So what are we supposed to do? Redistribute our wealth to saoffices post offices? Let's raise taxes so we can fund an inefficient entity. That would be the liberal way to do it.
The fact that the AFA in concordance with their minion group One Million Moms even posed this list of stores NOT to shop because they wond pander to the lowest common denominator shows what a sense of entitlement Fundamentalist Christians have. Vacuous F-tards.
After hearing the lovely comments from the guy from, I believe it was the Ameican Family?, I was surprised not to hear the obvious counterspin.
I volunteered, for a time, at a soup kitchen. it was mostly run by some religious based groups. I found them a bit odd, but they didn't make the poor sit through a sermon to get their food.
I did hear a sermon like speech from one the pastors that impressed me though.
He was commenting on the government and asked who is the govt in a democracy and said, "We are."
I find this the trick the right wing and libertarians use to fuel their propoganda. They make it seem that the govt is something other than us, as apposed to an extention of us.
It's not us deciding how we want our collective contributions spent, it's some foreign entity with a life of it's own.
When corrupted by money, it may seem that way, but I don't believe that was the intention of the founding fathers.
A Christian in a democracy is therefor a memebr of the govt and his decision to help the poor both personally and institutionally, should be equal morally.
All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
Benjamin Franklin, letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss "The Obama administration has affirmed, continued and expanded almost all of the draconian domestic civil liberties intrusions pioneered under the Bush administration. Here are twenty examples of serious assaults on the domestic rights to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, the right to privacy, the right to a fair trial, freedom of religion, and freedom of conscience that have occurred since the Obama administration has assumed power. Consider these and then... http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/20-examples-of-obama-administration.html
The cleansing of the temple parable also supports the principle of holding spiritual practices sacred and free from commercializaiton, Thom. Referance Matthew 21:12-14.
12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the chairs of them that sold doves:
13And he saith to them: It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but you have made it a den of thieves.
14And there came to him the blind and the lame in the temple; and he healed them.
Growing up in a fundamentalist Southern Baptist envirnoment having witnessed the conflation of religion and right-wing corporate politics firsthand while watching many of the faithful sleepwalk (or should I say "sleeprun") through the commercializaion of Christmas routine, I'm glad you confronted that issue head on. Thanks for inviting the AFA spokesman on the show.
Just listened to Peter Ferrara ranting on Thom's show. He claimed that Thom makes things up and flat out lies, and even went so far as to imply that his listeners just want to hear just that. Now I don't know whether Peter or Thom has the facts and are representing them honestly... but Thom's calm manner and effort to get real questions answered, vs Peter who talks fast, angrily and evades or try's to reword the question to his advantage does tend to make me have more faith in Thom. Now I can either choose to research the facts of either side, or I can choose to have faith in the person who had convinced me through the strength and style of their argument.
I can see why Thom is constantly advising his listeners that his choice to have as many right wingers on his show is to model an appropriate way to have a discussion with a right winger. The discussion is in no way going to change either participants point-of-view, but it may just influence anyone who may be observing the discussion.
I wish I had Thom's patience, I avoid political debates just because I don't, and have no wish to end up screaming like a buffoon and making a spectacle of myself.... like Peter Ferrara so aptly and reliably does when he comes on to the show.
Okay, so it wasn't Thom's fault then. Sorry, Thom.
I've heard some bizarre attempts at Latin plurals, including Sarah Silverman's abortion > abortii (which was a joke, at least), and Elvis > Elvi (even though the paradigm for "-is" gives Elvēs, which is funnier).
60 Minutes has just produced a hard-hitting 14 minutes segment on the widespread fraud leading up to the financial crisis, and the utter lack of prosecutions to date.
Oh, thank you for visiting the website dedicated to my kin!
Yes, it is very elaborate because the Organization made it impossible a century ago for anyone to make needle-in-a-haystack connections when their 100-year phony mortgage bonds become "due" in the future. Otherwise they would have been caught by now. America's Greatest Crime spans the lifetime careers of at least four detectives already.
I just today discovered that Bunny Mellon was married to a top Navy cryptologist, before Mellon. Most of our problem is that through the Civil War, World Wars and the Great Depression (notice, same sticker symbol as General Dynamics, GD), overly-wealthy bankers have been in top secret positions also serving as Secretaries of the Treasury.
BNY (Bank of New York) is very cryptographic for "Bunny," also an OSS code name for an agent concerned with IRAQ. Bunny and Buffalo, OSS.
I am quite close to digesting the whole story AND explaining the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa and the losses of Teamsters Pension funds, with the same basic Lincoln mobsters entangled in the assassinations. They have the biggest vaults, therefore, the biggest guns.
