The calculus of new borders

The concept of the world as flat then told that the world is really round needs to be a thought process that had to be difficult to understand.

Or take the famous story in the bible about Noah’s ark, perhaps should be called Noah’s “arc”. Many remember the Ark of the Covenant being a thing like superpower that destroys all armies before it, though shrouded in secrecy, like the American pentagon. LOL. Or, what is real fun, an Indiana jones approach, a challis to drink from to perpetuate life forever?

Noah’s ark can be considered by anyone as the notion or ship called the earth on the rim of the milky-way. So we all are on this ship called earth whirling through something called space on the rim of the Milky Way traveling at more than half the speed of light without the slightest idea of feeling it with the exception of climate change, why and where are we going.

Or worse who we are and arguing about boundaries, birth rights, especially the right to life, profoundly through reasoning, intuition, and empathy, an individual decides randomly to better the world through an education or increase to chaos through murder, assassination, cheat, steal, swindle, while oppressing what the truth is. In plain sight anyone who watches television can see guns and wild ambitions for corruption from the Wild West through James Cagney movies, using machine guns in the 1930’s that glorify the real opportunity in America through corruption, Hollywood the false positive of reality, is the ninety nine percenters education vehicle.

The real kicker is those with huge amounts of money that with full intensions in an anti-life way game the justice system, industry, education, and government to perpetuate this anti-human way loaded with pepper spray, suppression of the first amendment of the constitution. Here it is today in America if the first amendment was really enforced where actions are taken to fulfill that commitment to the first amendment, America we would not need the second amendment!

The Bill of rights doesnt state what the people can do but what the government cannot. The government cannot infringe on our right to keep and bear arms.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

They also didnt see the advent of the internet, Television, and radio allowing a few to preach their dangerious propaganda to the masses.

I have many questions about giving an amnesty to illegal aliens. Here are a few.

Like:
Are any of the 11 million now on ANY government assistance.
Why: If one immigrates to ANY country, poor. rich, you always have to prove you will not be a burden to that host country. You need to be self-supporting. You cannot have any lifelong diseases. You are vetted. Canada will not let a plumber come to their country if there are thousands of unemployed plumbers already looking for work.
Question 2: How can ICE process 11+ million people through the system? It cannot properly process the 1+ million a year that come to this country legally.
Question 3: How to stop fraud. When the 1986 amnesty program happen the estimates were very high that the as much as 60% of the applicants were not qualified to apply. Some had never been to the USA before. The original estimate in the 1980's was 500,000, and the end number was 2.7 million.
Question: 4 Are we going to end up having 11 million grow to 20 or 30 million to process for an amnesty?
Question 5 Why are we letting in over a million immigrants a year when the economy is doing so badly and there are 20 million unemployed and under employed?
Question 6 During the debate on the 1986 amnesty the main question all the experts had was: If we give an amnesty what is to say we won’t be dealing with another massive Illegal immigration problem 20 years down the road, only bigger numbers?
Instead of 500,000 it could be in the millions. So what is going to keep this from happening again in 20 years and we are talking about 40 to 60 million.
Question 7 With every immigrant that move to America they are given the opportunity to apply for permanent visas for immediate family which is around 20 people. So for every one million immigrants there is a possibility of 20 million following in the next 10 to 20 years.
Question 8 How can we support mass immigration at these levels?
Question 9 How many people can this countries water supplies sustain. We are already reaching our limits in South Florida. California and the Northeast?
Question 10 How big a population do we want, or can manage? 300 million, 500 million, 800 million, 1 BILLION, 2 BILLION? When most of our population growth is from immigration and births to immigrants, we need to look at immigration as a plus or minus to our countries future.
We need to have a sustainability discussion with the immigration issue.

This is just the beginning. More to come.

I agree KenW illegals are a huge drain on the US. I don't understand why the left down there stands up for them. When I said we offer Temporary work visas it is because we don't have Anyone to do the job. My son works on a paving crew. In 5 1/2 months he made $65,000. He makes good money because no one else wants to do it. What really blows my mind is how easy it would be to find the illegals and no one seems to care. here you are in handcuffs and on a plane in minutes.

With all due respect to everyone, I did enjoy this "colorful" dialogue! But alas, I had a big day today and don't feel so hot right now. I'm going to turn in; but, will address any comments directed my way tomorrow night. May all have pleasant dreams and a wonderful day manana! Buenos Nochas!

Ken again I respectfully disagree. I understand the semantic argument that your parents and my parents came to this country "legally". Very well! With that kind of logic it is we who are illegal immigrants in California, not Mexicans. if you wish to further this argument, with your logic; you, I and Mexicans are all illegal immigrants in the land of American Indians. "Where else do we appove of Criminals in this country?" Oh, I don't know, MAYBE THE WALL STREET BANKERS WHO JUST STOLE $7 TRILLION IN TAX PAYER MONEY FROM YOU AND I?

