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With all due respect, just so you know Mr. Hartmann, considering the fact that you guys are saying the Occupy Movement is such a great thing that is needed (which is true), I take issue with your relentless call to go support and "infiltrate" the Democratic Party. You, Mr. Hartmann, such an intelligent and accomplished intellectual, had nothing to do with the radical intellectual foundation of the movement. You cling to the Democratic Party. If you and a good chunk of your listeners were completely in charge of the left (the ones who whole-heartedly support the Democratic Party), the movement still wouldn't have started.
But you really can't have it both ways. I have now been to Occupy Minnesota, Occupy Philadelphia, and Occupy Wall Street, and everybody is saying dump the Democratic Party. People have had enough. We are done. At a march in Philly we chanted "what we need is revolution, Democrats are no solution." I challenge you to the look in the mirror; it's time for a gut check. If you guys are going to embrace the "99%" rhetoric of the Occupy Movement and say you support it, then you should also seriously consider ending your pleas to "infiltrate" the Democratic Party.
This movement is a result of the Death of the Liberal Class. And this is why Chris Hedges gets it, but you do not. Get radical and get with the program, or get out of the way.
Yea, that is how the logic works of such a stupid system that should be discarded. Let's just buy more stuff and everything will be okay. Yea, you'll be at the store buying the last product ever made as the last exploitable natural resource on the planet is gobbled up by this destructive and unsustainable system. I am 24. I still have to live on this planet for the next however many years. And generations need to live on the planet after that. You look a tad older. Think about the future. Think about the internal logic of this system: that infinite is possible and more is better. What we need is not to re-industrialize, make more useless shit, and buy more useless shit. We need radically resilient and sustainable communities. Permaculture. Transition Towns. We need 50 million organic farmers in this country. The goal should NOT be growth.
Pulladigm. Think. Infinite economic growth is not possible on a finite planet. We are facing ecological crisis. Climate change. Mass extinction. Ecosystem depletion. Also, we are facing peak oil, which is the lifeblood of the global economy, what allows your "goods" to be transported everywhere. Your solution is more, while my solution is some variation of better, smarter, smaller, different, and less. Get creative. I am sick of hearing about all this "buy more" crap and it will be okay.
Our economic models, the short-sighted and stupid academic ideological creation of very recent human history, were only charted and studied in the boom era of post World War 2 history, when resources, especially oil, have been abundant. As far as the environment is concerned, we are facing peak everything. When the oil runs out (which, many scientists and geologists say we are at peak oil), your little comment about buying more stuff will be revealed for the petty, narrow, cultural brainwash that it is.
I, for one, find this sort of tracking/spying very disturbing. It's not o.k. with me. It does make me feel better about not having a smartphone. Of course it may be on my non-smart phone as well. Who knows?
BTW:Just in case others hadn't yet brought it up, the company's statement, that Thom showed at the beginning of the segment, said that CarrierIQ does not sell the information to anyone. Call me a skeptic, but that doesn't mean that they're not GIVING the information away, does it? To me, this CarrierIQ makes me think of the government email-scouring software called Raptor. I would not doubt if this information is given to the government for scouring without money changing hands. Of course I also believe that Go(vernment)ogle may do the same. O.K., maybe I am paranoid, but I didn't get this way without constant reinforcement of such thinking.
I'm amazed that there are still some people who speak of Obama as someone better than Bush. You sure can't compare him to FDR, that's for sure. He'll never be anything close to FDR. He's bush's doppelganger. And he is about to invade Iran...I fear. When countries, like France, start pulling out diplomats and embassies, it is a pretty good sign that something is about to happen. It is no surprise that the US would send in spies into Iran...and when they are captured...it tends to give the US yet another false flag excuse to invade.
Obama is proof that it really doesn't matter who is President....the criminally insane and greedy ruling elite controls the President. These people are ruthless and will stop at nothing. And if blackmail doesn't work for the ruling elite, then even assassination is not without historical precedence...JFK, RFK, MLK, and many more.
All these ambitious people running for President will never level with the people and they fully expect to tell many lies just to "win" the office of the Presidency. What kind of a country is it that does not hold the President accountable for how he presented himself when campaigning? He pretended that he would represent us and fight for us...but he has done nothing but represent Wall Street and actually fought against us.