I will explain "The Bunny Lincoln Hit" as the word "Bunny" seems to have been planted in my head as a baby - the name to call Frank Kryder's wife, my grandmother, LeVonne. It wasn't her bridge club nickname. I was always told that I made up the name, and in the family she was known as Bunny. Bunny lived on Riverside Drive, and Riverside Cemetery was an entity used by the Prescott Bush CIA.
Other mistakes besides bankers being appointed into secret departments and ex-generals being appointed corporation presidents, is that particularly in the big gangster days, criminal lawyers came into contact with the land's wealthiest criminals. These criminal lawyers learned their ways, coveted hidden criminal wealth, and became estate lawyers. They use trust company or insurance company mutual funds to hide bad money by mingling it with the money of the good townspeople. But, having such a cloaking device means that the property of the good can disappear into the vault of the bad, and since that vault is secret, the disappearance becomes another X-file.
Others who jumped on the wealth acummulating bandwagon include the Treasury Agents who typically do a two year stint as a tax or bank examiner, then go to work showing their institution how not to get caught.
Who could not admit that we have being battered around one crime after the other since 9/11 ENRON- it used to be that they would leave a little space in between. Now they are ratcheting it up to an even flow- until the dam breaks.
But you are so astute in noting, "Behind every great crime is a great fortune."
Nothing is more tempting to the crooked than the money of the righteous. This seems quite simple, but if good people have not been robbed to the nubs, the world would be looking quite a bit different. It is impossible for a Bad person to make a Good decision, especially with stolen assets.
The more casinos we get like Casino Aztar, which uses the assumed name "City of Evansville," it will become exponentially more difficult for sincere detectives and treasury agents to know what belongs to whom and why.
I am the 7%!!! I got a full-time job in 2009 due to one of Obama's stimulus packages. Federal funds are still largely responsible for my salary. If they take them away, our program, which connects families with young children to needed services and assists the transition to a Head Start program, will be history. I am earning significantly below the average middle class wage, but I am doing pretty well for someone in the social services field in PA. This in itself is a disgrace, but that's a topic for another time :-)
It may not be the nation we want but it sure is the nation we have in many ways. Take for instance the statement of a Penn State student a young woman, regarding the firing of coach Joe Paterno. She was in disaggreement with the firing over something like not reporting suspected child abuse - molestation? As if Joe Paterno's coaching status is more important than those children's lives.
Had a brilliant idea - easy - HOW TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF POLITICAL DECISIONS
Have congress make decisions - vote for most controversial bill/proposals - through bipartisan committees ONLY - outcome MUST be voted on - could be vetoed by the president.
The president gives guidelines as to what the bill should or should not contain - and which direction - always stressing FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE = NATION = and sometimes global impact.
Options might be given - with everything rated by the CBO, perhaps an additional agency in case of doubt and questions as to accuracy.
These committee members should be appointed by the president and ????
they must be longstanding - incorruptible, totally independent valued experts in the fields , who have studied the issues, history, constitution, etc.
The outcome MUST be voted on - preferably in its entirety.
Any person or corp representative who wants to make comments or present their position, will only be allowed - at the same time - the opposing parties - time limited - in front of the entire congress = possibly also president - NO private meetings (lobbying or bribing or influence peddling - or MONEY) allowed.
I have a feeling congress would agree and vote for this - as it would take political pressure from them, serve the PEOPLE/nation - and free them from endless fundraising.
As many citizens vote without knowing and understanding all the intricate facts - congress members - esp the new ones - do not have sufficient knowledge - often the wrong motivation or pressure - to come up with good law.
THEY should have so sign a pledge to make decisions based on ONLY for the BENEFIT of the people and the country as a whole -
All controversial subjects could be handled that way - esp economy, budgets (we have a good proposal - Bowles/Simpson ), Taxes, TRADE, healthcare, environment, regulations and their impact, banking /wall street/corp regulations, military decisions as well, education, "entitlements", privatization schemes, tax exempt status overhaul (churches, too many 'tax exempt", fraudulent "non profits" must be addressed) , etc , etc
Anything to do with religion (must be better defined and limited) and personal "feelings", like homosexuality and 'abortions, etc need to be eliminated from any congressional actions.
If you think this is a good plan - please pass it on to influential persons - to reach our President.
This would be very appreciated by the voters - give him the edge for re -election - as most people are totally fed up and frustrated with the inability of congress to come up with good legislation - and timely
Most voters understand the immense corruption and corp influence - to THEIR detriment.
This would take politics out of government - to a major extent at least
Congress won't have much to do (might take a wage cut and reduce their 'entourage' saving a lot of tax money - no more fundraising, could spend their time listening to their constituents - like Bernie Sanders, and a few others, and EDUCATE (MUST read appropriate book a month !!) themselves and the puplic.
I have been talking about lifting the payroll tax, the FICA payroll deduction cap, since before the tea party was created by the Koch Bros.
