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is it really stealing if i am asking it to all be taxed equally? How do you think rich people get rich? Certainly not by scraping bubble gum off of sidewalks for a living or hustling grocery carts at Wal-Mart. All one need have is a bit of capital (something i've never had much of but certainly pissed away trying to play the game) and properly maintained over 20 years can in fact reap a sizable return the tragedy however is the tax code. that fat cat over there? he plays the market and knows the game, gets to have that thing called capital loss carry over for when ever he loses and uses it to offset other gains and son on in conjunction to other holes in the code. But Joe the trucker and his stripper wife? if their 401k tanks? they are screwed. Just recall the recent past market heist!!!wink,wink. People from minimum wage trying to save for retirement to retirees took a monster shaft and yet? the top one percaent as well as many of our congress folk all have increased their personal wealth sizablly by comparison and i bet as sure as Bob's your uncle very few of them pay much in income tax by comparison!!! Just syaing, you know?
It was the corporations that began holding all of it's workers, and the lives of the worker's families, hostage with reduced wages, increased workloads, and reduced benefits. That's why there were, and are, unions to fight the corporations that do this in the first place.
Greed of the corporations came first. If corporations had been honest and fair... unions would never have had the attraction of the workers who were only fighting for survival...and perhaps the workers, and their families, took the psychological bait of being psyched by advertizing into buy things they were made to want. Then corporations used the allure of "get it now..pay later" with all of their psychological tricks to entrap people in debt.
The President of the United States has the power to raise the debt limit without action by Congress. He is responsible for protecting America from her enemies at home or abroad. If Congress fails to pay its debts then the President must step in to be an adult. The Republicans are in a death spiral. They cannot get over the fact that the American public does not buy their story.
...once again what in the H E double toothpicks does the rape of medicare and social security have to do with getting us out of the hole they dug us into? It's just stupid, stupid, stupid. Stupider yet? That pathetic law recenetly passed they call the "American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012"? hu wha? What a joke, seriously!!! It'll still take a million years to get us out of debt. We need some hardliners with spines down in Washington to run the obstructionist out of town and re-write the code so that every bottom line taxable dollar is taxed "EQUALLY, EQUALLY, EQUALLY"!!!!!. Then we would not have this problem. Cap Gain TAX bump to 20% but only for those in the 39.6% tax bracket? Laughable, truly!!! What about all the blue chip hobby traders that even with a w-2 and a bit of cap gain. Sure dude pays a higher rate on his w-2 but doesn't have to pay jack on his cap gain? And don't give me the jive about how gambling in the market deserves some sort of incentive for supposedly keeping the economy moving!!! Just check out the WSJ today and the article about how india is trying to move to a sell it here make it her societal model!!!! Think about it, India? That use to be us!!! How about that same old rant of mine about the taxable 100k only paying $2,800 in tax while Joe the trucker and his cute wife the waitress putting 5 kids through Berkely on 84k of taxable income having to pay $13,000 in taxes? This my fellow ranting bloggers and trolls is whats wrong with America!!! The working class w-2s and even the middle class w-2s still pay the bulk of the bill and to this day and 5 years into tax complinace i have yet to see them get a good deal!!!! I want to cash out 1/3 of my IRA to pay off my mortage with out tax or penalty!!!! that would make me a believer again!!!lolThe state of affairs is short of insane!!!ARGH!!!
Hopefully Obama will use the 14th Amendment and raise the ceiling so we can get on with
the business of the day.
Bypass the lousy Republicans in the House and get it done President Obama.
Your right about 30 years ago we had to start competing in a world market, including labour so when unions held companies hostage for huge pay increases they took off to Japan, when things became to expensive in Japan it was Tiawan, and now China, looks like India next. Thats how the world works whether we like it or not.
I am not sure how, as mentioned earlier, Bill Gates stole your money. that makes no sense to me at all. I know I am not happy when I see a guy like Al Gore who made $100,000,000.00 working for the Government or some actor making $20,000,000.00 a film it doesn't seem fair but good on them I guess. What they make is none of my business.
Besides Palin, my Mom taught me not to steal. I was taught to work hard and earn it.
That sounds like nit-picking! I've seen and heard Alex before and really wouldn't consider that a meltdown. For him it was just more intense anger!
I'm guessing Alex Jones is not much of a student of history. "1776 will commence again" implies that gun owners are going to write a letter to the President, like the Declaration of Independence to King George III. If he had said "1775", the year the Revolutionary War started, it would sound like he's suggesting an uprising.
And in listing governments that took away guns, he omits England under the Catholic Tudors, who took guns away from Protestants. This was, in fact, one of the major reasons for the Second Amendment. As in Germany under Hitler, the goal under King Charles was to empower one demographic over another, and of course that's wrong. Keeping untrustworthy individuals from having guns is an improvement to the community and to any use of the militia.
The wealth largely resides in private hands, whereas the political issue pertains to the federal deficit and future obligations.
The 9 Step Process Bankers Use to Force Global Slavery Upon Humanity
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-08/9-step-process-bankers-u...
And it's not just the Banksters...it's all the rage in the corporate world as well.
First off...it is a good chance that you already sold part of the company to the Chinese..the labor part..our jobs.
