It will be very interesting to see the out come of these two money makers. Which one will be satisfied first : "Cliff or Sandy" ? I,m betting on Sandy, because the Wall Street bankers and insurance companies will be connected with Sandy's government billing issues first,and with Federal Reserve allocating 40 billion a month: mortgage backed securities;well,Cliff will just have to wait. Beside,ladies are first anyway !
Would someone please tell me what "my fair share" of total taxes on my income is?
50% total taxes on my income? I will take this rate right now- nothing would make me happier than if I could keep 50 cents on every dollar I earn.
60% total taxes on my income?
70% total taxes on my income?
80% total taxes on my income?
90% total taxes on my income?
100% total taxes on my income?
Over 100%?? How much of my income do the consumers from the government nipple want from the legitimate higher income producers that are paying for their "Free" Obama phones, contraception, housing, foodstamps, etc? And if the high income producers (Bernie Madoff etc) are making thier money illegally- we have 100's of laws on the books to take care of that injustice.
And if you want to trot out the 90% +/- maximum marginal income tax rates from the 1950s- will you also roll back every other stinking federal, state, and local tax and tax breaks back to the same 1950 levels???
So would one of you smart progressives explain to me what my "fair share" really is? I can't wait for your logical and cogent replies.......and then also explain to me why I should continue to bust my butt working 60 to 70 hours a week to end up paying 60% or more of my total income to some Obama phone user….
One positive outcome of raising tax rates on upper brackets is that it discourages sucking obscene amounts of money out of corporations by executives in the form of salary and bonuses and encourages rolling that money back into the business - thus more jobs - thus more taxes.
There are numerous stable economy-stimulating tax policy solutions which could be enacted if the absurd concept of supply side economics was abandoned.
However, as long as the congress is composed of morons there will be a long trail of moronic solutions, each more destructive than the last.
the anti tax meme...pretty sad, if a cat like myself knowing the state of the country and having been victim of flat wage for 15 years waiting for some of that there trickling is willing to kick in an extra 1-2%, that the bosses i am but a minioin to, you know the ones that live in $1,000,ooo homes and drive benzes and vaction at thier cottages on the sound, sailing those lovely 40 footers that they make me go down and polish the teak on, yeah that ilk? yup those folks, why they can't. actually it was a great thread argument all day over on one of the news web sights...
It seems like so little to ask those who have much to at least pay their FAIR share.
It's the only way we'll get people back to work and improve the economy. The people with ALL the money need to put it back into circulation and bring it back into the country they earned it in. Business must be taxed generously, but they must receive breaks for training workers, for hiring workers, and for improving infrastructure. Business uses the roads and bridges and railways and waterways and docks--the wealthy need to contribute like the rest of us to their maintenance and creation.
When their house is on fire, do they not call the fire department? If they have a heart attack, do they not call the EMTs? If their home is broken into, do they not call the police? These are all services paid for by our taxes. We should ALL contribute at the same level/rate. These services are not free, and those with more than the rest of us shouldn't get off the hook.
We didn't vote the million/billionaire into office; this is our Occupy Wall Street moment; this is why we are not in the streets protesting and tarring and feathering the wealthy. We are sick of the rich. We spoke with our vote--that is the mandate.
Listen or continue at your peril, because people will tire of putting their children to bed hungry--this is the seed of the terrorist.
The 99% provided another sociopathic mandate, again.
With 49.3% voting for the corporate party's money manufactured really retrograde Republican, and 49.9% voting for the corporate party's money manufactured deeply depraved Democrat, 99.2% voted in corporate party solidarity together to provide yet another massive popular vote mandate for corporate persons to decide what all the policies controlling natural persons and the destruction of Nature will be, again.
99.2% of America's voters voted for a continuum of corporatism's sociopathy, ensuring that our young will have no future worth having, if they have any future at all.
Nothing does both stupid and evil as consummately well as (D) "progressives" do... those gutless disingenuous, degenerate, devious, despicable, deeply depraved "progressive" Democrats.
When Ann Romney repeated the word "SERVICE" again and again in that interview on The View, all of the sudden I thought she was trying to say that Mormons do service for our country when they go on their missions.
I asked myself, "Wwhy would I feel this way in response to her words?"
All I could come up with is this question: Do Mormons on "missions" abroad work for the CIA as informants or watchers or messengers or drop points or something?
I would never have thought of that question if Ann Romney had not been so ADAMANT that Mormon missionary work abroad is "SERVICE" EVERY BITequal to that of service in the navy or military.
This article makes me wonder even more. Mormons do seem to be deeply motivated in ways that bring up even more questions.