The cap, $135,000 which was set in 1935, will not be felt by the vast majority of Americans. Those who will won't care. I know of no one whis waiting for the day when they pass the $135K threshhold so that they can have an extra $5 in their paycheck.
My Congressman Jo Bonner(R-AL1) thinks it is a tax increase and so his kneejerk reaction is to be against it. A couple of weeks ago a group of about 100 millionaires went to congress to ask to be taxed. They asked to pay their fair share. NOT ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN WOULD MEET WITH THEM. These people are not listening to their constituents. They are not listening to the economists. They are not listening to the 99%. They are not listening to our millionaires. To whom are they listening? How big a check do you need to bring with you to get a congressman to listen?
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If you miss the way it used to be- tax a millionaire, support a union and buy American.
Leighmf: Wow! I'm very impressed, if not overwhelmed! I have been to a website that I believe you have created...www.frankkryder.com
I've read your postings at Thom Hartmann blog and didn't really know what it was all about...I still don't..it is very elaborate...but it is still quite impressive data and shows that you are very good at what you do.
I guess I will have to do a little more searching to find out what the real story is behind Frank Kryder in simple enough terms that I can understand them. All of those records are way above me. And I want to know the simplified version of what happened. But, I sense that our current economic structure and what is happening today all stems from a fairly well concealed historical past.
"Behind every great fortune, is a crime"--Balzac?
"It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees!"--Emiliano Zapata..(no, not of the Zapata Drilling Company or Zapata Oil Company or Operation Zapata).
When I read about certain bonds, $480 billion worth, which were supposed to come due on the very day after 911, the exposure of which would have caused a great deal of calamity had 911 not destroyed them in the WTC buildings, I further realized that there is likely a strong connection between the destruction of those buildings and powerful criminal groups withing the US that are so ruthless that they wouldn't hesitate to do such things.* I had previously believed that it had a lot to do with the manipulation of the bubble/burst economy and the mortgage scams and the derivative schemes.
They needed a New Pearl Harbor not necessarily so they could just get the people supportive of an invasion of the Middle East, but they needed us to be so afraid of the bogeyman terrorists that we would be willing to give up any form of democracy and freedoms, or ability to challenge the corrupt authorities, which would make us more malleable when the criminal financial crimes came to light.
The story of Operation Golden Lily, aka Yamashita's Gold, is pretty fascinating and ties in with the $480 billion bonds, I believe. Stirling Seagraves, and his wife Peggy, wrote a fascinating book about it some years ago. And they also sold a couple of CDs full of supporting documentation...official documents...maps...photos...etc.
*In addition to a correlation of the locations of the three major bonds dealers, the government offices that held vital records on investigations of major economic crimes not only in the WTC buildings 1,2, 6, and 7 but also in the side of the pentagon that got his which contained records of major investigations of economic crimes..like Enron..and many others.
Eye-witnesses have said that explosions took place prior to the collapse of the buildings in areas that would have corresponded to some of those displaced from the crash locations which destroyed vital records. And the crash locations themselves, were at or within the floors of these brokers. There are just way too many "coincidences" to consider this the act of only 19 Arab hijackers.
"But in Part 1., I don't see why you say "Obama is proof-". We've had the "proof " for years and years. You can't blame him for the assassinations, for example. As a married man with two impressionable daughters, I believe he was threatened the moment he took office. The criminal way is to threaten the well-being of the family of whom they wish to manipulate."
Of course, you may be right! I should have said Obama is merely the latest proof...as this proof has existed so many times in the past. We don't know if he was being insincere in his campaign demeanor and rhetoric or if he was blackmailed or threatened after he won. But Obama seemed to me to be the pinnacle of rebellion against corruption and power, the high hope, the new sheriff in town that would help to clean up the mess. But, whatever the reason, has not done so...and even acted like he was part of the ruse to begin with.
We don't know if he was a devious Trojan horse sneaked in by the ruling elite to feed people a lot of false hope in order to confuse the people long enough to get certain pro-ruling elite policies instituted...like the $700 billion (started by the Bush administration) bailout and no enforceable strings attached...and the slick job they did on creating a government enforceable payola program to the health insurance scamsters. But, Obama, right from the start, embraced the right-wing agenda...and didn't seem to be too distraught at having done so.
We may be giving Obama too much credit for the idea that he was strong-armed into doing a 180 degree on his campaign rhetoric. I am not willing to give him that benefit of the doubt. Because, no matter what the reason, he did fail us.
It is time for a real change! Time to wreck the entrenched corrupt two party system with someone else....super radically to the left. He/she may risk getting assassinated or blackmailed, which is what the ruling elite is good at, but the alternative is a massive boycott and/or revolution or a serfdom/fiefdom third-world America with 99% of the population living in squalor and/or dying off as emaciated and sickly peons bowing down kissing the jack boots of the gestapo pigs ruling the country.
