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We have to see that Brennan does not get approved for CIA job.
I keep wondering, too, where is our "Constitutional lawyer" president.
What a disappointment. That's one reason I voted for him.
Bin Laden should have been angry at the Saudi government for letting the U.S. build a base there. It's like the old story of transporting a snake that eventually bites you. You can't blame the snake.
It also reminds me of Christian fundamentalists here. When they think their kids don't get enough religion, they complain about the schools. But they should be complaining about the quality of their church, because it's not the school's job to provide religion.
Torture and drones are a sure way to gain enemies. How would you like it if a drone burst into your home?
I'll just go ahead and agree with Jamie Dimon. I don't have the will to enact austerity measures
... because I'm not an idiot, like he is.
Commas belong inside quotation marks.
This is a problem with the internet age. You are able to just say whatever you want without having to back it up. If you will possibly listen, I am more than happy to give you references.
Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."
Verse 48:29 - "Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."
Verse 66:9 - "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate."
The discussion I attempted to have with Thom was, we are not the same and Islam is not as tolerant as what I believe. Again, I do not hate Muslims. But the truth is the truth whether you choose to believe it or not. The world is round, regardless that in 1491 people believed it was flat. The earth did not become round in
What is the likelyhood of drones being used for much domestically, based on the cost of running them? How does it compare to the cost of a stakeout?
I should have proof read my typing, I meant to type I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE REFERENCES.
Why was Larisa Oleynik mentioned specifically? She's certainly not the only celebrity to take out a restraining order.
Speedbird9
I attempted to call back with the references, but was told I can only call once a week. I was also cut off.
Thank You
If you would like references I spoke of, I would be happy to share them with you. I do not hate Muslims, I only want the truth to be out there that I as a Christian am not expected to use force against anyone who does not believe what I believe. The Korna does call their belivers to use force and murder those who do not believe what they do. So you tell me who is more tolerant. You do not have to believe what I do, and that is okay. Do not think of me as a bigot or anything else. If you believe in something, you believe in it. I will assume you believe I should work more to provide more benefits for those who do not work. It is not those who will not work. There is a scriprture I will give you the reference if you want in the New Testament that says "If a man WILL not work, neither should he eat". It does not say cannot work, but will not. I spent 20 years defending your right to feel as you do in the United States Air Force and when I got out with a wife and a 2 year old daughter, I worked for $7 an hour to take care of my family rather than taking Federal or State benefits. Thankfully, I am much better financially today but that was 4 years ago. What I want to say to some people is, if things are so much better somewhere else, why don't you go there. I spent years around the world and my country is not perfect, but there is no place I would rather live. Why do so many come legally, or ILLEGALLY to my country. You could always retire to New Zealand.
I am not on a trip, and my name is Joe not John. Again I attempted to call back and was not allowed.
I think this illustrates very well how citizens deal with someone in power using it to act immorally. The glaring problem for Dems is that while we loudly protested GWB's immoral and illegal actions, the extent to which we have protested this seems smaller and nowhere near the effort that should be going on. There is a basic reality that no individual is going to be perfect as a leader. Especially in a country that has so many powerful players, outside as much as in. Also that these battles take a lot of sustained time and energy for long term success rates. We have a lot of issues to fight for change, more government action, and what specifically is enough or appropriate. Can we fight all battles or do we truly have to pick some and abandon or delay others?
I have urgent concerns about climate, the regulation of bankers and corps, and the interference with voting and legislative action. Gun violence, the justice and prison system, and the safety net are all in need of attention and improvement. Crumbling infrastructure, building a stronger middle class that also restores the revenue base, and education are problems that are going to hit us in the shorter run.
This is the potential for Organizing for Action to get enough voices raised to penetrate the DC bubble. On a lot of subjects. This should be one of them.
First of all, we're talking about Murder, not Health Care. One topic at a time please. Unfortunately, I have to agree with Global. (Did I say that?) Urrggg!