You're darn tootin. Since the billionaires spent that much money to try to flip the election, they sure as H-E double hockey sticks have enough money to pay their fair share of taxes and not pretend that Entitlements can pick up the slack.
"If they don’t – and if they continue their economy-crashing agenda – then they’re committing political suicide and, tragically, risk taking the country down with them."
Thom: Unfortunately, the Republicans signalled their intent to do exactly this when Obama was first elected. They said they would rather see the country crash than to see Obama succeed. I believe they are willing to make good on their threat. The Republicans no doubt view their actions as those of patriots. I see them as traitors, to their country and to the oath of office they took. They are putting their pledge to Grover Norquist ahead of the interests of the country as a whole.
The Republicans in the House of Representatives would prefer to see the United States go into another recession than to make it look like the President is correct. John Boehner may want to play nice with the President and the Democrats but Paul Ryan, Michelle Bachman and their tea party friends would prefer to wreck the country than do what is right. The last time Boehner tried to get Paul Ryan to play ball, Ryan stole the ball and left the room taking the tea party with him. Unless John Boehner has grown a pair during the election I expect that Paul Ryan will continue to jerk him around.
Do you think anyone maybe should have listened to Ron Paul. Hope This country can be saved from ourself before it is too late. Taxing the rich is not going to be the salvation.
So funny seeing all the comments about "where Romney went wrong"...the 99 percent are still more important than the 1 percent, if this is still America. Let's get back to "Trickling up" and making America the land of opportunity for all it's supposed to be.
You are so right, the math does not add up. But remember we just had an election and it appears that deficit spending is not an issue, we just have the federal reserve print that money and inflate our way out. The voters have spoken and like a bunch of spoiled brats at Christmas it will be forward right over the cliff, screw all those suckers that saved money all their life, that money is worthless. Face it, the country has become a bunch of dumb down fools that our parents generation would be ashamed of. Santa Clause is the new hero.
The R's are not going to change. It's always their way or the hi-way...even if there were only two in the whole Congress, they'd be this way. Boehner has already said where he stands. They almost seem like traitors.
All I can hope for is that Obama gets a spine and rams this down their throats. Bi-partisanship hasn't worked. Austerity doesn't work, it never has and Greece is proof if you don't want to go back and look at the Great Depression and se what happened when they tried it then with an awful economy.
There are plenty of "shovel ready" jobs out on the East Coast. Let's put people to work instead of taking their last dimes
I think the 2012 deficit is close to 1.5 trillion. The Fourtune 500 after tax earnings for 2011 was $850 billion so tax all the biggest evil corporations all their obsicene profits plus the rich and we will still be over a half a trillion short! OR double the tax on everyone who makes $100,000 and that will do it. The Pres. and every one in Congress knowes these numbers and now so do all of you. These numbers are so HUGE it will take a LOT OF PAIN to solve this problem. Which is not likely to get any one involved re-elected.
The game of Monopoly has a few rules but I've never heard a libertarian suggest that those rules be done away with. That suggestion would be blatantly absurd because the game wouldn't work any more. However, they reserve that suggestion for the real world.
Two factors that played a part in the Obama win are: 1) The reasonable GOP candidates were weeded out early on in the primary and only the crazies and extreme ideologues were left standing. 2) A caller today mentioned that the welfare queen myth was debunked. A caller on Thom's or another show a while back; ---I think the context was the occupy movement--- said that with the declining middle class, people losing homes, people can't afford health care, etc.; a lot of whites were experiencing or seeing friends and relatives experience, what minorities had had to endure for generations.
We didn't get into that big debt in just a year. It took 10+ years to get there, it will take time. If people aren't working no revenue being paid in. If we have to spend more to get people back to work so be it, better then spending funds on misplaced war making!
If Romney had won, I would have posted a quote from the Bible on Facebook. I didn't get around to looking it up, but it's the part where the people of Jerusalem ask for Barabbas the criminal instead of Jesus the wiseman.
you are absolutely right and I really dont believe theyre smart enough to go the route of passing anything that will benefit the middle class or make obama look good even though it is a new term., these people are living in another world and different society than most and still cant grasp reality.!
It will be very interesting to see the out come of these two money makers.
Which one will be satisfied first : "Cliff or Sandy" ? I,m betting on Sandy,
because the Wall Street bankers and insurance companies will be connected with
Sandy's government billing issues first,and with Federal Reserve allocating 40 billion
a month: mortgage backed securities;well,Cliff will just have to wait. Beside,ladies
are first anyway !
Would someone please tell me what "my fair share" of total taxes on my income is?