America is starting to look a lot like a mixture of the movies Idiocracy, The Time Machine, and Orwell's 1984.
Part 2. "it really doesn't matter who is President....the criminally insane and greedy ruling elite controls the President. These people are ruthless and will stop at nothing. And if blackmail doesn't work for the ruling elite, then even assassination is not without historical precedence...JFK, RFK, MLK, and many more."
Part 2. is my opinion too, and from personal experience I have documents to prove it.
But in Part 1., I don't see why you say "Obama is proof-". We've had the "proof " for years and years. You can't blame him for the assassinations, for example. As a married man with two impressionable daughters, I believe he was threatened the moment he took office. The criminal way is to threaten the well-being of the family of whom they wish to manipulate.
However, coming from Chicago, this would have been nothing new, but perhaps Obama was too preppie to realize who really controls the President, and was lured into the place.
And of course, once you're in, you're in, you know. The Union Pacific royalties start rolling. Blowing the whistle would ruin everyone's good time. Who has the courage to do that?
Let's rag on The Attorney General more and demand the Department of Justice do its job, track down and exterminate this wild west criminal syndicate which has taken over town, and give us back our country as it was intended to be run.
DustyHinz: You got the picture! The Democrat Party is all washed up...and they deserve it. They have stabbed their constituents in the back too many times. And Obama was the last straw! The OWS movement is very correct in shunning all political parties. Political parties have shown only that they play the smoke-and-mirrors, bait-and-switch, good-cop-bad-cop routines and that no matter what they say when they are trying to woo us into voting for them...they will sell us out to the wealthy. Our political system has been hijacked by the ruling elite and it is corrupt to the core. VOTING IS FUTILE! WE ARE OWS!
Continued tactics of the OWS movement and an eventual revolution is our only hope...but there may be a slim chance that by voting for someone other than Republican or Democrat will so upset the applecart that the Democrats would be brought to their senses and begin to fight for the people. But, I would bet that even a third party ultra-liberal would eventually succumb to the pressures of the monied interests.
I suspect that they will try to water down the rebellions by orchestrating something really big...like attacking Iran..or creating another 911.
On the peak oil topic...it looks like things could get very heated over the potential oil deposits under the melting arctic cap. Everyone wants to control it...US, Canada, Russia, Iceland, and everyone else thinks they are most deserving of controlling it.
I really think you hit the nail on the head about running out of resources. And the ruling elite, I think, are trying to depopulate the planet using methods that are caused by economic starvation. People will die of lack of medical attention and lack of food and heating oil. Old people, and even young people, will freeze to death. The lack of medical attention may even, eventually, cause the return of epidemics.
There are lots of faux liberals and groups or organizations that pretend to be liberal..have liberal sounding names...but they often have a covert agenda of ensuring that the people act in such a manner that will continue to let the ruling elite get their way with us. Check out Americans Elect and it's founder, Peter Ackerman, for example.
If you dig a little in investigating some of these people you find that they are really right wing..have right wing associations...and get funds from other right wing people and organizations.
Since I believe that the two party system is, now, nothing but a god-cop-bad-cop ruse to get people to believe that their only hope is to vote for a Democrat (which is really a right-winger in disguise), instead of demonstrating in the streets like the OWS movement, then I believe that we have to be very wary of anyone who persists in trying to push the Democrat agenda on us.
Again, many may sound like they are on our side, on the surface, but may really be trying to subvert us by getting us to continue playing the same old good-cop-bad-cop routine of voting for the Democrats.
Others, may sincerely believe that we really don't have any other choice but to vote Democrat and that the prospect of what may result in a persistence of making too many waves would eventually result in lots of violence. Yes, that is very scary! But, do we really have any other choice? Are they really giving us any other choice?
If you are backed into a corner, lined up for the slaughter, do you not fight back with all you can? It really is a life and death situation we are dealing with here. Many people will suffer greatly or even die from the war that is being waged against us by the ruling elite. If we don't fight back, it would almost be like committing suicide anyway. I am no where near that point but I'm sure that lots of others may very well be...or soon will be. And any one of us could very well see an abrupt change in our ability to survive...or our loved ones. What then?
So what are we supposed to do? Redistribute our wealth to saoffices post offices? Let's raise taxes so we can fund an inefficient entity. That would be the liberal way to do it.
The fact that the AFA in concordance with their minion group One Million Moms even posed this list of stores NOT to shop because they wond pander to the lowest common denominator shows what a sense of entitlement Fundamentalist Christians have. Vacuous F-tards.
After hearing the lovely comments from the guy from, I believe it was the Ameican Family?, I was surprised not to hear the obvious counterspin.