Regardless, Global makes a good point. This mess did begin with G.W. Bush. No question! Does that mean President Obama is guiltless? NO! We knew President Bush went off the deep end with our Bill Of Rights and due process. That is exactly why we elected a Constitutional Scholar. We as a people believed that he at least read the document. We were mistaken.
As far as I am concerned, for a "Constitutional" Professor to follow G. W. off the deep end of the Constitutional spectrum is a far greater crime. Personally, I hold President Obama far more responsible for not ending this blatant siege on our Constitution. The blame falls fully on his shoulders.
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It was once brought to my attention that the civilian casualties in Iraq alone number enough people to fill the Oakland Coliseum 12 times over. That's 12 Coliseums full of innocent victims screaming their heads off stacked one on top of each other, towering into the sky. The sound of 1 sold out Coliseum with happy fans during a Raider's Football game on Sunday is deafening. The sound of 12 such Coliseums stacked one on top of the other with dead Iraq civilian family's screaming for justice should be a sound we all can imagine in our minds.
As horrible of a notion as that is, conjuring such an entity in our minds might help us make the necessary actions to curtail the Military Monster in our midst. Compared to it's carnage, these lone nut shootings are mosquito bites on the back side of a horse.
Come on DenisePf, you can do better than that. Why not fill their list of dead people with every civilian--man, woman, and child--ever killed by a legal US Military weapon. If you really want it to reflect a lot of people who would endorse manditory universal gun control in this country, that's the list you want to make. Take the guns away from the people that do the most harm with them!
Here we go again blaming Bush, oh, by the way Mark, you forgot to blame Reagan this time. Obama gets a free pass again. Being the President when you are a democrat is the greatest job in the world it doesn't matter what you do its someone elses fault.
Global you are right when it comes to Health care. "be careful what you wish for it might come true".
My comment, ALICE, was more for a laugh, even though it is true. I wasn't looking for you to appologize, or feel the need to explain yourself.
However, since you keep mentioning that you "voted for the lesser of two evils", I will say this; Obama isn't/wasn't the lesser of two evils...The devil himself would have been a better choice. When you compare Mitt and Obama on the issues - both foreign and domestic - their agenda was the same.
What's worse is that we already had 4 years of Obamney...He proved himself not worthy of being a great leader Of, For, and By the People.
Had all those who caste a fear vote for Obama, and alll those who caste a fear vote for Mitt, voted for what they truely value we may have been able to elect Jill Stien, maybe even Rocky Anderson.
I was thinking "Damn, I want to retire to New Zealand..." Oh well. Anyone care to place a bet against this guy (John?) being "on a trip" actually calling back with his so called proof?
If you follow the trail of corpses left by guns, we can deduce that the NRA has always had an enemies list and a habit of shooting down those enemies, too.
These words are from Palindromedary not me. I just happen to agree with every one of them and thought they deserved repeating here:
"Maybe people's 'right' to transportation should be contained within mass transportation instead of the dangerous weapons (cars) that kill more people than guns ever did. I'm sure some people would go for this.
The problem with limiting guns to militias is that militias are small groups that can be more easily identified and watched and wiped out by smaller military or police forces than it would be if guns were owned by everyone. They are also politicized and usually have a rather dictatorial belief system, often of a religious bent. And unless you hold the same beliefs you are not welcome. And once one becomes a member of these organizations it would be hard to distance one from any radical decisions some 'leader' makes on behalf of the members. There is often a kind of herd mentality that can get you killed. Any time you 'join' an organization...say like Jim Jones People's Temple...you can expect to 'drink the cool-aid' one day. No, the People's Temple was not a militia but they did have many weapons, men who would use them, and suicide juice.
The uprisings in Libya, Egypt, and elsewhere..including the Occupy Wall Street groups that did not have 'leaders' that the authorities could identify, arrest, and/or control worked much better than a specific group that could be watched, actions anticipated, and controlled. But it is the very 'fear of a well armed people' (and they don't even have to conduct an armed rebellion...just the fear that it could happen if things got so bad) that would influence how our politicians conduct themselves.
