! I for one agree this is a brilliant idea. Please have the honor of drawing up the petition and give me the honor of signing it! Haste not!

Take the toys away from the greedy little babies and distribute them to the other kids so the toys don't get neglected. Force them to put their good where it will do the most good! It's after all, that is the most Patriotic thing to do!

Do the billionaires want us to respect the rights of other countries? No, they do not.

Do the billionaires respect any of our rights? No, they do not.

Do the billionaires bribe congress to pass laws that benefit them at our expense? Yes, they do.

Do the billionaires scream blood murder when we try to pass laws to protect ourselves from them? Yes, they do.

Are the billionaires willing to do anything to anyone, in order to indulge the mental illness that forces them to hoard more money? Yes, the actions of the richest Americans ever since this country was founed, prove that they are willing to do anything to anyone, to get more money, even though they don't need more money.

Should we ask them politely if they would please stop stealing our money? No, that would be like asking an autistic person to not be autistic, because the billionaires are incapable of controlling their own behavior.

It is not necesary to "criminalize" billionaires. They do that all on their own, by committing crimes. They start wars for their own profit, and that's against the law. They illegally pollute, and that is against the law. They overthrow foreign governments, and that is against the law. They run Wall Street, which is a very thinly-veiled criminal enterprise. They run our banking system and committ countless crimes in so doing.

So, no need to criminalize billionaires. Simply prosecute them for the crimes that they commit. Just as they would insist on the prosecution of anyone who stole money from them. What? It's a crime to steal if you're poor and hungry, but it's not a crime to steal if you're filthy rich?

And yes, I said they are filthy rich, as in: having more money than a person needs, makes that person filthy, it makes them a profiteer who takes from other people just so they can have more money to sit on.

I agree that many rich people are in very bad shape mentally. And part of the reason they are in such bad shape mentally, is because they make their entire lifestyle on the backs of the poor, they make most of their money by abusing other people. And they must be stopped, both for their own good and for our good. Because they are not capable of controlling their own behavior and if things keep going this way, they will destroy America. It is an act of high patriotism to stop the billionaires from further harming themselves and us.