I volunteered, for a time, at a soup kitchen. it was mostly run by some religious based groups. I found them a bit odd, but they didn't make the poor sit through a sermon to get their food.
I did hear a sermon like speech from one the pastors that impressed me though.
He was commenting on the government and asked who is the govt in a democracy and said, "We are."
I find this the trick the right wing and libertarians use to fuel their propoganda. They make it seem that the govt is something other than us, as apposed to an extention of us.
It's not us deciding how we want our collective contributions spent, it's some foreign entity with a life of it's own.
When corrupted by money, it may seem that way, but I don't believe that was the intention of the founding fathers.
A Christian in a democracy is therefor a memebr of the govt and his decision to help the poor both personally and institutionally, should be equal morally.
All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
Benjamin Franklin, letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss "The Obama administration has affirmed, continued and expanded almost all of the draconian domestic civil liberties intrusions pioneered under the Bush administration. Here are twenty examples of serious assaults on the domestic rights to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, the right to privacy, the right to a fair trial, freedom of religion, and freedom of conscience that have occurred since the Obama administration has assumed power. Consider these and then... http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/20-examples-of-obama-administration.html
The cleansing of the temple parable also supports the principle of holding spiritual practices sacred and free from commercializaiton, Thom. Referance Matthew 21:12-14.
12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the chairs of them that sold doves:
13And he saith to them: It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but you have made it a den of thieves.
14And there came to him the blind and the lame in the temple; and he healed them.
Growing up in a fundamentalist Southern Baptist envirnoment having witnessed the conflation of religion and right-wing corporate politics firsthand while watching many of the faithful sleepwalk (or should I say "sleeprun") through the commercializaion of Christmas routine, I'm glad you confronted that issue head on. Thanks for inviting the AFA spokesman on the show.
James Polk
Hattiesburg, Mississippi
Just listened to Peter Ferrara ranting on Thom's show. He claimed that Thom makes things up and flat out lies, and even went so far as to imply that his listeners just want to hear just that. Now I don't know whether Peter or Thom has the facts and are representing them honestly... but Thom's calm manner and effort to get real questions answered, vs Peter who talks fast, angrily and evades or try's to reword the question to his advantage does tend to make me have more faith in Thom. Now I can either choose to research the facts of either side, or I can choose to have faith in the person who had convinced me through the strength and style of their argument.
I can see why Thom is constantly advising his listeners that his choice to have as many right wingers on his show is to model an appropriate way to have a discussion with a right winger. The discussion is in no way going to change either participants point-of-view, but it may just influence anyone who may be observing the discussion.
I wish I had Thom's patience, I avoid political debates just because I don't, and have no wish to end up screaming like a buffoon and making a spectacle of myself.... like Peter Ferrara so aptly and reliably does when he comes on to the show.
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Okay, so it wasn't Thom's fault then. Sorry, Thom.
I've heard some bizarre attempts at Latin plurals, including Sarah Silverman's abortion > abortii (which was a joke, at least), and Elvis > Elvi (even though the paradigm for "-is" gives Elvēs, which is funnier).
"Apprenti"? Plural of "apprentus"? I think you meant "apprentices", Thom.
I guess the IMF is the international version of ALEC.
God Bless you Thom Hartmann!! Thank you for standing up to that greedy capitalist.
The true meaning of Christmas
http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/457-the-t...
OSHA 10
Thomas Jefferson explains his thoughts on banking and finance (Podcast)
http://www.jeffersonhour.com/
PS Thomas Jefferson would suipport OWS!
Money is speech.
Protesting is not speech.
Do I understand Scott Walker correctly?
60 Minutes: Fraud Caused Financial Meltdown, But There Have Been No ProsecutionsPosted on December 5, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog
As we’ve repeatedly demonstrated, fraud caused the 1930s Depression and the current financial crisis, and there’s no recovery because the government made it official policy not to prosecute fraud (and seethis, this, this, and this).
60 Minutes has just produced a hard-hitting 14 minutes segment on the widespread fraud leading up to the financial crisis, and the utter lack of prosecutions to date.
Oh, thank you for visiting the website dedicated to my kin!
Yes, it is very elaborate because the Organization made it impossible a century ago for anyone to make needle-in-a-haystack connections when their 100-year phony mortgage bonds become "due" in the future. Otherwise they would have been caught by now. America's Greatest Crime spans the lifetime careers of at least four detectives already.
I just today discovered that Bunny Mellon was married to a top Navy cryptologist, before Mellon. Most of our problem is that through the Civil War, World Wars and the Great Depression (notice, same sticker symbol as General Dynamics, GD), overly-wealthy bankers have been in top secret positions also serving as Secretaries of the Treasury.
BNY (Bank of New York) is very cryptographic for "Bunny," also an OSS code name for an agent concerned with IRAQ. Bunny and Buffalo, OSS.
