If she fails to be appointed that will stir up the lady's and get them activated for the next round.That way both Rush Limbaugh and the administration get something they want.
Rush just wants to force the administration to lose.
Interesting that Thom should mention Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" this morning - it happens that I finished reading that book last Friday.
The very title of the book is somewhat telling, invoking visions of the giant who supports the world. One of Rand's main points, apparently, is that we stand on the shoulders of giants. She and I agree on that, to a point. Where we disagree is on the identity of those giants.
Rand feels that the work of the wealthy is of benefit to us all, thus they are the giants upon whose shoulders the rest of us stand. I'm sure I'll get no arguement on the following statement in THIS venue - Lloyd Blankfein is no giant.
From my viewpoint (I'm an engineer, btw), the giants upon whose shoulders we stand have names like Galileo, Marconi, Newton and Edison. EVERY advance in technology made by anybody today is based on principles discovered by people who left this world long ago. We owe such people a debt that we can never repay. The men that Rand would call "giants" would be nothing without the ones who came before - today's industrialists stand on the shoulders of MY giants.
Do these men acknowledge the debt they owe to my giants? Perhaps, if they do, we can find a way to convince them that the ONLY way they can come close to repaying this debt is to do something that benefits someone other than themselves - like PAYING HIGHER TAXES, for instance.
@food fascist: I worked for the census in '79-'80. It was great the 1st year (pre-census), we just sat around making maps all day. next year it sukd 'cause i was an area leader. All the applications for census taker had been filled out in spring by mainly college students. by the time to hire them, they had all moved to new apts, never leaving forwarding addresses, of course, so all I had was the dregs to work with.
Now, I'm a retired country squire dealing with idiot contractors and raising mules.
And as it is- I will need to get out into the field now....so tally ho everyone and see you tomorrow. Keep it lit...Tag your it! MikeMalloy meets Hartmann!
Yeah, that chat room drives me nuts. ITs like a video game. I am at work when I check in here. I like to do a peice of work, and then take a minute break, and then do another piece of work.
I am now working the Census myself, in addition to learning how to write for an online publication with editors and quotas to meet.
BTW, I am in the middle of writing a review for Thom's new revision of Unequal Protection - never read the old version but can testify that what I read this past weekend kicks ass! He has a chart in there showing how one board member of one corporation shares a member with a board of another corporation and on and on and on.
I told the guy from Nashville talking about the flood about the chat room, maybe a lot of people are there under new names. its way too hectic for me; though traffic seems lighter there, too, recently.
Correction, BP and all involved in the spill is who have lied to us. In review I can see it may seem that I meant the world has lied to us, I apologize.
I just wanted to add that I am equally stunned that the world is not freaking out about this. THey have lied to us, and the spill has far exceeded the valdeez spill. I am shocked that everyone is staling, while it continues to spill, and they are more concerned about who's fault this is. Duh, it's is all their faults and their assets should all be seized until this is cleaned up, and completely paid for. This fee should also include the fines to the extinction of life they have caused, many animals that will never recover. All animals damaged and the ocean life killed here should be paid for. IT should be equally split between all parties involved, and be DONE! Just get on with cleaning it, then close that damn well up, to protect the remaining life. This is ludicrous. Have we no dignity for life, has the pendelum swung so far that we have no regard at all for life? I hope they are enjoying that oil money, they are only sealing their doom.
This forum is getting harder and harder to find. I used to be able to click on Live Blog and in I would enter. Now I had several takes in a round about way to get here. In fact, had you not left your message, I would still not be confident that I was in the right place.
Thom really went off on that guy- they develop heinous rules and then force us to live by them using the holy hammer of we are lazy and irresponsible, rather than they are selfish fat pigs.
Right-winger. Across the board. And this shuts the door on the possibility of ever having another election that's not a sham. Like Clinton, Obama is loyal to the rich only. He's going to make it impossible for the next Obama to win, basically. Clinton destroyed unions, tossed unemployed single parents out on the street, and gave the media to as many far right corporations as he could manage, but Obama's on track to outdo him.