It is you and I who should relish the privilege of living here. You and I have no business railing accusations at the indigenous people who lived in this land before we stole it from them for attempting to return and profit from what was theirs to begin with. Also, you are way out of line calling them Criminals when it is the United States who stole this land twice.

Furthermore, you are irrationally analysing the situation when you say that offering a "Path to Citizenship" to "Undocumented Workers" is bad for this country. You fail to realize that it is the "Undocumented Status" of these people that give employers the ability to take advantage of them and the system. By exploiting the situation, employers are able to deny these workers just compensation for their work, their civil liberties, their workmen benefits, social security, and payroll tax deductions. They also have the ability to deny American Citizens of their jobs. It is not the workers who are criminals and robbing the American people of their jobs, but the employers. I fully endorse this plan because it eliminates the opportunity for taking advantage of the weak, levels the playing field, helps support our social safety net, and gives American Citizens a fair shot at getting their jobs back. It also allows the people with the truly rightful claim to this land to return with dignity. As far as I'm concerned, "That ROCKS!!"

I really with you guys would just state your case and stop apologizing to each other. This is a blog and you’re supposed to state what you think without having to worry about hurting someone’s feelings. And no that is not being civil it is being ridiculous. You all need to grow some and stop saying you’re sorry in every other sentence!

It's a Trojan Horse. Oh, the eight rich white Senators who came up with this will have a "final" plan, just like Reagan did in '86. But to make it work they'll put through a national ID card which, of course, Obama will encourage "in the name of settling this issue once and for all." And I give even money it will tie in with a national databank of all Americans, probably with biometric characteristics kept on file. Don't think so? This is exactly what India is doing--just to stop terrorists and illegals (from Bangladesh) of course. Personally, I think that's a trial run for the same system to be put in every developed country, and this bill will be the perfect entry way to bring it into the US. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but this has happened here before. When Flight 800 blew up due to faulty fuel tanks the feds used it as an excuse to demand IDs before traveling on commercial airliners (and have now extended that to trains). They obviously were just waiting for an excuse to start this system. The real reason was to stop black marketing tickets, but the effect is to create an internal passport for Americans to travel within our own country. And people put up with it without a murmur. So if employers have to verify eligibility with a "secure" document there's no reason why exactly the same things won't happen again. In spades.

DAnneMarc - You left wing liberal progressives make me puke, along with people like Hartmann and Palidromedary. With the exception of the Criminals we elected into Congress and the Whitehouse, where else do we as a nation, look the other way when a crime is committed? As a nation we are bleeding jobs to China and other Asian countries and you want the blue collar workers and their families to embrace these people who broke the Federal Laws to get here and continue to break the law by remaining. And before you get on your white horse and start yelling bigot or prejudice, my best friend throughout my service in the Air Force was a guy named Eddie Juarez. He called himself a,"Tex Mex", from Brownsville, Texas. We watched each other’s six and both came home alive and in one piece. So shove your comments about any prejudice you want to see here in my statements. My Great, Great, Great Grandparents on my mother’s side came here in 1792 from Ireland and my Great, Great Grandparents came here from Ireland in the mid 1800's. So yes we all come from an immigrant past. The difference is that they ALL came here legally! And I do not care if you’re Mexican, English, Japanese or Irish; if you came here illegally you should not be rewarded because enough illegal immigrants had enough children to mean something to the crooked politicians who afraid the children of illegals might vote against them in the next Federal Election! The politicians do not give a rat’s ass about these illegals, as I stated they are concerned with the children of the illegals that could swing an election. And, because our forefathers did not want King George declaring the children of Englishmen part of his kingdom, we included in the Constitution that anyone born on American soil is an American regardless of their parent’s status. That needs to be changed with an amendment ASAP!

Let's talk about who really benefits, besides the Illegal Aliens, with the Illegals working here. It is the employer who hires these people as independent contractors and therefore they, the employers of Illegals, do not have to pay their part of the Social Security Tax that they would have to pay if they hired an American and they get away with no Workers Comp. Insurance and no medical. The Illegals have flooded into every Blue Collar job there is to be had. I know, I live in Southern California, and have seen firsthand what the Illegals do to the American workers standard of living by depressing wages. Let’s not forget the fact that here they have flooded the public hospital system here in California to a point that is almost useless to the Americans that would normally be using it. I know personally from the experience my father had while being struck down with cancer and did not have medical coverage at that time in his life. The backlog of patients primarily came from Illegal Aliens that were having their illegal children who would become automatic citizens and illegal family members attended to, while Americans had to wait in overcrowded facilities. The Illegals have been successful of entering every Blue Collar job there is. Not because of their superior work or dedication, but rather because they represent and are forms of the cheapest labor available and that is all these unethical employers care about, devastating the American Workers who have been displaced. The Senate states there are 11,000,000 Illegals here. I have seen figures that state there are as many as 20,000,000 Illegals in the U.S. Lets take the middle ground and say there are 15,000,000 Illegals here. That represents tens of millions of jobs Legal Americans could be doing in this down sized economy! Not only do the American Blue Collar Workers have to suffer from their jobs going to China, they have to contend with the fact that there would be millions of jobs they could be working at, if not for the Illegals that are here taking the food out of their families mouths.