Michael Hudson, economist:
". It used to be that if you ran a fraud, if you cheated people, if you lied on your income tax and falsified statistics, then you would be sent to jail. But the Obama administration has appointed Eric Holder to represent Wall Street. He has not thrown any bankers in jail, recognizing that they are the major campaign contributors of the party, after all."
"So what began as anger has become a gathering awareness that Mr. Obama was simply fooling voters instead of leading the change he promised. That’s what politicians do, of course. But people hoped that he might be different. That was the gullibility he played on. He has turned into the nightmare they thought they were voting against. "
"The man whom Mr. Obama asked to be his mentor when he joined the Senate was Joe Lieberman. He evidently gave Obama expert advice about how to raise funds from the financial class by delivering his liberal constituency to his Wall Street campaign contributors. So the problem is not that President Obama is well meaning but inept – an idealist who just can’t fight the vested interests and insiders. He’s thrown in his lot with them. In fact, he really seems to believe the right-wing, pro-Wall Street ideology – that the economy can’t function without a financial system that guarantees “savers” (the top 1%) against loss, even when the bottom 99% have to pay more and more."
"And on a personal level, Mr. Obama knows that his fund raising comes mainly from Wall Street, and the only way to get this money is to sell out his constituency."
"The upshot is that we now have a political nightmare. Yet Mr. Obama still seems to be the best that the Democrats can offer! This is why I think the protestors are saying they are not going to let the Democrats jump in front of the parade to try and mobilize support for their party. Like the Irish say: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” They realize that the financial system is broken and that neither party is trying to do much about it. So the political system has to be changed as well as the economic system. "
http://michael-hudson.com/2011/11/reforming-the-u-s-financial-and-tax-sy...
Peoples of these United States of America! As elected president of these United States of America, Ron Paul will have signed his death warrant if he goes against the interests of those who control American foreign policy today, and many of you still do not understand this at all. You sing in your patriotic songs for Ron Paul to save the Constitution and fuel the Revolution. You have no idea what you are talking about, nor what forces Ron Paul is already up against.
Remember when President Obama was campaigning and he told the peoples that "no lobbist would run his White House chair?" (paraphrased) Look how the peoples believed him and look what happened before he ever came to power. He ended up promising the lobbists and their supporters, AND ISRAEL, all the American support the United States could muster. Whatever the lobbists and Israel wanted, he, Obama would make sure they all got.
He, Obama, then sat in the chair in the White House surrounded by lobbists and all of their tentacles, and now those tentacles are reaching into the homes of each citizen of these United States of America, dictating every policy Israel wants put into place using the Congress and Senate.
As the people begin to understand who controls their country, the hammer comes down on them all the harder to keep these, the Peoples of these United States of America from rising up and throwing out the foreign controlled powers and their worker eyes.
The 1% and their worker eyes are afraid of a second French Revolution and little else so they have prepared the 800 concentration camps as well as camps overseas to put the people into. From Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American Domestic Security
You must understand that a departure from current U.S. militaristic foreign policy which is a foreign policy in support of the interests of Israel exclusively is JUST NOT PERMITTED. - Cygnus1
Zionist lobbies demonizing Ron Paul"Press TV talks with Mark Dankof, former US Senate candidate in San Antonio who compares Ron Paul's rising popularity and clear and principled rhetoric to 1990s presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, also against the Israeli lobby, who was systematically attacked and brought down by Zionist-controlled US media. Following is a transcript of the interview."
sources: links: poorrichardsblog and www.whatreallyhappened.com
No, I am not currently of the 7%. Although, I've had to close my freelance editing/writing business last year when money for education dried up for good. My husband is still employed for now, but he expects his company to close the plant within 2 years. A new plant in India will be taking that work.
We will be okay because our small farm is debt-free and we are debt-free and have been saving our entire marriage. We can grow our own food. We both have college degrees and skills. We have made the adjustments, but we have never been able to live a high lifestyle.