Right now, they are using all the propaganda scare tactics...like a "billion rounds of hollow point bullets being distributed to government agencies"...and trying to build up their ability to spy on every citizen. As the wealthy 1%, and their capos, continue to squeeze every last bit of humanity out of everyone else they realize that one day the dam will break and well armed people could revolt against the tyrannous system.
We are starting to see the effects of the tyranny now...increased 'crime' rates...people going nuts...shootings....suicides. It'll get worse! And what will people do to protect themselves... huddle in a corner... under the bed... while the police finally show up and call in the coroner?
Sure, right now it is the military style weapons the authorities are going after but it won't stop there. Remember, guns don't kill people...people kill people. And if they don't have guns, they'll use knives or clubs or other methods to do mass murders. It has happened in China and other countries all by using clubs or knives...killing many school children and teachers. The genocide that killed almost a million people in Rwanda was mostly all done by clubs and knives."
Palindromedary and the NRA are right! We need to reinstate public funding of Mental Institutions to deal with this problem. Anything else is a wasted effort and a frontal assault on a free society.
May I suggest giving the NRA lengthy lists of other dead people to add to their enemies list?
Here is a beginning:
MLK, Gandhi, J. Lennon, ....
Probably lots of other good choices around. Choose especially those that have been killed by guns as these three were.
Daiy?
Yeah! Good point Dowdotica. Frank Zappa died of prostate cancer about a decade ago if I'm not mistaken. They must really mean business if there putting dead folk on that list. Someone screwed up royally. Or, maybe, their mad at one of the "Mother's of Invention?"
That, Global, is what is called a "non sequitur", i.e., one does not follow from the other. You really making some great leaps.
Anyway, it was your boy G.W. Bush that started this type of extrajudicial behaviour. It's nothing to do with bureaucracy.
That's really trying to villify bureaucracy beyond embellishment.
"MMmmNACHOS" says: "President Obamney is waaaaaaaay better then Mitt Robama...At least with Obamney you still can collect some government cheese!" and "It's the man you voted for!"
Yes sir, I voted for Obama, even though I'm no fan of his and am as fully aware as the rest of you of his serious inadequacies as a leader. Not a day goes by when I don't get the urge to bitch-slap the guy for his stupid, dangerous policies. You'll never hear me defending the man. But if Thom Hartmann voted for him (as I strongly suspect he did), I'm in good company. Because R&R would have been way, way worse. So you guys can keep right on poking and jabbing me for voting like I did, and pointing out what I already am painfully aware of. I'm a tough ole gal; I can take it. But I still refuse to apologize for my vote. Sorry if it pisses you off.
As I already explained to No Fraud at great length, I've been on both sides of this issue. In previous elections I've voted for my favorite candidates, knowing full well that they hadn't a snowball's chance in hell of winning in this rigged system of ours. I picked Nader over Gore in 2000, despite the objections of my politically savvy mother who accused Nader of being a "divider" and a "spoiler". It seems that no matter what choice I make, it's gonna alienate some of my fellow progressives. Oh well, them's the breaks. This election I went the other way and voted for the lesser of two evils, which I did with very mixed feelings. It was a no-win for me, as I suspect it was for a lot of people.
Anyway NACHOS, I appreciate where you are coming from and I empathize. But the election is over my friend, and you are beating a dead horse. - Aliceinwonderland
Mike-C says: "It’s okay to have low wages..." and "Please don’t’ wreck a working system! Let’s keep those low wage jobs alive and well!"
I hope you are only kidding. It sounds cheeky but I'm not quite sure. Anyway, there is nothing "okay" about low wages. They rob us of the autonomy true freedom requires. Without autonomy, we're vulnerable to the whims of the toadies at the top of the ole dung heap. - Alice I.W.