Let’s talk about how the Illegal Aliens have flooded our schools with non-English speaking students that require special interpreters just to get the children enrolled. My daughter is a teacher who teaches all her children as equals regardless of whether they are here illegally. But, she has trouble with the parents on a daily basis, and most of the illegal parents cannot communicate on a level that allows the teachers to express the needs and concerns the teachers have about their children’s education.

You want to talk about the cost in Welfare that goes to the illegal parents of children that are born here, and the scam that they do not have a husband to care for the kids, so even though the parents are illegal the needs of the children are met, as well as paying for the Illegal mothers of these children that are born to Illegal Aliens that snuck into our country.

Again let’s talk about all the tax money the Illegal Workers do not pay, because they are hired as independent contractors and it is up to them to pay their own taxes and Social Security Taxes, as well as their Medicare Taxes. The Senators know the Illegals and their employers have skirted the Tax System with their scams, which is why they have included paying back taxes!

As a Californian, I have seen what Illegal Aliens and Illegal Workers have done to my State and can only pray the Republicans in the House stop this stupidity and pandering to the Latino Vote with the Bill the Senate would have us all embrace. I never thought the Republicans in the House and I would have some ideology in common. Go ahead and lay your Left Wing nonsense on me, I am in the mood for rebutting your comments with facts, which I have to live with every day.

I am sorry Marc I will write slower next time. I was just trying to point out your government cares more about what cows come into your country than what people do. You have completely lost control of your borders. Most countries would think that would be a threat to your national security. Don't you think you are sending the wrong signal to the world when you are giving in to people breaking the law entering the country.

I think the solution is simple. Here in we give people temporary work visas. they come here do the work pay Canada taxes then take the rest home. No different to thousands of Canada oil field workers going the Middle Reast, Soviet Union, Africa, and the South Pacific.

One could argue that this was their country before it was ours..before we stole it all...just like it was the Indian's country before we took it from them. It looks like at least the Mexicans are getting some of their land back...they now outnumber everyone else in California, anyway. And the Indians are getting something back, if you call Indian casinos and fishing rights in some areas something. I still think about the Trail of Tears and other atrocities white man selfishly committed against them. And, well, I just watched Django Unchained..and I couldn't help but think how many whites are now being treated just like a few treated the blacks in the deep south in those days. Well maybe that is a bit of an exaggeration...they don't tie us to trees and whip us mercilessly and hang us upside down and castrate us. Samuel L. Jackson's character was just brilliant and reminds me of a few people in out government whom I won't name. But maybe we can get S.L.J. to play President Obama one day. But, maybe he already has.

But, in many other ways we're all slaves now. To the few hoity-toity, pompous-a$$ed billionaires, we are all the "great unwashed". We are all struggling to survive and many of us aren't doing so well. I am doing just fine, myself. But that's right now...what about after gas goes up to $10.00/gal and groceries go up to several hundred dollars a bag. What if...what it...

So, having said all that what is my position on immigration? I think that the wealthy profits a great deal from the cheap labor they get from Mexican workers. I think that they have consistently skirted immigration law in order to get that cheap labor. Their public face scowls at the laborers who sneak across the border but they use the fact that these 'wetbacks' are here illegally so that they can keep their wages low and abuse them in other ways.

I think that if we are going to have immigration laws..they should be enforced. If they sneak across the border, then they are illegal. They have committed a crime. They should be deported. And I believe the wealthy employers should go to jail for hiring them. The problem is that these people take away job opportunities, even though they are not exactly top executive positions in corporations, from legal citizens and also puts a drain on benefits that legal citizens would have gotten. Some people argue that no American citizen would even want these jobs...working out in the fields...but if they were paid enough they would. It might increase the cost to us in the supermarkets..the wealthy certainly wouldn't miss an opportunity for an excuse to raise prices...they certainly are not going to take a hit or a reduction in their profits.
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A few years ago an old wild, stray cat comes limping into my yard...very skittish...ran off every time I even looked at him. I had wondered if it had been mistreated. It's a beautiful fluffy orange colored cat. I started to leave food out for him and he ate it. I made a little shelter for him and even put a heating pad in the bottom to warm him (maybe it's a her, I don't know). That cat just finally started to not run off and even lets me pet him a little now(but he will still hiss at me if I make any sudden moves). And just recently,
another stray black cat, a much younger cat, shows up and tries to steal the orange cat's food. (he must be a capitalist) So I started feeding him/her too. That younger cat is very friendly but he/she is such a pig..he eats all I give him then goes over and finishes what the older orange cat didn't eat..and still wants more. The orange cat can't eat very much at any one time..I have to feed him more frequently..but smaller amounts. If I hadn't fed that old orange cat he would most likely be long dead and I have to protect him against the younger cat who would steal everything he/she could from the orange cat.

It will stop female poice officers from asking,"Is that a gun in your pocket or are yu glad to see me?"