50% total taxes on my income? I will take this rate right now- nothing would make me happier than if I could keep 50 cents on every dollar I earn.
60% total taxes on my income?
70% total taxes on my income?
80% total taxes on my income?
90% total taxes on my income?
100% total taxes on my income?
Over 100%?? How much of my income do the consumers from the government nipple want from the legitimate higher income producers that are paying for their "Free" Obama phones, contraception, housing, foodstamps, etc? And if the high income producers (Bernie Madoff etc) are making thier money illegally- we have 100's of laws on the books to take care of that injustice.
And if you want to trot out the 90% +/- maximum marginal income tax rates from the 1950s- will you also roll back every other stinking federal, state, and local tax and tax breaks back to the same 1950 levels???
So would one of you smart progressives explain to me what my "fair share" really is?
I can't wait for your logical and cogent replies.......and then also explain to me why I should continue to bust my butt working 60 to 70 hours a week to end up paying 60% or more of my total income to some Obama phone user….
One positive outcome of raising tax rates on upper brackets is that it discourages sucking obscene amounts of money out of corporations by executives in the form of salary and bonuses and encourages rolling that money back into the business - thus more jobs - thus more taxes.
There are numerous stable economy-stimulating tax policy solutions which could be enacted if the absurd concept of supply side economics was abandoned.
However, as long as the congress is composed of morons there will be a long trail of moronic solutions, each more destructive than the last.
the anti tax meme...pretty sad, if a cat like myself knowing the state of the country and having been victim of flat wage for 15 years waiting for some of that there trickling is willing to kick in an extra 1-2%, that the bosses i am but a minioin to, you know the ones that live in $1,000,ooo homes and drive benzes and vaction at thier cottages on the sound, sailing those lovely 40 footers that they make me go down and polish the teak on, yeah that ilk? yup those folks, why they can't. actually it was a great thread argument all day over on one of the news web sights...
It seems like so little to ask those who have much to at least pay their FAIR share.
It's the only way we'll get people back to work and improve the economy. The people with ALL the money need to put it back into circulation and bring it back into the country they earned it in. Business must be taxed generously, but they must receive breaks for training workers, for hiring workers, and for improving infrastructure. Business uses the roads and bridges and railways and waterways and docks--the wealthy need to contribute like the rest of us to their maintenance and creation.
When their house is on fire, do they not call the fire department? If they have a heart attack, do they not call the EMTs? If their home is broken into, do they not call the police? These are all services paid for by our taxes. We should ALL contribute at the same level/rate. These services are not free, and those with more than the rest of us shouldn't get off the hook.
We didn't vote the million/billionaire into office; this is our Occupy Wall Street moment; this is why we are not in the streets protesting and tarring and feathering the wealthy. We are sick of the rich. We spoke with our vote--that is the mandate.
Listen or continue at your peril, because people will tire of putting their children to bed hungry--this is the seed of the terrorist.
The 99% provided another sociopathic mandate, again.
With 49.3% voting for the corporate party's money manufactured really retrograde Republican, and 49.9% voting for the corporate party's money manufactured deeply depraved Democrat, 99.2% voted in corporate party solidarity together to provide yet another massive popular vote mandate for corporate persons to decide what all the policies controlling natural persons and the destruction of Nature will be, again.
99.2% of America's voters voted for a continuum of corporatism's sociopathy, ensuring that our young will have no future worth having, if they have any future at all.
Nothing does both stupid and evil as consummately well as (D) "progressives" do... those gutless disingenuous, degenerate, devious, despicable, deeply depraved "progressive" Democrats.
www.chenangogreens.org
When Ann Romney repeated the word "SERVICE" again and again in that interview on The View, all of the sudden I thought she was trying to say that Mormons do service for our country when they go on their missions.
I asked myself, "Wwhy would I feel this way in response to her words?"
All I could come up with is this question: Do Mormons on "missions" abroad work for the CIA as informants or watchers or messengers or drop points or something?
I would never have thought of that question if Ann Romney had not been so ADAMANT that Mormon missionary work abroad is "SERVICE" EVERY BITequal to that of service in the navy or military.
This article makes me wonder even more. Mormons do seem to be deeply motivated in ways that bring up even more questions.
You're darn tootin. Since the billionaires spent that much money to try to flip the election, they sure as H-E double hockey sticks have enough money to pay their fair share of taxes and not pretend that Entitlements can pick up the slack.
@Mauiman: Your assumption that the deficit has to be cleared from one year's tax reciepts is typical Fox News mis-information and rubbery figures.
Sorry, these Republican lies and mis-direction attempts just don't wash anymore. Ask Rush for some new talk points.