We are considered to be baby-boomers (1957 and 1960), but find that our generation has not had the benefits of the real boomers. Class reunions have been the eye-opener, when we find that classmates have the same struggles. We have had to struggle our entire adult lives. Our college degrees, which we paid for ourselves, have not moved us into those high paying jobs--those are already occupied by early boomers. We have had to move from job to job for slighty better pay or benefits. Hell, I was editing physics and chemistry journals for $7.25/hr in the 1990s.
The Occupy Wall Street movement is vital to restoring the dignity and vitality of the middle-class worker in United States--to restoring the US economy and its greatness. Stupid blind greed is destroying our country. It's about time people are standing up. Now if we can get EVERY worker to walk away from his machine, get up from her desk and take to the streets, then I think something can be done. Until then, the money machine will continue to mow us down.
"Second Republican Depression" -- HA, I like that! I admire how you stage facts, it is downright art. Until Steve Keene was in your show, I had been mentally drifting. Willing to change my 30s movie/ song/ dance stuff on a political path, but I didn't know how. You had been speaking of a new depression for a couple days, and when Keene replied, "Yes we are", I knew I had to do radical things. And this is all because your show gives me a lot of power. I occupied my own blog -- sort of sprayed over the old fancy header pic "occupied". LOL
We have to review two 1933 movies: 42ND STREET and GOLD DIGGERS OF 1933. In the 2nd one you find it all: a show being foreclosed and girls layed off, getting into misery. The final MY FORGOTTEN MAN is our Irak/Afghanistan veteran....homeless, jobless, unappreciated. And in those two films they already speak of "depression" (not yet "Great Depression"). 42ND STREET was mainly made in 1932, so they already said that in 1932.
Fall 1929 + 3 years = fall 1932 /// fall 2008 + 3 years = fall 2011 (!)
I hope very much, history won't repeat -- right now it doesn't look like that. Because late 1932 was really horrible. Then in early 1933 the U.S. economy was absolutely stunned. Well, Hoover was just leaving and Roosevelt was about to get into office. Thanks God Bush is already kicked out of office, and thanks God we still have Obama! Or do we need another creepy winter 1932/ 1933?
We have to re-discover MY FORGOTTEN MAN. Occupy the traditional jazz bands and have them play that. They should occupy themselves and play that out on the streets. It was a Roosevelt thing too: Roosevelt was downright part of the film propaganda and he invited the whole film crew to join his inauguration. We aren't hippies -- we have tradition with real culture!
Yes, the occupy movement has tradition. Did you know they occupied apartments in the 30s and put the furniture of those who had been put out back? And union men reinstalled gas and water for those who had been put out.
Pulladigm, People are in love with money. Money gives them distinction and an advantage over others. Money caters to a spirit of competition, and sets them apart from others whom are their equals before the Universal ONENESS OF CREATION.
If people only had the money in their bank accounts, believe me, they would spend it on goods and services, and in that manner begin turning the wheels of the economy back into action. But they do not have money in their bank accounts. Many who work, work for minimum pay earning not enough to live, and too much to die. Others collect unemployment, but only for a short while, and then what? Become homeless? That is really not an option for someone wishing to retain his or her dignity. I would say, roughly 1/2 of the Peoples of these United States of America's working population are in no position to follow your advice when you say: "Go, and buy goods and services."
The other half of consumers "goes and buys goods and services," but it does not help those with empty bank accounts, because the cycle of money in circulation only benefits the owners of industry, and not the poor nor unemployed people. Owners of industry and banks are syphoning off from funds in circulation the few dollars that are left, only to waft them into accounts already stashed with billions. In addition, the monetary wealth of the few hardly ever gets spent on "goods and services" in sufficient amounts as to become the slightest help for the poor and unemployed to survive. We just cannot spend ourselves out of a depression if we don't have the funds to do so. That is the point we are trying to make.
We like what you said about what should happen to the employees of a corporation which goes bankrupt. The original owners should go and "fly kites", so to speak. In other words, become totally uninvolved in the destiny of the company they once owned, and from that time forth the employees should take over a DEBT FREE COMPANY, and run the place in their own best interest.