"other people's money?" it was ours to begin with until it was stolen from us by selfish, greedy capitalist pigs who are so Onanistically greedy that they don't realize what part of "other peoples money" was in fact "the people's money" to begin with.
Gotcha JOHNGUTTA...Seems logical and rational enough to me. That being said...What's the drawback? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Thank you, JohnGutta! ☮
Very good rebuttals !
That's not what we want and you know it! And a progressive tax system and government controls and laws to keep the capitalist wolves from devouring everyone else (as is the case now) would still have very wealthy people but would not have a starving class that replaced the middle and lower classes.
I mentioned that America is a resource and asset rich country that can easily afford a living wage for all of her workers when I entered this discussion about law buying and tax policy a few days ago.
Your comment is primarily a rant listing symptoms and lamenting effects of law buying and low marginal tax rates in detail. Other than disrupting a discussion of remedies, it accomplished nothing. ( Actually, judged by Kend's last contribution, the discussion had already ended.)
It is obvious that it was the rich people, who now have all the money, that stole from the rest of us in the first place. Things were going along just fine until a little over 30 years ago when Reagan first fired all the airline controllers..before which most people were still making a fairly decent living with decent health care, etc. But since then, businesses and corporations began to cut back on wages and benefits. Then they began to ship our jobs overseas.
THEY were the ones to start this economic war against the rest of us. THEY are the ones that have already stolen from us. Now, it is time we steal some of it back!
Actually, not a real gun...with bullets...but a more devious "gun"...a psychological one...that compels us to buy their products.
Why do you suppose so many people feel compelled to buy products? Advertisers, in all of their devious ways from TV commercials to subliminal inserts of products in movies and TV shows, knows very well how to control people's minds and actions. Some might argue that we can all, by choice, ignore these psychological snares and not buy these advertised products based on common sense.
The greedmeisters have honed their tools of dissecting our brains and know what neurons, axons, and dendrites to zap to get us to act in our own worst interests and in their best interests. They have made us all desire to have things...things that the rich have...that we are inferior no-bodies without these things...and they have made it possible for us to get some of these things (for the short term anyway--read the fine print) with trickster gimmicks like credit cards..debit cards..easy mortgages...no money down.
Like lemmings drawn to the cliff overlooking the ocean to the tune of the piper the rich are annihilating the suckers who believed in the system, who drank the Cool Aid.
Like Nazi prisoners, disrobed, stripped of all their wealth, gold teeth fillings, etc, humiliated, and then sent to their death in the gas chambers, people around the world are about to meet the same kind of fate from those greedsters who are evil and most vile.
I think I found the solution, all the far left should become a Omish or a Hurrerite. Its perfect, everyone has the same house, same income, same food, work the same amount of hours. A Liberal dream isn't it. Oh except the fact you have to work hard.
As I read day after day of all the ways the Liberals are trying to steal money from weathly people it is clear to me the problem is simple. The number of people that work for a living has been out numbered by the amount of people who vote for a living. Kinda sad isn't it.
With a truly progressive tax system the rich will still be rich and some people will always aspire to that position...they just won't be so filthy rich, as they are now, that they could never really benefit from it, ever! But a whole lot of other people will not be so desperate and struggling to survive. Their children are innocent victims of a system based solely on greed where the few at the top were, in many cases, just lucky or ruthless. Most of these rich people never really "earned" all of that wealth...they inherited it and/or they were more skilled at deceit and manipulation of other people, or they were just plain lucky.
What's wrong with a progressive solution rather than an incremental one. The more you make, the more you have to give back. Instead of large incremental jumps say the top 1% or 2% or 3%...or those who make over $1million/year or over $500,000/yr or over $100,000/yr why not for every $1000/yr you pay a gradually increasing tax...a fraction of a percent?
I think the way they are doing it now is just a divide and conquer tactic pitting those who have drank the capitalist Cool Aid, believing that they too will one day "make it" and those who have "made it" against the rest of us who will, most likely, never make it (because we are not devious, or conniving, or selfish, or greedy as those who have, maybe?).
And as for spending? Let's have public beheadings of politicians who are found to be porking it up or taking bribes (campaign contributions). And instead of massive Pentagon spending...have our Generals battle it out with other Generals instead of sacrificing our sons and daughters, uncles and fathers..and most of all...innocent civilians in other countries.
So, then, why are the people who are most loudly screaming about a debt problem the biggest supporters of wasteful DOD spending?
And it seems to me that there are two credit cards...one that is needed to keep people from starving to death.
And one that is used for buying luxury items like yachts and expensive entertainment... like killing lots of people.
The first one has a spending limit that is kept artificially low...starving people.
The second one has no spending limit that is killing lots of people.
I think that both of these ideas fits in to the current scheme of world depopulation that the rich have been wanting for a long time now.
Ever watch the movie The Hunger Games?
And besides it was the rich people who became rich by stealing from everyone else in the first place.
Please explain how.....I have purchased many Microsoft products and gotten value for my money. I did not see Bill Gates putting a gun to my head to buy the software.
LOL....we all become the "Rich" people. Then I suspect that taking money from others will not be the great option it once was. I am not sure the progressives have thought through the whole redistribution thing. In addition to the problem you indicated, there will be issues along the way such as motivation....why work hard to be rich when it will be taken from you....or you move to a less "Generous" country.