Mark K: Most of the reporting on the various tea-party gatherings yesterday treated them with the predictable corporate media kid gloves; it was maddening listening to the most simple-minded, self-victimizing assertions given the same status as a pronouncement from God. But while Thom still seems conflicted about these people, yesterday Norman Goldman gave the tea-partiers their proper due by taking a verbal two-by-four to their obvious and sundry mendacities.
Another man who has a plentitude of gonads is former NBA star and current basketball commentator Charles Barkley. Unlike the mostly white fans who find him a little too uppity, he is no hypocrite; he doesn’t hide behind falsity. Obama and the Democrats could take a tip or two from his view of how the world works. He stated in a radio interview last week that he had only had two problems with Tiger Woods and the way he has dealt with his current problem. “Number one, I told him years ago to quit saying you’re not black because all these people who smile at your face, when you screw up, you’re going to be black. And that’s come back to bite him in the a#s. We kept telling him not to say that. These people are not your friends… And secondly, I wish he would get to the point where he says, ‘Hey listen, I’m not going to walk around on eggshells anymore.’”
Admittedly, “He’s not the kind of guy who is going to fight back. That’s why he needs to surround himself with some people who got his back, who are going to be his friends through good and bad. He has not done a good job in that aspect. I got his back. He’s just got to start fighting back. He can only keep going backwards. I know all these idiots in the media running these shows like Inside Edition and Access Hollywood, they got no life. They just got to talk about celebrities. You got guys on TV. You got Skip Bayless, who’s a punk (he is). You got Jay Mariotti, who’s a punk (him too). There’s always going to be guys on TV because they got no talent, they just got to talk about famous people. But, at some point, he needs to stop and like you know, ‘I’ve apologized to my family. I’ve apologize to my wife. I’m not going to take abuse from you jacka#$@s.’”
Obama and the Democrats have admittedly missed most of their shots while not making proper use of their current home court advantage. For an entire year they allowed themselves the false hope that they had one or two “friends” amongst the Republicans, and seemed utterly reticent in defending themselves against the relentless onslaught of often hysterical hyperbole from the right. The Democrats have to realize that liberals and progressives (the latter albeit reluctantly) have their “backs.” They ought to feel free to bring the hammer down on Republican hypocrisy, such as on “fiscal responsibility.” They need to hammer on Republican policies that created a mere net of 2 million jobs during the Bush years, as opposed to 22 million during the Clinton years (I’m not as down on Clinton as Thom is). They need to point out, for example, that Clinton’s earned income tax credit policies that put more money into the hands of working class consumers helped create those jobs, while the Republican tax cuts for the richest Americans created almost no jobs. They need to hammer on the inherent hypocrisy of Republicans’ alleged concern about the wellbeing of the average American—opposing health care reform, economic stimulants and delaying unemployment extensions, while seeming to care a great deal for the “wellbeing” of their corporate paymasters, who pay little or no taxes while accumulating mind-numbing profits. They need to hammer on what is really “unpatriotic”: the failure of corporations that benefited from taxpayer money (most of whom paid little or nothing themselves) to use that money to keep America strong by maintaining a aviable employment climate rather than keeping all that money for their own enrichment, and the right-wing media creating a deliberately divisive civic atmosphere for destructive ends seemingly for “fun” and personal profit.
Quark, you need to be a little optimistic to believe you can affect those changes. "The glass is half full, but it is evaporating" is sort of how I try to look our political situation.
Better than when we had Bush though, the glass wasn't eve half full, and it was a shot glass at that.
I won't start to be optimistic until I see the FUNDAMENTALS of our economy changed for the better. Then I will know that rules will be in place to guide us toward a better future.
Most folk don't grok what a novel concept that the Great American Experiment was and is. They don't remember that Great Britain's government at the time was a fusion of the feudal and the corporate in a proto-fascist state. The primary stockholders of the British East Indies Company were the Royal family, the House of Lords and over half of the House of Commons AND they simply voted their company (themselves) a set of tax breaks designed to hobble (wipe-out) Colonial enterprise. The Colonists did more than declare war by an act of civil disobedience . . . They declared humanity free to assume self rule and capable of governing themselves.The Colonials did more that declare war by an act of civil disobedience . . . They declared humanity free to govern themselves.
