I know, that's the problem. We have public Fire Departments that will use the jaws of life to cut you out of your car, but then you better have insurance to take you to the ER.
I guess I am a little confused on a portion of what the Republicans are pushing for Health Care Reform.
They want Tort Reform as part of their solution. If I am not mistaken, did the Supreme Court not just hand down a ruling that "Money" is considered "Speech" for Corporations so the Supreme Court could not limit Corporations "Freedom of Speech"?
If that is the case, how can Republicans try to take away "Freedom of Speech" (Money) from the Citizens of this country by limiting how much money (Speech) we can sue Corporations for when they harm us with their actions? Isn't Freedom of Speech (Money) protected by the Constitution?
According to the Supreme Court (and, I am assuming, the Conservatives and Conservative Pundits that are lauding the ruling), there should be no monetary limitations placed on the Citizens of this Country when we have to take Corporations to court to recover damages from them.
If a jury of my peers decides I should get 500 Billion Dollars from a Corporation because they harmed me in some way, why do the Republicans think they should be able to limit my Constitutionally Guaranteed Freedom of Speech?
Some guy called Thom and gave the old argument, “I don't want to pay for someone else’s health insurance” as his reason against gov’t run health insurance. This argument holds no water since he already pays for health insurance for people he has no desire to support. Most services and products one purchases have health insurance costs buried into the price of the service/product. This guy has no say in who the company he’s sending money to hires. So I would imagine he can find many people he’d not want to pay health insurance for in each company he buys a product/service from. I have no health insurance but I know I pay for a lot of health insurance with all my purchases, and that’s what I don’t like.
Wait, Thom,
What about people with Aspeger's, ADD, ADHD, and Autism who are said to have limited empathy which disallows them to make those connections? (Of course I can't speak for everyone with such conditions.)
Last week Charles Krauthammer in an op-ed gave his usual nauseatingly arrogant and smug assessment of the Democratic congress and especially Obama’s "failure of leadership," at least as the Republicans define it. Somewhat odd given that the right has done everything it can to oppose Obama's agenda. But that was last week; this week Obama has taken some initiative that somewhat resembles a “tougher” approach to dealing with the opponents of his agenda (such as it is)—although, of course, still holding out the fig leaf of “bi-partisanship” for any Republican brave enough to wear it. It would seem, however, that Republican prefer to stand completely starkers before the American people, without the slightest hint of shame or embarrassment. It is amusing to note that in the midst of Obama’s rediscovered sense of purpose, Sean Hannity has lost some of his swagger after taking credit for “killing” health care reform, and Dick Morris is back to making a horse’s arse of himself resurrecting the government “death panel” shibboleth. Randi Rhodes also noted yesterday how the Republicans seemed rather more concerned about where they were eating their lunch than on the substance of the health care summit. To show just how disinterested (or completely unprepared) they are, Republicans wanted to know if they could work on “other business” besides health care.
Meanwhile, CNN’s Sanjay Gupta aired a brief piece on the high cost of health care, which he didn’t necessarily criticize. He noted that just the use of an operating room costs a patient $3,000 a pop. An IV bag cost $280; a surgical stapler $1,200; a chest tube $1,100; a needle for a biopsy $800; and suture threading $200. Some of this cost could be explained by so-called “administration” overhead, except that I doubt that doctor and nurse compensation was even included in this calculation. These costs are also inflated in part to cover “research and development,” and what some health industry flunky said was the government’s failure to provide sufficient funds to cover the cost of the uninsured (4 cents on the dollar, he claimed), but even if the uninsured did have insurance, this would only spread-out the overall cost, not reduce it. Now, if we had a public option, much more money would become available to spread-out that cost and make it less onerous on individuals who have to “pay” not just for the treatment of the uninsured, but everyone who works in a hospital. But I have little faith in the health care industry to do its part. It is easy enough to say tell the health insurance industry to cut the people whose job it is to say “no,” but health care providing is an ever-expanding industry, and reigning in the “administrative” costs of hospitals which would seem to be the single most difficult objective to accomplish.
There was something else of note to mention. Why is it that someone like Jon Stewart on Comedy Central has to tell us that the so-called credit card reform act is a sham? It doesn’t prevent credit card companies from jobbing consumers—they just now have to tell you beforehand that they are doing it.
@ Mark K - Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering if McCourt was trying to angle for some of that subsidy if he could demonstrate lost revenue. Why put a good team on the field if you can make more money with less effort?
First, I was just pointing out that the Yankees don't mind spending money to put a good product on the field, and secondly, the tax itself does not go to small market teams but subsidizes retired players' benefits programs and to "promote" baseball around the globe. The only money that is "distributed" to smaller markets is revenue sharing from television contracts.