Note that she was forced to argue against her conviction, and took a dive on Citizen's United. She should be in the stocks in every city in America being pelted with rotten vegetables and eggs, not on the court.
By the way, Glenn Greenwald is no liberal, even in the classic sense. He's more an old-fashioned term - "liar." He said piously that Salon.com's readers were simply not "First Amendment absolutists" like him, and that free speech for corporate persons expressed by unlimited electoral corruption trumped any supposed right to actually have elections be free and fair. However, his First Amendment absolutism disappears when you ask him about electioneering within 100 feet of a polling place. Only limits on corporate personhood or money as speech raise his highly selective First Amendment reflexes. Like Jonathan Turley, Greenwald has been the beneficiary of a lot of desperation. To make sense of them, realize that while they're okay on civil liberties, they have as an article of fundamentalist faith that you can always go get another job, so anything a rich person or family or corporation wants to put in your contract - no matter how infringing on your liberties - is always by definition legal, and that's "freedom" and "liberty." After a very short time, any unregulated capitalism will become highly unequal, so this is really just a restatement of support for feudalism.
The Citizens United case is a good litmus test. Where you come down on it basically is a better indicator of your real position in Jefferson's two parties/factions* than almost anything else that's come along. *"Democrats and Aristocrats."
Elena Kagan, President Barack Obama's latest nominee to the Supreme Court, helped protect the Saudi royal family from lawsuits that sought to hold al Qaeda financiers responsible in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
Kagan's confirmation would most likely move the Court to the Right. She has an affinity for the Executive Branch which has been accumulating more power and Kagan would only serve to strengthen the Executive more. I would recommend folks to read what Glenn Greenwald (of Salon) and Cenk Uygur has to say about this. The Senate's Left should vote against her confirmation based on her lack of judicial experience and her promotion of Executive powers. Maybe after her confirmation is voted down, Obama will appoint a Progressive instead.
A word about your aching shoulder--for my point of view you didn't have to resort to the shot. Okay, your chiropractor may not have been as helpful as he or she might have been. There are other therapies. Tui Na, Shiatzu, Finnish Bonesetting, or perhaps, Homeopathic or Naturapathic approaches, Nutritional therapies too.
You don't know what those invasive meds can do to harm ya'. So . . . once you remove the cast, investigate some of the alternatives. The worse that can happen is that you may have to do the massage therapy once every month, or so after the initial sessions have eased the problem.
If I may, let tell what my GP said, actually two things. One, Fredrick, the King of Prussia paid his doctor regularly until one day this doctor didn't get paid. The King explained that he paid him to keep him healthy--if he fell ill, it was the doctor's fault for not telling him what he had to do to be well.
The other comment he made was that when I told that the nurse at another clinic told me my pulse was low that some nurses are nervous when they see "signs" of poor health. I take a certain med for hypertension that lowers the pulse, so . . . He checked my pulse it was all right. What can I tell ya'
Every time I hear this story, I think about the passage in Mein Kampf where Adolph Hitler proposed stripping German citizens of their citizenship if they were "unpatriotic". Now Joe Liebestraum is quite literally taking a page from Hitler's book.
@Maxrot: Where is everyone?
re: Hour Three, Which one of these bitches has come up with the dump trash on the leak solution???!!!?!?!
If she fails to be appointed that will stir up the lady's and get them activated for the next round.That way both Rush Limbaugh and the administration get something they want.
Rush just wants to force the administration to lose.
Obama want's to fire up the base.
It may be this pick is just cat and mouse.
Interesting that Thom should mention Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" this morning - it happens that I finished reading that book last Friday.
The very title of the book is somewhat telling, invoking visions of the giant who supports the world. One of Rand's main points, apparently, is that we stand on the shoulders of giants. She and I agree on that, to a point. Where we disagree is on the identity of those giants.