However, sir, if you are somewhat familiar with our posts of the past, then you will have found out that our position is to DISSOLVE the money system in its entirety, and let the people equally prosper on the basis of "demand for goods and services which provide a comfortable living for all." and no longer a luxurious life for a few 1 %. Who knows, a money-free world may yet become a reality after all, provided enough people pick up on this WELL KNOWN AND PRACTICED UNIVERSAL SYSTEM and run with all others who finally have come around to promote it.
You should understand the words the former President Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) spoke many years ago. His insight into the flaws of the banking system nearly got lost in the den of lies from today's money-mongering few. He said:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continant their fathers conquered."
President Jefferson's warning was not heeded, and what we have today is exactly what he feared would happen in the future. Well, the future has finally arrived, and Americans are losing their homes and livelihoods by the droves.
Pulladigm, the former President of these United States of America, Thomas Jefferson understood the nature of the problem which is "money" in all of its forms. He, did not, however, know what to do to counter the money trick, therein his understanding did not provide for the peoples the solution, so well known and practiced upon other worlds.
In this age the solution is here, and step by step the peoples must put it in motion, by first acquiring the understanding of what should not be done and then step into reverse the action to correct it for no further hardship on the peoples to arise. - Cygnus1
I know someone who is very wealthy and this person once bought me lunch when I was going through a difficult situation because she had just read a book that tells, "How to be generous." I am not kidding. She said it.
Over and over, on Fox News and Talk Radio shows, I hear the wealthy show hosts say that they don't get it and don't understand why the Occupy Wall Street Movement is continuing or what it is all about.
They are blinded and don't see. They have no clue.
But, the American People ARE listening and now people are aware of the situation and aware of what's going on in Washinging D. C. Aware of who is looking out for the American people.
One more thing, I thank God for Bernie Sanders.
A lot of Republicans are blinded to what they are doing and they don't know how they look to most the American People.
Perhaps they want the poor to just go and die so that they won't have to help them in anyway. Or that they should "Go get a job" even if very old. Simply put, they just don't care. These Sociopaths don't even realize that they are that way. They don't know how they look when they say these things. I have known rich people who are the same, they have NO CLUE. But they think that they do, and that they "care." The lack of empathy is so sad.
I felt we needed to write these few comments for the understanding of the peoples.
Firstly, do the Peoples of these United States know that the foreign-controlled U.S. Vice President, Mr. Biden, is in Turkey. He flew there on American taxpayers' money on an errand for Israel. Mr. Biden asked Turkey on behalf of Israel if they would forgive Israel from murdering the Turkish people upon the flotilla.
Using your money, your so-called Vice President of the United States of America is doing errands for Israel - not on behalf of the United States of America. Endlessly. The foreign-controlled U.S. government is continually funding Israel with warheads, chemical weapons and money. Endlessly. Mr. Biden and the foreign-controlled U.S. President Obama work on behalf of the Israeli Knesset, and not on behalf of the Peoples of these United States of America! ENDLESSLY.
Secondly, we do not believe Ron Paul is the lesser of three evils, for we do in no wise believe the man is evil at all. But even if the Peoples vote for him as their next president, the official result published may never show him as the winner of the race. The 1% would more likely see to his death by natural "causes" and tell the Peoples that old age struck him down. Ron Paul cannot do anything for anybody, anymore than any other candidate can do anything for anybody UNDER THIS AGE-OLD ROTTEN SYSTEM OF ECONOMICS!
And soon we will not be saying this any longer, for as much as we wish to assist the peoples of this world, sometimes it takes suffering to see the light, and fight for real change, and not after the age-old pattern of democracies, autocracies, dictatorships, monarchies, or theocracies.
Thirdly, our attention is drawn to the comment of Leighmf. Leighmf, you have a good head on your shoulders and your posts have become very helpful to the 99% as a whole. We hope to see some of what you say "implemented."
The sooner that you, the Peoples of these United States learn who runs your government, the sooner you will realise, as Palindromedary has stated "Voting is futile!"