Phil,
If the Republicans wanted a rcession they would have voted to let the Bush tax cuts expire 2 years ago and Obama would now be history.
Republicans crashing the country:
"If they don’t – and if they continue their economy-crashing agenda – then they’re committing political suicide and, tragically, risk taking the country down with them."
Thom: Unfortunately, the Republicans signalled their intent to do exactly this when Obama was first elected. They said they would rather see the country crash than to see Obama succeed. I believe they are willing to make good on their threat. The Republicans no doubt view their actions as those of patriots. I see them as traitors, to their country and to the oath of office they took. They are putting their pledge to Grover Norquist ahead of the interests of the country as a whole.
The Republicans in the House of Representatives would prefer to see the United States go into another recession than to make it look like the President is correct. John Boehner may want to play nice with the President and the Democrats but Paul Ryan, Michelle Bachman and their tea party friends would prefer to wreck the country than do what is right. The last time Boehner tried to get Paul Ryan to play ball, Ryan stole the ball and left the room taking the tea party with him. Unless John Boehner has grown a pair during the election I expect that Paul Ryan will continue to jerk him around.
Do you think anyone maybe should have listened to Ron Paul. Hope This country can be saved from ourself before it is too late. Taxing the rich is not going to be the salvation.
So funny seeing all the comments about "where Romney went wrong"...the 99 percent are still more important than the 1 percent, if this is still America. Let's get back to "Trickling up" and making America the land of opportunity for all it's supposed to be.
Hold on to your lug nuts, I think it is time for an overhaul. They asked for it and we are going to get it.
You are so right, the math does not add up. But remember we just had an election and it appears that deficit spending is not an issue, we just have the federal reserve print that money and inflate our way out. The voters have spoken and like a bunch of spoiled brats at Christmas it will be forward right over the cliff, screw all those suckers that saved money all their life, that money is worthless. Face it, the country has become a bunch of dumb down fools that our parents generation would be ashamed of. Santa Clause is the new hero.
The R's are not going to change. It's always their way or the hi-way...even if there were only two in the whole Congress, they'd be this way. Boehner has already said where he stands. They almost seem like traitors.
All I can hope for is that Obama gets a spine and rams this down their throats. Bi-partisanship hasn't worked. Austerity doesn't work, it never has and Greece is proof if you don't want to go back and look at the Great Depression and se what happened when they tried it then with an awful economy.
There are plenty of "shovel ready" jobs out on the East Coast. Let's put people to work instead of taking their last dimes
I think the 2012 deficit is close to 1.5 trillion. The Fourtune 500 after tax earnings for 2011 was $850 billion so tax all the biggest evil corporations all their obsicene profits plus the rich and we will still be over a half a trillion short! OR double the tax on everyone who makes $100,000 and that will do it. The Pres. and every one in Congress knowes these numbers and now so do all of you. These numbers are so HUGE it will take a LOT OF PAIN to solve this problem. Which is not likely to get any one involved re-elected.
The game of Monopoly has a few rules but I've never heard a libertarian suggest that those rules be done away with. That suggestion would be blatantly absurd because the game wouldn't work any more. However, they reserve that suggestion for the real world.
What I like best about the election results:
KARL ROVE WASTED $300,000,000!!!!
Maybe next time he'll try buying votes directly.
Re. values v. demographics in the election:
Two factors that played a part in the Obama win are: 1) The reasonable GOP candidates were weeded out early on in the primary and only the crazies and extreme ideologues were left standing. 2) A caller today mentioned that the welfare queen myth was debunked. A caller on Thom's or another show a while back; ---I think the context was the occupy movement--- said that with the declining middle class, people losing homes, people can't afford health care, etc.; a lot of whites were experiencing or seeing friends and relatives experience, what minorities had had to endure for generations.
Dan, San Diego.
We didn't get into that big debt in just a year. It took 10+ years to get there, it will take time. If people aren't working no revenue being paid in. If we have to spend more to get people back to work so be it, better then spending funds on misplaced war making!
If Romney had won, I would have posted a quote from the Bible on Facebook. I didn't get around to looking it up, but it's the part where the people of Jerusalem ask for Barabbas the criminal instead of Jesus the wiseman.
Yearly budget deficit- 1 trilion dollars
Tax dollars from a "tax the rich" tax- 50-100 billion a year
Where is the rest going to come from? Sorry this "tax the rich" scheme the Dems have been pounding is symbolism over substance at its best.
you are absolutely right and I really dont believe theyre smart enough to go the route of passing anything that will benefit the middle class or make obama look good even though it is a new term., these people are living in another world and different society than most and still cant grasp reality.!