Rand feels that the work of the wealthy is of benefit to us all, thus they are the giants upon whose shoulders the rest of us stand. I'm sure I'll get no arguement on the following statement in THIS venue - Lloyd Blankfein is no giant.
From my viewpoint (I'm an engineer, btw), the giants upon whose shoulders we stand have names like Galileo, Marconi, Newton and Edison. EVERY advance in technology made by anybody today is based on principles discovered by people who left this world long ago. We owe such people a debt that we can never repay. The men that Rand would call "giants" would be nothing without the ones who came before - today's industrialists stand on the shoulders of MY giants.
Do these men acknowledge the debt they owe to my giants? Perhaps, if they do, we can find a way to convince them that the ONLY way they can come close to repaying this debt is to do something that benefits someone other than themselves - like PAYING HIGHER TAXES, for instance.
hmm,..foodfascist starts a conversation, then leaves...
@food fascist: I worked for the census in '79-'80. It was great the 1st year (pre-census), we just sat around making maps all day. next year it sukd 'cause i was an area leader. All the applications for census taker had been filled out in spring by mainly college students. by the time to hire them, they had all moved to new apts, never leaving forwarding addresses, of course, so all I had was the dregs to work with.
Now, I'm a retired country squire dealing with idiot contractors and raising mules.
And as it is- I will need to get out into the field now....so tally ho everyone and see you tomorrow. Keep it lit...Tag your it! MikeMalloy meets Hartmann!
Yeah, that chat room drives me nuts. ITs like a video game. I am at work when I check in here. I like to do a peice of work, and then take a minute break, and then do another piece of work.
Well Harry,
I am now working the Census myself, in addition to learning how to write for an online publication with editors and quotas to meet.
BTW, I am in the middle of writing a review for Thom's new revision of Unequal Protection - never read the old version but can testify that what I read this past weekend kicks ass! He has a chart in there showing how one board member of one corporation shares a member with a board of another corporation and on and on and on.
What are you doing these days?
I told the guy from Nashville talking about the flood about the chat room, maybe a lot of people are there under new names. its way too hectic for me; though traffic seems lighter there, too, recently.
How about, you can make money as long as it does not endanger person's basic sustenance.
I assumed low participation yesterday may have been about day after mother's day. Now, I don't know. Maybe people are starting to get lives?...
@foodfascist: Click on "Thom's Blog". Yeah i was confused at first, thougt this was the "chat room"
Correction, BP and all involved in the spill is who have lied to us. In review I can see it may seem that I meant the world has lied to us, I apologize.
I just wanted to add that I am equally stunned that the world is not freaking out about this. THey have lied to us, and the spill has far exceeded the valdeez spill. I am shocked that everyone is staling, while it continues to spill, and they are more concerned about who's fault this is. Duh, it's is all their faults and their assets should all be seized until this is cleaned up, and completely paid for. This fee should also include the fines to the extinction of life they have caused, many animals that will never recover. All animals damaged and the ocean life killed here should be paid for. IT should be equally split between all parties involved, and be DONE! Just get on with cleaning it, then close that damn well up, to protect the remaining life. This is ludicrous. Have we no dignity for life, has the pendelum swung so far that we have no regard at all for life? I hope they are enjoying that oil money, they are only sealing their doom.
There are new messages in http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2010/05/kagan-sleeper-socialist-or-righ...
The navigation isn't very clear. Checking the age of messages doesn't guarantee you're in the live blog.
Hi Harry-
This forum is getting harder and harder to find. I used to be able to click on Live Blog and in I would enter. Now I had several takes in a round about way to get here. In fact, had you not left your message, I would still not be confident that I was in the right place.
Thom really went off on that guy- they develop heinous rules and then force us to live by them using the holy hammer of we are lazy and irresponsible, rather than they are selfish fat pigs.
Where is Tuesday's page?
this is so strange....why nobody here today, only a few yesterday? Cat got yer fingers?