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Israel's grand hypocrisy: Netanyahu slams "anti-liberal" Arab Spring
"Jonathan Cook argues tht whaile Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is keen to belittle the emerging democracies in the Arab world, his government is busy drafting laws that will snuff out human rights organizations and emasculate the country's media and Supreme Court - all in an effort to conceal the apartheid nature and human rights violations of the Israeli state."
DID YOU KNOW:
STATE OF ISRAEL SUES OCCUPIED WALL STREET MOVEMENT
Source www.whatreallyhappened.com
Peoples of these United States of America, UNTIL YOUR MILITARY AND POLICE FORCES REALISE THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM A U.S. PRESIDENT, BUT RATHER FROM A FOREIGN POWER WHICH THROWS THE CONSTITUTION IN THE FACE OF THE PEOPLES OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AS WELL AS PASSING A BILL TO THROW THE PEOPLES OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN PRISONS, EVEN PRISONS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY )SO NO UPRISING SHOULD OCCUR NEAR THE 800 CONCENTRATION CAMPS, INITIALLY), THESE UNITED STATES WILL CONTINUE TO CRUMBLE.
THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAVE BEEN INVADED OVER 200 YEARS AGO AND NOW YOU ARE REAPING THE FRUITS OF DOING NOTHING ABOUT THAT INVASION UNTIL IT IS ALMOST TOO LATE.
YOU DID NOT LISTEN THEN AND YOU, OF THE SAME GENERATION OF THE PAST, DO NOT LISTEN NOW!
YOU HAVE TURNED A DEAF EAR TOWARD THOSE WHO TRIED TO INFORM YOU OF THIS FACT AND NOW YOU ARE STUCK IN A QUAGMIRE UNLESS THE MILITARY AND POLICE FORCES ARE COMBINED TO RESCUE YOU OUT OF IT!
DEMAND QUANTATATIVE EASING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLES, AND PUT INTO PLACE THOSE WHO KNOW HOW TO GIVE IT TO YOU AMONGST YOUR RANKS. THIS WILL SUFFICE UNTIL THE ORIGINAL UNIVERSAL SYSTEM OF ECONOMICS WITHOUT CASH, CREDIT CARDS, STOCKS, BONDS, CHEQUES, AND SO ON, IS PUT IN PLACE.
IF YOU, THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD DO NOT ATTEND TO THIS IN TIME YOU WILL ALWAYS BE ENSLAVED BY THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO RULE OVER YOU NOW! - Cygnus!
I have said it before and I will say it again and again and again and again until somebody listens. The only way to grow an economy is for people, people like you and I, to buy goods and services. The only way for people to buy goods and services is if they have money. Money enough to meet their bills with enough left over to save a little, to buy a few extras maybe a small luxury now and then. That is how you grow an economy. The more people that prosper will bring prosperity to more people. That is how the economy grows
Not by giving it to millionaires. I like most people have played the lottery game. You know,"If I won the lottery what would I do?" I found that if I bought my wife and I bought everything we ever wanted paid all our debts, paid all our expenses 20 years in advance and set aside enough to live for the next 20 years it would come to less than $700,000.
So what, I ask, what will someone who makes over a million dollars every year spend their money on that will create jobs. It is beyond my wildest imagination how a billionaire would spend their money to create jobs.
Give the money to banks? Banks created this depression, make no mistake, this is a depression. Banks created this problem by reckless speculation and investing in air, in nothing, in smoke. We balled them out and they pocketed the money and told the rest of us to go "piss up a rope."
If it is too big to fail it is too big to exist.
When a company fails we, the government, should help the employees to form a corporation. We, the government, should help finance the employee owned corporation and let them run the company. They couldn't do any worse than the people who ran the company into the ground. The employee/shareholders will decide who is in charge. The employee/shareholders will decide how the company is run. How to share the profits. That will create jobs and those jobs will create more Jobs
I have said it before and I will say it again and again and again and again until somebody listens. The only way to grow an economy is for people, people like you and I, to buy goods and services.