Re: "I'm being cynical, but if I didn't admit to myself that I see crap everywhere, I wouldn't do anything about it."
If you were ignorant and didn't care, you wouldn't be on this blog or listening to Thom. (I can think of a few OTHER places you might be, though! LOL!)
Well Quark, mankind is slow at some things, but on other things oh how we excel. Like weaponry, technology makes incredible leaps in time of war. I guess (sad to say) nothing motivates us as much as the chance to legally kill ourselves. Even the anarchy market doesn't drive progress like war does.
I know, I know, I'm being cynical, but if I didn't admit to myself that I see crap everywhere, I wouldn't do anything about it.
Unfortunately, corporations have replaced kings. I have thought, for the last 25 years, that we are all living as corporate serfs... I hope THAT changes for the better.
In a way, blacks and minorities getting more equity in the "family of man" is their history of overcoming their more direct "serfdom." So, maybe there IS hope...
Good Morning Quark. The problem with evolution (especially social evolution) is that its so slow the present changes are imperceptable. However, we do have history to look back on to see how things have changed.
Imagine talking to someone in the 15th Century and telling them that some day Kings will no longer rule the majority of countries, but that a lot of countries will be ran by their citizens. Or how about telling someone in the 17th century that Slavery will some day be virtually eliminated. Tell someone at the turn of the last century that women and blacks would be allowed to vote and move closer and closer to real equality.
In every instance, they would look at you and say, yeah OK, keep dreaming dreamer.
Mark K: Most of the
Mark K: Most of the reporting on the various tea-party gatherings yesterday treated them with the predictable corporate media kid gloves; it was maddening listening to the most simple-minded, self-victimizing assertions given the same status as a pronouncement from God. But while Thom still seems conflicted about these people, yesterday Norman Goldman gave the tea-partiers their proper due by taking a verbal two-by-four to their obvious and sundry mendacities.
Another man who has a plentitude of gonads is former NBA star and current basketball commentator Charles Barkley. Unlike the mostly white fans who find him a little too uppity, he is no hypocrite; he doesn’t hide behind falsity. Obama and the Democrats could take a tip or two from his view of how the world works. He stated in a radio interview last week that he had only had two problems with Tiger Woods and the way he has dealt with his current problem. “Number one, I told him years ago to quit saying you’re not black because all these people who smile at your face, when you screw up, you’re going to be black. And that’s come back to bite him in the a#s. We kept telling him not to say that. These people are not your friends… And secondly, I wish he would get to the point where he says, ‘Hey listen, I’m not going to walk around on eggshells anymore.’”
Admittedly, “He’s not the kind of guy who is going to fight back. That’s why he needs to surround himself with some people who got his back, who are going to be his friends through good and bad. He has not done a good job in that aspect. I got his back. He’s just got to start fighting back. He can only keep going backwards. I know all these idiots in the media running these shows like Inside Edition and Access Hollywood, they got no life. They just got to talk about celebrities. You got guys on TV. You got Skip Bayless, who’s a punk (he is). You got Jay Mariotti, who’s a punk (him too). There’s always going to be guys on TV because they got no talent, they just got to talk about famous people. But, at some point, he needs to stop and like you know, ‘I’ve apologized to my family. I’ve apologize to my wife. I’m not going to take abuse from you jacka#$@s.’”
Obama and the Democrats have admittedly missed most of their shots while not making proper use of their current home court advantage. For an entire year they allowed themselves the false hope that they had one or two “friends” amongst the Republicans, and seemed utterly reticent in defending themselves against the relentless onslaught of often hysterical hyperbole from the right. The Democrats have to realize that liberals and progressives (the latter albeit reluctantly) have their “backs.” They ought to feel free to bring the hammer down on Republican hypocrisy, such as on “fiscal responsibility.” They need to hammer on Republican policies that created a mere net of 2 million jobs during the Bush years, as opposed to 22 million during the Clinton years (I’m not as down on Clinton as Thom is). They need to point out, for example, that Clinton’s earned income tax credit policies that put more money into the hands of working class consumers helped create those jobs, while the Republican tax cuts for the richest Americans created almost no jobs. They need to hammer on the inherent hypocrisy of Republicans’ alleged concern about the wellbeing of the average American—opposing health care reform, economic stimulants and delaying unemployment extensions, while seeming to care a great deal for the “wellbeing” of their corporate paymasters, who pay little or no taxes while accumulating mind-numbing profits. They need to hammer on what is really “unpatriotic”: the failure of corporations that benefited from taxpayer money (most of whom paid little or nothing themselves) to use that money to keep America strong by maintaining a aviable employment climate rather than keeping all that money for their own enrichment, and the right-wing media creating a deliberately divisive civic atmosphere for destructive ends seemingly for “fun” and personal profit.