I am quite close to digesting the whole story AND explaining the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa and the losses of Teamsters Pension funds, with the same basic Lincoln mobsters entangled in the assassinations. They have the biggest vaults, therefore, the biggest guns.
I will explain "The Bunny Lincoln Hit" as the word "Bunny" seems to have been planted in my head as a baby - the name to call Frank Kryder's wife, my grandmother, LeVonne. It wasn't her bridge club nickname. I was always told that I made up the name, and in the family she was known as Bunny. Bunny lived on Riverside Drive, and Riverside Cemetery was an entity used by the Prescott Bush CIA.
Other mistakes besides bankers being appointed into secret departments and ex-generals being appointed corporation presidents, is that particularly in the big gangster days, criminal lawyers came into contact with the land's wealthiest criminals. These criminal lawyers learned their ways, coveted hidden criminal wealth, and became estate lawyers. They use trust company or insurance company mutual funds to hide bad money by mingling it with the money of the good townspeople. But, having such a cloaking device means that the property of the good can disappear into the vault of the bad, and since that vault is secret, the disappearance becomes another X-file.
Others who jumped on the wealth acummulating bandwagon include the Treasury Agents who typically do a two year stint as a tax or bank examiner, then go to work showing their institution how not to get caught.
Who could not admit that we have being battered around one crime after the other since 9/11 ENRON- it used to be that they would leave a little space in between. Now they are ratcheting it up to an even flow- until the dam breaks.
But you are so astute in noting, "Behind every great crime is a great fortune."
Nothing is more tempting to the crooked than the money of the righteous. This seems quite simple, but if good people have not been robbed to the nubs, the world would be looking quite a bit different. It is impossible for a Bad person to make a Good decision, especially with stolen assets.
The more casinos we get like Casino Aztar, which uses the assumed name "City of Evansville," it will become exponentially more difficult for sincere detectives and treasury agents to know what belongs to whom and why.
I am the 7%!!! I got a full-time job in 2009 due to one of Obama's stimulus packages. Federal funds are still largely responsible for my salary. If they take them away, our program, which connects families with young children to needed services and assists the transition to a Head Start program, will be history. I am earning significantly below the average middle class wage, but I am doing pretty well for someone in the social services field in PA. This in itself is a disgrace, but that's a topic for another time :-)
It may not be the nation we want but it sure is the nation we have in many ways. Take for instance the statement of a Penn State student a young woman, regarding the firing of coach Joe Paterno. She was in disaggreement with the firing over something like not reporting suspected child abuse - molestation? As if Joe Paterno's coaching status is more important than those children's lives.
Had a brilliant idea - easy - HOW TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF POLITICAL DECISIONS
Have congress make decisions - vote for most controversial bill/proposals - through bipartisan committees ONLY - outcome MUST be voted on - could be vetoed by the president.
The president gives guidelines as to what the bill should or should not contain - and which direction - always stressing FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE = NATION = and sometimes global impact.
Options might be given - with everything rated by the CBO, perhaps an additional agency in case of doubt and questions as to accuracy.
These committee members should be appointed by the president and ????
they must be longstanding - incorruptible, totally independent valued experts in the fields , who have studied the issues, history, constitution, etc.
The outcome MUST be voted on - preferably in its entirety.
Any person or corp representative who wants to make comments or present their position, will only be allowed - at the same time - the opposing parties - time limited - in front of the entire congress = possibly also president - NO private meetings (lobbying or bribing or influence peddling - or MONEY) allowed.
I have a feeling congress would agree and vote for this - as it would take political pressure from them, serve the PEOPLE/nation - and free them from endless fundraising.
As many citizens vote without knowing and understanding all the intricate facts - congress members - esp the new ones - do not have sufficient knowledge - often the wrong motivation or pressure - to come up with good law.
THEY should have so sign a pledge to make decisions based on ONLY for the BENEFIT of the people and the country as a whole -
All controversial subjects could be handled that way - esp economy, budgets (we have a good proposal - Bowles/Simpson ), Taxes, TRADE, healthcare, environment, regulations and their impact, banking /wall street/corp regulations, military decisions as well, education, "entitlements", privatization schemes, tax exempt status overhaul (churches, too many 'tax exempt", fraudulent "non profits" must be addressed) , etc , etc
Anything to do with religion (must be better defined and limited) and personal "feelings", like homosexuality and 'abortions, etc need to be eliminated from any congressional actions.
If you think this is a good plan - please pass it on to influential persons - to reach our President.
This would be very appreciated by the voters - give him the edge for re -election - as most people are totally fed up and frustrated with the inability of congress to come up with good legislation - and timely
Most voters understand the immense corruption and corp influence - to THEIR detriment.