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If you want things the way they used to be- tax a millionaire, support a union and buy American.
i watch the picture all u can say to yoit guest is hial hitler you DUMB S O B
The only end I see to the corruption world wide is self sustaninability and to stop playing into the hands of those who only want division of the people. They hate people banding together as they lose control and power. We have given them this control and power by being apathetic over the years and thinking that as people we didn't have any power. As one single person you have a lot less than a whole group. This is what scares the governments and I only see this spreading until common decency is restored.
http://petsittingbrisbane.com
the question presented on the mother jones page was 'how do YOU cope'?
um...move to holland? like, after bush stole the election the FIRST time...? colder than berkeley, but no problem paying for the oil...amazingly civilized country...guns are illegal. very few homeless/hungry... good example for the rest of the world, imo...good luck to y'all. seriously.
So they impuned the tents and camping, much less a health hazard than the shanty towns of the Great Depression, which were ignored, showing that these days municipal permits and police are all that it takes to keep the public from too much free assembly.
That is why the Protest needs to be ratched up a notch-
Oh how I've learned not to buck bureaucracy, speak with a lawyer, or call The Department of Transportation "The Dumb Old Turkeys!"
Instead, to sustain a protest we must think like them, and do things while staying out of trouble in the same way as they do, the Objectionable Ones, 00 aka.
We must fight on their lawn of 'Diamond Point' zoysia.
Refuse to serve the rich and grant them special favors of your time and labor.
Catalog the things they need most, then charge the same price for the job, as say, an appendectomy, accompanied by a legitimate rationalization of the price. I always price my services as, my time is worth your time, and vice-versa. Elsewise, we don't work together.
Window washing, for instance- where would they be without window washers?
Car detailers could get a lot more than they have been asking.
Where I like to see prices really go sky high on syndicated property trusts is Landscape Maintenance. The rationale for charging almost gold for this work should be the ever rising cost of the many required insurances needed, workman's comp, trucks, and fuel.
If the servants quit serving, believe me, the helpless inbred are not going to be out there doing manual labor. Their areas of occupation will look like Tobacco Road within a year.
"Protogenally ugly"? Ugly of the first kind? Proto- = first, genus = kind, but the first is Greek and the second is Latin (and its root is actually "gener"), so I'm guessing the "gen" part is something else..
I wouldn't say that people with pre-existing conditions should pay more for health insurance, but it makes sense to use actuarials to discourage risks for future disease. Otherwise, you can end up with a tragedy of the commons wherein people take a lot of risks of far future trouble, which is easy for the human mind to ignore, because there's no extra cost in the present. And certainly E.F. Stone, if I've remembered his name right, didn't invent insurance; that's been around since at least 1800, so his opinion of it's purpose isn't necessarily exactly how it originated.
It seems to me that Ron Paul may be the lessor of the three evils. Though I don't agree with all of the Libertarian points, I sure don't agree with the Democrat/Republican goal of American Empire, endless wars, Government spying on US citizens, the endless war on drugs, as well as declaring that the US soil is a battlefield and it's citizens subject to indefinite detention & torture by the president.
The Corporation is an excellent movie. I enthusiastically second your recommendation.
SALON: Why Young Voters Love Ron Paul
As part of his role as a contributing writer for Salon.com, Sirota this week published an article looking at the real reason why so many young voters are flocking to Republican Ron Paul's presidential campaign. He also published a piece looking at how evangelical Christians are the group most likely to tell pollsters they are more loyal to their religion than to America. And he wrote a piece looking at why the same media that made hay over New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's weight is saying nothing about Newt Gingrich's weight. Read the article about Ron Paul here, the article about evangelical Christians here and the article about Gingrich here - then subscribe to Sirota's Salon.com RSS feed here.
Just reading the Republican presidential candidates stance on the mortgage scandal should be enough to jar any voter. Absiolutely no attempt at following 1000 year old protocol is advised by any Republican. Any mortgage servicer can foreclose on any property, whether they hold the title or deed, or not.
The bank's signature, committment to contract is absolutely worthless.
US has no where to go but up from the abyss we were pushed into I pray and work towards bearing the GOP in 2012 They are toxic to USA Our Jobs People Education- old sick - disabled. Anyone Not wealthy enough to donate tons of money aka bribes
Agreed ' Jesus said heal the sick ' Feed the hungry Not cut their funding ! Many of these Tea Bagger Evangelical Christians are self rightious p honies