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Get your tickets to "Avataristan" NOW! They cost only $100 Billion a year, plus some lives of people you probably don't know (soldiers and Marines and Afghanis ... who cares?) It satisfies your need for entertainment - What a bargain!
At the begging of the broadcast Tom mentioned watching a lecture before seeing the movie Avatar (great movie by the way). Does anybody remember the name of the person that gave the lecture?
and to Wendy..we need a support group..haha..
very good point bobbler with confusion helps get conservatives elected....also..the last response in which you say it is accepted if you don't kill anyone in your own group..also helping this is cognitive dissonance..which Columbus used when he wiped out the Arawaks on Hispanola..make what you are doing acceptable b/c the people you are hurting are evil and bad..pretty good mind games..WHAT AN EVIL MAN..and we revere him..(but that is another subject)
RE: ON AIR COMMENT:
Where does the Caucasian genocide gene come from (or something like that):
There was a chapter in one of Carl Sagans books called Monday Night Football. I remember enough to believe this is the mechanism at work.. We wonder why early hominids disappeared, and one of the theories is indeed genocide.. Pop foreward to modern times, maybe football funnels the agression energy..
Looking from another angle, entwining government power structures with religions has gone on througout history.. From the Catholic holy wars; where a general said "kill them all, god will know his own," to hitler using religion to climb to political power, to today, where many Christians (and Muslims) feel this is a holy war..
THOU SHALT NOT KILL:
I think I got this from Thom.. Not killing is usually intrepreted as applying to people in your own group (not those soulless heathens, for example)..
bobbler
Freethought Society
> OMG..I am listening NOW..and tell him..that Jesus Christ HIMSELF…NEVER
> mentioned gays…not one word against them..and there is NOTHING in the
> 10 commandments..don’t they find that curious..instead they glean this
> hateful dividing poison from Paul..and a few interpretations in the Old
You cant control how people interpret their bibles.. I think the gay issue has been magnified in politics because its a hot button for many (and confusion helps get conservatives elected)..
Bobbler
Freethought society
> DRichards December 21st, 2009, 11:44 am
> The fundamentalist want the US to be a Theocracy, not a Democracy. (If the
> fundamentalist want to live in a Theocracy, perhaps they should move to a
> country that has a Theocracy as a form of government).
There was a meme change about 100 years ago (I think is was Calvinism.. dont quote me on the name) that took Christianity from simply waiting for end times to be at their worst (before the scond coming). Changes to an agressive "claim this land for Jesus, and live in peace for 1000 years," to makle the scond coming happen..
So, I dont think they are going to move to another country..
bobbler
Having just been listening to the third hour on my drive home from work, I feel the need to share that I am a Jew, married happily to a Christian, am more than welcomed and very active with a Jewish congregation that is a member of the Union for Reform Judaism. Yes, some communities and Rabbis don't like interfaith marriages, but URJ's official policy is that it is permitted. Robert Knight shouldn't be talking about things that he knows nothing about!
Tom mentioned a web site and then began reading it...about inequalities and equal societies......I hate when he does that....I was away and didn't have time to write it down! And then when he finishes, he doesn't mention the site again.
Anyone?
I tell my fundamentalist relatives that fundamentalist Christians are not any different from the non fundamentalist; fundamentalist lie, cheat, & divorce at the same rate as non fundamentalist, except the fundamentalist comes across as being much more hypocritical.
LOL @vici377 - I live in Central PA too - and you're absolutely right! My own family members just astound me with their ignorance and bigotry - all the while proclaiming that they're "good Christian people".
I know my area has such a skewered perception of how things should be..I heard 2 women talking in the gym this a.m...the one said..I told her to get insurance and she doesn't qualify for any help or leave for her surgery and she was whining about it.(.DOES SHE HAVE A HEART?..)I do want to say..that I am in the heart of the "religious right"..I live in central PA...you know we have Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and its Alabama in the middle....and yet..they go to church every Sunday..talk about their neighbors through the week..(self-righteous walking arrogance)..and this is the kind of attitude we have to change in order to get any kind of progressive changes...I believe this is the greatest obstacle in accomplishing greatness..WHAT IRONY...
RE Health care, I had heard the Democratic Party, and it may have been Franken and other progressives that put in a cap that says insurers must spend 85% of premiums on actual health care. This will reduce their profits. Gradually, we can keep pushing this up so that we are taking the profit out of our brethrens misfortune and illness.
Here's a good book relating to the whole hunter gather society vs the modern industrial society:
Ishmael by Daniel Quinn
Easy read, to the point.
The fundamentalist want the US to be a Theocracy, not a Democracy. (If the fundamentalist want to live in a Theocracy, perhaps they should move to a country that has a Theocracy as a form of government).
Document #1147; November 8, 1954
To Edgar Newton Eisenhower
Series: EM, AWF, Name Series ; Category: Personal and confidential
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The Papers of Dwight David Eisenhower, Volume XV - The Presidency: The Middle Way
Part VI: Crises Abroad, Party Problems at Home; September 1954 to December 1954
Chapter 13: "A new phase of political experience"
Dear Ed:1 I think that such answer as I can give to your letter of November first will be arranged in reverse order--at least I shall comment first on your final paragraph.
You keep harping on the Constitution; I should like to point out that the meaning of the Constitution is what the Supreme Court says it is. Consequently no powers are exercised by the Federal government except where such exercise is approved by the Supreme Court (lawyers) of the land.2
Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
No matter what the party is in power, it must perforce follow a program that is related to these general purposes and aspirations. But the great difference is in how it is done and, particularly, in the results achieved.
A year ago last January we were in imminent danger of losing Iran, and sixty percent of the known oil reserves of the world.7 You may have forgotten this. Lots of people have. But there has been no greater threat that has in recent years overhung the free world. That threat has been largely, if not totally, removed. I could name at least a half dozen other spots of the same character.
http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/presidential-papers/f...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
Gawd, people who substitute the bible for the ability to think and quote only the passages they wish to proclaim are on the same line of those who point to the NAZI's for reasons to justify their desire for wars.
Let me scare you with a social taboo, then you'll do what I want.... mindless dribble.
OMG..I am listening NOW..and tell him..that Jesus Christ HIMSELF...NEVER mentioned gays...not one word against them..and there is NOTHING in the 10 commandments..don't they find that curious..instead they glean this hateful dividing poison from Paul..and a few interpretations in the Old Testament..I find it very curious..that it IS NOT IN THE 10 COMMANDMENTS..I mean you would think if it was that great of an abomination..that it would be there ..or that Christ himself would have mentioned it..I mean..if the result is going to hell..wouldn't it be in stated in something important..like Christ's message or the 10 cammandments?
Why not have a sex sperm and monthly ovum egg squad. They could come to our homes and track and monitor sexual position and account for every potential life form developed from that practice.
Save it for marriage? So that we can have Taliban laws requiring one spouse just has to take it from another spouse? ...by keeping them...in the dark?
Thom- ask this guy if he has ever had sex himself!
@Wendy- but it sure is entertaining! lol
Noam Chompsky! Yes! What a wonderful guest idea.
Re: Robert Knight
You can't talk sense into them, Thom. You just can't.
@Thom, I know this is off topic, but I've been listening to your radio program for a couple of years now. I can't recall you ever interviewing Noam Chomsky, I'm wondering if I ever missed such an interview, or if there was a reason why you don't interview him. I would immensely enjoy hearing such an interview and suspect I would learn much.
What if Microsoft failed??? Guess people would start learning about open source software like Linux. Hoo boy big corporations sure wouldn't like that concept getting main stream.