The fact that out-of-pocket costs going down with the minimum coverage plans is lost on Republicans. Or, is it that their core constituents are not concerned about out-of-pocket expenses?
Bob, so sorry that I won't be contributing to you cans. My change goes toward my son's college fund. At the rate tuition is going up, I might be able to save enough to buy him a class or two.
James Clybourn was also hot. He was the only one to bring up that 37% of persons in a particular emergency room were using it as their primary care and many of these had health insurance from their employers, but that coverage did not allow them to see a Dr for some reason or another. The President is going a good job of keeping them at bay, though the unified attack did take place with Cantor right before the break. Also, there was a disagreement over interpretating CBO results as to whether premiums would rise. Obama says this was because those same people, given the optoin to pay more for greater value, would. I.e. paying for 'fake' vs real insurance.
During Lamar Alexander's rambling opening statement Obama was visibly frustrated with the tenor he was setting. Repubs plan was to talk for the sake of talking. Good to see him call them on it.
I don't think the point of this health care "summit" is to find a compromise. Instead, I think it is to show Repugs for what they are: greedy sociopaths.
I have an awesome business idea! I'm going to build enormous 7-11s in big cities across the country. These 7-11s will have *huge* counters at the front of each store with enough counter space for all of the coffee cans used to collect pennies, nickels and dimes for all of the people in that region that have health care bills that they cannot afford!
Did you hear what Brandon said? He said, "Well I have fire insurance..." That has nothing to do with paying for the Fire Department to come in to your house, rescue you, and put out the house fire. Once the fire is out, you call insurance to fix your house. Weather you are risky or not, has nothing to do with the cost of paying for the Fire Department. The fire department does not charge to rescue people and put out a fire or pull you out of a car wreck, or out of a hidden well, or anything else they do.
The President is having to teach about the concept of pooling. He is doing a good job. I wonder what Hilary thinks of what is happening. Why is she not there? Is she too much of a lightening rod?
@ Charles in OH
I know, that's the problem. We have public Fire Departments that will use the jaws of life to cut you out of your car, but then you better have insurance to take you to the ER.
I guess I am a little confused on a portion of what the Republicans are pushing for Health Care Reform.
They want Tort Reform as part of their solution. If I am not mistaken, did the Supreme Court not just hand down a ruling that "Money" is considered "Speech" for Corporations so the Supreme Court could not limit Corporations "Freedom of Speech"?
If that is the case, how can Republicans try to take away "Freedom of Speech" (Money) from the Citizens of this country by limiting how much money (Speech) we can sue Corporations for when they harm us with their actions? Isn't Freedom of Speech (Money) protected by the Constitution?
According to the Supreme Court (and, I am assuming, the Conservatives and Conservative Pundits that are lauding the ruling), there should be no monetary limitations placed on the Citizens of this Country when we have to take Corporations to court to recover damages from them.
If a jury of my peers decides I should get 500 Billion Dollars from a Corporation because they harmed me in some way, why do the Republicans think they should be able to limit my Constitutionally Guaranteed Freedom of Speech?
Some guy called Thom and gave the old argument, “I don't want to pay for someone else’s health insurance” as his reason against gov’t run health insurance. This argument holds no water since he already pays for health insurance for people he has no desire to support. Most services and products one purchases have health insurance costs buried into the price of the service/product. This guy has no say in who the company he’s sending money to hires. So I would imagine he can find many people he’d not want to pay health insurance for in each company he buys a product/service from. I have no health insurance but I know I pay for a lot of health insurance with all my purchases, and that’s what I don’t like.
Wait, Thom,
What about people with Aspeger's, ADD, ADHD, and Autism who are said to have limited empathy which disallows them to make those connections? (Of course I can't speak for everyone with such conditions.)
Last week Charles Krauthammer in an op-ed gave his usual nauseatingly arrogant and smug assessment of the Democratic congress and especially Obama’s "failure of leadership," at least as the Republicans define it. Somewhat odd given that the right has done everything it can to oppose Obama's agenda. But that was last week; this week Obama has taken some initiative that somewhat resembles a “tougher” approach to dealing with the opponents of his agenda (such as it is)—although, of course, still holding out the fig leaf of “bi-partisanship” for any Republican brave enough to wear it. It would seem, however, that Republican prefer to stand completely starkers before the American people, without the slightest hint of shame or embarrassment. It is amusing to note that in the midst of Obama’s rediscovered sense of purpose, Sean Hannity has lost some of his swagger after taking credit for “killing” health care reform, and Dick Morris is back to making a horse’s arse of himself resurrecting the government “death panel” shibboleth. Randi Rhodes also noted yesterday how the Republicans seemed rather more concerned about where they were eating their lunch than on the substance of the health care summit. To show just how disinterested (or completely unprepared) they are, Republicans wanted to know if they could work on “other business” besides health care.