President is a wishy-washy, just right of center, pro-corporatist . . .
Apple. Tree. Not far from.
Right-winger. Across the board. And this shuts the door on the possibility of ever having another election that's not a sham. Like Clinton, Obama is loyal to the rich only. He's going to make it impossible for the next Obama to win, basically. Clinton destroyed unions, tossed unemployed single parents out on the street, and gave the media to as many far right corporations as he could manage, but Obama's on track to outdo him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marvin-ammori/does-elena-kagan-disagree_b_...
Note that she was forced to argue against her conviction, and took a dive on Citizen's United. She should be in the stocks in every city in America being pelted with rotten vegetables and eggs, not on the court.
By the way, Glenn Greenwald is no liberal, even in the classic sense. He's more an old-fashioned term - "liar." He said piously that Salon.com's readers were simply not "First Amendment absolutists" like him, and that free speech for corporate persons expressed by unlimited electoral corruption trumped any supposed right to actually have elections be free and fair. However, his First Amendment absolutism disappears when you ask him about electioneering within 100 feet of a polling place. Only limits on corporate personhood or money as speech raise his highly selective First Amendment reflexes. Like Jonathan Turley, Greenwald has been the beneficiary of a lot of desperation. To make sense of them, realize that while they're okay on civil liberties, they have as an article of fundamentalist faith that you can always go get another job, so anything a rich person or family or corporation wants to put in your contract - no matter how infringing on your liberties - is always by definition legal, and that's "freedom" and "liberty." After a very short time, any unregulated capitalism will become highly unequal, so this is really just a restatement of support for feudalism.
The Citizens United case is a good litmus test. Where you come down on it basically is a better indicator of your real position in Jefferson's two parties/factions* than almost anything else that's come along. *"Democrats and Aristocrats."
Kagan helped shield Saudis from 9/11 lawsuits
Elena Kagan, President Barack Obama's latest nominee to the Supreme Court, helped protect the Saudi royal family from lawsuits that sought to hold al Qaeda financiers responsible in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0511/kagan-helped-shield-saudis-911-lawsuits/
Kagan's confirmation would most likely move the Court to the Right. She has an affinity for the Executive Branch which has been accumulating more power and Kagan would only serve to strengthen the Executive more. I would recommend folks to read what Glenn Greenwald (of Salon) and Cenk Uygur has to say about this. The Senate's Left should vote against her confirmation based on her lack of judicial experience and her promotion of Executive powers. Maybe after her confirmation is voted down, Obama will appoint a Progressive instead.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-problem-with-elana-ka_b_570...
Thom,
A word about your aching shoulder--for my point of view you didn't have to resort to the shot. Okay, your chiropractor may not have been as helpful as he or she might have been. There are other therapies. Tui Na, Shiatzu, Finnish Bonesetting, or perhaps, Homeopathic or Naturapathic approaches, Nutritional therapies too.
You don't know what those invasive meds can do to harm ya'. So . . . once you remove the cast, investigate some of the alternatives. The worse that can happen is that you may have to do the massage therapy once every month, or so after the initial sessions have eased the problem.
If I may, let tell what my GP said, actually two things. One, Fredrick, the King of Prussia paid his doctor regularly until one day this doctor didn't get paid. The King explained that he paid him to keep him healthy--if he fell ill, it was the doctor's fault for not telling him what he had to do to be well.
The other comment he made was that when I told that the nurse at another clinic told me my pulse was low that some nurses are nervous when they see "signs" of poor health. I take a certain med for hypertension that lowers the pulse, so . . . He checked my pulse it was all right. What can I tell ya'
Zev Davis
Upper Nazareth, ISRAEL
Every time I hear this story, I think about the passage in Mein Kampf where Adolph Hitler proposed stripping German citizens of their citizenship if they were "unpatriotic".
Now Joe Liebestraum is quite literally taking a page from Hitler's book.