This would take politics out of government - to a major extent at least
Congress won't have much to do (might take a wage cut and reduce their 'entourage' saving a lot of tax money - no more fundraising, could spend their time listening to their constituents - like Bernie Sanders, and a few others, and EDUCATE (MUST read appropriate book a month !!) themselves and the puplic.
I have been talking about lifting the payroll tax, the FICA payroll deduction cap, since before the tea party was created by the Koch Bros.
The cap, $135,000 which was set in 1935, will not be felt by the vast majority of Americans. Those who will won't care. I know of no one whis waiting for the day when they pass the $135K threshhold so that they can have an extra $5 in their paycheck.
My Congressman Jo Bonner(R-AL1) thinks it is a tax increase and so his kneejerk reaction is to be against it. A couple of weeks ago a group of about 100 millionaires went to congress to ask to be taxed. They asked to pay their fair share. NOT ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN WOULD MEET WITH THEM. These people are not listening to their constituents. They are not listening to the economists. They are not listening to the 99%. They are not listening to our millionaires. To whom are they listening? How big a check do you need to bring with you to get a congressman to listen?
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If you miss the way it used to be- tax a millionaire, support a union and buy American.
Leighmf: Wow! I'm very impressed, if not overwhelmed! I have been to a website that I believe you have created...www.frankkryder.com
I've read your postings at Thom Hartmann blog and didn't really know what it was all about...I still don't..it is very elaborate...but it is still quite impressive data and shows that you are very good at what you do.
I guess I will have to do a little more searching to find out what the real story is behind Frank Kryder in simple enough terms that I can understand them. All of those records are way above me. And I want to know the simplified version of what happened. But, I sense that our current economic structure and what is happening today all stems from a fairly well concealed historical past.
"Behind every great fortune, is a crime"--Balzac?
"It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees!"--Emiliano Zapata..(no, not of the Zapata Drilling Company or Zapata Oil Company or Operation Zapata).
When I read about certain bonds, $480 billion worth, which were supposed to come due on the very day after 911, the exposure of which would have caused a great deal of calamity had 911 not destroyed them in the WTC buildings, I further realized that there is likely a strong connection between the destruction of those buildings and powerful criminal groups withing the US that are so ruthless that they wouldn't hesitate to do such things.* I had previously believed that it had a lot to do with the manipulation of the bubble/burst economy and the mortgage scams and the derivative schemes.
They needed a New Pearl Harbor not necessarily so they could just get the people supportive of an invasion of the Middle East, but they needed us to be so afraid of the bogeyman terrorists that we would be willing to give up any form of democracy and freedoms, or ability to challenge the corrupt authorities, which would make us more malleable when the criminal financial crimes came to light.
The story of Operation Golden Lily, aka Yamashita's Gold, is pretty fascinating and ties in with the $480 billion bonds, I believe. Stirling Seagraves, and his wife Peggy, wrote a fascinating book about it some years ago. And they also sold a couple of CDs full of supporting documentation...official documents...maps...photos...etc.
*In addition to a correlation of the locations of the three major bonds dealers, the government offices that held vital records on investigations of major economic crimes not only in the WTC buildings 1,2, 6, and 7 but also in the side of the pentagon that got his which contained records of major investigations of economic crimes..like Enron..and many others.
Eye-witnesses have said that explosions took place prior to the collapse of the buildings in areas that would have corresponded to some of those displaced from the crash locations which destroyed vital records. And the crash locations themselves, were at or within the floors of these brokers. There are just way too many "coincidences" to consider this the act of only 19 Arab hijackers.
"But in Part 1., I don't see why you say "Obama is proof-". We've had the "proof " for years and years. You can't blame him for the assassinations, for example. As a married man with two impressionable daughters, I believe he was threatened the moment he took office. The criminal way is to threaten the well-being of the family of whom they wish to manipulate."
Of course, you may be right! I should have said Obama is merely the latest proof...as this proof has existed so many times in the past. We don't know if he was being insincere in his campaign demeanor and rhetoric or if he was blackmailed or threatened after he won. But Obama seemed to me to be the pinnacle of rebellion against corruption and power, the high hope, the new sheriff in town that would help to clean up the mess. But, whatever the reason, has not done so...and even acted like he was part of the ruse to begin with.
We don't know if he was a devious Trojan horse sneaked in by the ruling elite to feed people a lot of false hope in order to confuse the people long enough to get certain pro-ruling elite policies instituted...like the $700 billion (started by the Bush administration) bailout and no enforceable strings attached...and the slick job they did on creating a government enforceable payola program to the health insurance scamsters. But, Obama, right from the start, embraced the right-wing agenda...and didn't seem to be too distraught at having done so.
We may be giving Obama too much credit for the idea that he was strong-armed into doing a 180 degree on his campaign rhetoric. I am not willing to give him that benefit of the doubt. Because, no matter what the reason, he did fail us.