Meanwhile, CNN’s Sanjay Gupta aired a brief piece on the high cost of health care, which he didn’t necessarily criticize. He noted that just the use of an operating room costs a patient $3,000 a pop. An IV bag cost $280; a surgical stapler $1,200; a chest tube $1,100; a needle for a biopsy $800; and suture threading $200. Some of this cost could be explained by so-called “administration” overhead, except that I doubt that doctor and nurse compensation was even included in this calculation. These costs are also inflated in part to cover “research and development,” and what some health industry flunky said was the government’s failure to provide sufficient funds to cover the cost of the uninsured (4 cents on the dollar, he claimed), but even if the uninsured did have insurance, this would only spread-out the overall cost, not reduce it. Now, if we had a public option, much more money would become available to spread-out that cost and make it less onerous on individuals who have to “pay” not just for the treatment of the uninsured, but everyone who works in a hospital. But I have little faith in the health care industry to do its part. It is easy enough to say tell the health insurance industry to cut the people whose job it is to say “no,” but health care providing is an ever-expanding industry, and reigning in the “administrative” costs of hospitals which would seem to be the single most difficult objective to accomplish.
There was something else of note to mention. Why is it that someone like Jon Stewart on Comedy Central has to tell us that the so-called credit card reform act is a sham? It doesn’t prevent credit card companies from jobbing consumers—they just now have to tell you beforehand that they are doing it.
@ Mark K - Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering if McCourt was trying to angle for some of that subsidy if he could demonstrate lost revenue. Why put a good team on the field if you can make more money with less effort?
Charles in OH:
First, I was just pointing out that the Yankees don't mind spending money to put a good product on the field, and secondly, the tax itself does not go to small market teams but subsidizes retired players' benefits programs and to "promote" baseball around the globe. The only money that is "distributed" to smaller markets is revenue sharing from television contracts.
The fact that out-of-pocket costs going down with the minimum coverage plans is lost on Republicans. Or, is it that their core constituents are not concerned about out-of-pocket expenses?
@Charles: re: "Eric Cantor is a douche bag."
That's an insult to douche bags everywhere.
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I am watching on c-span 3 http://www.c-span.org/Topics/Health-Care-Insurance-Reform-Legislation-To...
And I LOVE Jeremy Rikfin, in fact he was one of my guest request for Thom's show quite some time ago.
Bob, so sorry that I won't be contributing to you cans. My change goes toward my son's college fund. At the rate tuition is going up, I might be able to save enough to buy him a class or two.
James Clybourn was also hot. He was the only one to bring up that 37% of persons in a particular emergency room were using it as their primary care and many of these had health insurance from their employers, but that coverage did not allow them to see a Dr for some reason or another. The President is going a good job of keeping them at bay, though the unified attack did take place with Cantor right before the break. Also, there was a disagreement over interpretating CBO results as to whether premiums would rise. Obama says this was because those same people, given the optoin to pay more for greater value, would. I.e. paying for 'fake' vs real insurance.
During Lamar Alexander's rambling opening statement Obama was visibly frustrated with the tenor he was setting. Repubs plan was to talk for the sake of talking. Good to see him call them on it.
I'm watching the HC summit (currently in recess). Sorry to be missing Thom's show today, I'll try listening to both!
If CNN talkover bothers you, yahoo's playing it straight: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=4226934&ch=4...
Louise Slaughter is wonderful! Her testimony is amazing!
I don't think the point of this health care "summit" is to find a compromise. Instead, I think it is to show Repugs for what they are: greedy sociopaths.
Eric Cantor is a douche bag.
@ Tim - Oh, but the privately ran ambulance will charge you to take you to the hospital.
I have an awesome business idea! I'm going to build enormous 7-11s in big cities across the country. These 7-11s will have *huge* counters at the front of each store with enough counter space for all of the coffee cans used to collect pennies, nickels and dimes for all of the people in that region that have health care bills that they cannot afford!
KMH,
Maybe, as Secretary of State, her job description takes her elsewhere...
Hillary has no place because she's the Secretary of State. If the discussion was providing subsidies to Darfur, she would have a seat.
Cantnor is now back to 'we can't afford this.' Wants to go step by step.
Charles in OH
Exactly!
Did you hear what Brandon said? He said, "Well I have fire insurance..." That has nothing to do with paying for the Fire Department to come in to your house, rescue you, and put out the house fire. Once the fire is out, you call insurance to fix your house. Weather you are risky or not, has nothing to do with the cost of paying for the Fire Department. The fire department does not charge to rescue people and put out a fire or pull you out of a car wreck, or out of a hidden well, or anything else they do.
The President is having to teach about the concept of pooling. He is doing a good job. I wonder what Hilary thinks of what is happening. Why is she not there? Is she too much of a lightening rod?