@Maxrot RE “Better than when we had Bush though, the glass wasn't eve half full, and it was a shot glass at that.”
You are such the total optimist . . . The glass, NOW, isn’t half full and is smaller than a thimble.
The edit button, Quark, use the edit button.
Maxrot,
Yes, I know what you mean...
'Need to leave for awhile. 'See ya later.
Quark, you need to be a little optimistic to believe you can affect those changes. "The glass is half full, but it is evaporating" is sort of how I try to look our political situation.
Better than when we had Bush though, the glass wasn't eve half full, and it was a shot glass at that.
Maxrot,
Oops --- didn't mean to short-change you!
'Sorry! :-0
Maxro,
:-D
Quark, listening to Thom is a great antidote for ignorance.
Prescription for a T-bagger: Take two hours of Thom and then call him in the morning.
Maxrot,
I won't start to be optimistic until I see the FUNDAMENTALS of our economy changed for the better. Then I will know that rules will be in place to guide us toward a better future.
Most folk don't grok what a novel concept that the Great American Experiment was and is. They don't remember that Great Britain's government at the time was a fusion of the feudal and the corporate in a proto-fascist state. The primary stockholders of the British East Indies Company were the Royal family, the House of Lords and over half of the House of Commons AND they simply voted their company (themselves) a set of tax breaks designed to hobble (wipe-out) Colonial enterprise. The Colonists did more than declare war by an act of civil disobedience . . . They declared humanity free to assume self rule and capable of governing themselves.The Colonials did more that declare war by an act of civil disobedience . . . They declared humanity free to govern themselves.
It is that freedom that the Tea Baggers protest.
Maxrot,
Re: "I'm being cynical, but if I didn't admit to myself that I see crap everywhere, I wouldn't do anything about it."
If you were ignorant and didn't care, you wouldn't be on this blog or listening to Thom. (I can think of a few OTHER places you might be, though! LOL!)
Show of hands... who here believes the official spin that we're coming out of this depression?
I assume Sirhan was responsible...
re death of Gates.... boo hoo.
Chief Darrel Gates died today of cancer.
Well Quark, mankind is slow at some things, but on other things oh how we excel. Like weaponry, technology makes incredible leaps in time of war. I guess (sad to say) nothing motivates us as much as the chance to legally kill ourselves. Even the anarchy market doesn't drive progress like war does.
I know, I know, I'm being cynical, but if I didn't admit to myself that I see crap everywhere, I wouldn't do anything about it.
Maxrot,
It's worth remembering that there is such a thing as a tipping point. Once that is achieved, change can come unexpectedly quickly.
Maxrot,
It's a wonder mankind ever achieves anything --- the turnaround time is SO long (relative to our puny lifetimes.)
Maxrot,
Maybe the only way to overcome corporate slavery is with co-operatives.
Quark, we can all see the promised land, but we're personally not getting there. It is just our job to keep herding the sheep in the right direction.
Maxrot,
Unfortunately, corporations have replaced kings. I have thought, for the last 25 years, that we are all living as corporate serfs... I hope THAT changes for the better.
In a way, blacks and minorities getting more equity in the "family of man" is their history of overcoming their more direct "serfdom." So, maybe there IS hope...
@rladlof, Mark K has a lot to say, he has to hit the ground running.
Good Morning Quark. The problem with evolution (especially social evolution) is that its so slow the present changes are imperceptable. However, we do have history to look back on to see how things have changed.
Imagine talking to someone in the 15th Century and telling them that some day Kings will no longer rule the majority of countries, but that a lot of countries will be ran by their citizens. Or how about telling someone in the 17th century that Slavery will some day be virtually eliminated. Tell someone at the turn of the last century that women and blacks would be allowed to vote and move closer and closer to real equality.
In every instance, they would look at you and say, yeah OK, keep dreaming dreamer.