It is time for a real change! Time to wreck the entrenched corrupt two party system with someone else....super radically to the left. He/she may risk getting assassinated or blackmailed, which is what the ruling elite is good at, but the alternative is a massive boycott and/or revolution or a serfdom/fiefdom third-world America with 99% of the population living in squalor and/or dying off as emaciated and sickly peons bowing down kissing the jack boots of the gestapo pigs ruling the country.
America is starting to look a lot like a mixture of the movies Idiocracy, The Time Machine, and Orwell's 1984.
excellent - a true citizen - intelligent too - certainly NOT a repub !!!!!
Thanks
Part 1. "Obama is proof that"
Part 2. "it really doesn't matter who is President....the criminally insane and greedy ruling elite controls the President. These people are ruthless and will stop at nothing. And if blackmail doesn't work for the ruling elite, then even assassination is not without historical precedence...JFK, RFK, MLK, and many more."
Part 2. is my opinion too, and from personal experience I have documents to prove it.
But in Part 1., I don't see why you say "Obama is proof-". We've had the "proof " for years and years. You can't blame him for the assassinations, for example. As a married man with two impressionable daughters, I believe he was threatened the moment he took office. The criminal way is to threaten the well-being of the family of whom they wish to manipulate.
However, coming from Chicago, this would have been nothing new, but perhaps Obama was too preppie to realize who really controls the President, and was lured into the place.
And of course, once you're in, you're in, you know. The Union Pacific royalties start rolling. Blowing the whistle would ruin everyone's good time. Who has the courage to do that?
Let's rag on The Attorney General more and demand the Department of Justice do its job, track down and exterminate this wild west criminal syndicate which has taken over town, and give us back our country as it was intended to be run.
DustyHinz: You got the picture! The Democrat Party is all washed up...and they deserve it. They have stabbed their constituents in the back too many times. And Obama was the last straw! The OWS movement is very correct in shunning all political parties. Political parties have shown only that they play the smoke-and-mirrors, bait-and-switch, good-cop-bad-cop routines and that no matter what they say when they are trying to woo us into voting for them...they will sell us out to the wealthy. Our political system has been hijacked by the ruling elite and it is corrupt to the core. VOTING IS FUTILE! WE ARE OWS!
Continued tactics of the OWS movement and an eventual revolution is our only hope...but there may be a slim chance that by voting for someone other than Republican or Democrat will so upset the applecart that the Democrats would be brought to their senses and begin to fight for the people. But, I would bet that even a third party ultra-liberal would eventually succumb to the pressures of the monied interests.
I suspect that they will try to water down the rebellions by orchestrating something really big...like attacking Iran..or creating another 911.
On the peak oil topic...it looks like things could get very heated over the potential oil deposits under the melting arctic cap. Everyone wants to control it...US, Canada, Russia, Iceland, and everyone else thinks they are most deserving of controlling it.
I really think you hit the nail on the head about running out of resources. And the ruling elite, I think, are trying to depopulate the planet using methods that are caused by economic starvation. People will die of lack of medical attention and lack of food and heating oil. Old people, and even young people, will freeze to death. The lack of medical attention may even, eventually, cause the return of epidemics.
There are lots of faux liberals and groups or organizations that pretend to be liberal..have liberal sounding names...but they often have a covert agenda of ensuring that the people act in such a manner that will continue to let the ruling elite get their way with us. Check out Americans Elect and it's founder, Peter Ackerman, for example.
If you dig a little in investigating some of these people you find that they are really right wing..have right wing associations...and get funds from other right wing people and organizations.
Since I believe that the two party system is, now, nothing but a god-cop-bad-cop ruse to get people to believe that their only hope is to vote for a Democrat (which is really a right-winger in disguise), instead of demonstrating in the streets like the OWS movement, then I believe that we have to be very wary of anyone who persists in trying to push the Democrat agenda on us.
Again, many may sound like they are on our side, on the surface, but may really be trying to subvert us by getting us to continue playing the same old good-cop-bad-cop routine of voting for the Democrats.
Others, may sincerely believe that we really don't have any other choice but to vote Democrat and that the prospect of what may result in a persistence of making too many waves would eventually result in lots of violence. Yes, that is very scary! But, do we really have any other choice? Are they really giving us any other choice?
If you are backed into a corner, lined up for the slaughter, do you not fight back with all you can? It really is a life and death situation we are dealing with here. Many people will suffer greatly or even die from the war that is being waged against us by the ruling elite. If we don't fight back, it would almost be like committing suicide anyway. I am no where near that point but I'm sure that lots of others may very well be...or soon will be. And any one of us could very well see an abrupt change in our ability to survive...or our loved ones. What then?