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Simple - it's call REASON! I didn't believe what Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld put together on the Iraq because the facts were just NOT there.
OBL is dead and I believe what the Obama administration is saying based on facts AND the fact that a major portion of his administration could NOT be ALL lying! Or that a military operation such as a SEAL/DELTA strike is fake!
A reasonable person with a modicum of reasoning can deduce this with no problems at all, with a stress on "Reasonable".
This is not over. A lot of Intel was grabbed - hard drives, storage devives, etc - was taken. There will be more take downs.
Here is an interesting quote I read the other day by Anais Nin - "We see things NOT as they are but as we are".
Ponder on this for awhile. Your hatred of Obama is fogging your reasoning.
Expelling Gas
What I cannot understand why people who have been married for thirty or forty years are divorcing. As a person grows older, his body does not function normally. Here is an example. When I eat, my internal plumbing does not digest the food as easily as it did at a younger age. This slow digestive process develops more air pockets in the colon. With more air pockets there is more expelling gas. Some women tire of the continuous stench in the air. What I try to do with more air pockets in my colon, I go into the basement or outside the home. At times I cannot hold back the expelling gas. To date my wife has not complained about my discombobulated internal plumber but a man never knows what is going through a woman’s mind. I share these words with you so you can use extreme caution with the frequency in expelling gas as you grow older in the presence of your wife.
Mr. Thom Hartmann is one of the leading practitioners of Neuro-Linguistic programminmg, he knows all the dirty tricks, luckily he is not half is clever as he thinks he is , nor are the masses as gullible as they used to be. Mr. Hartmann erroneously believed that by simply changing the subject over and over by bringing up Ayn Rand, Glenn Beck and other irrelevant nonsense in his interview with Alex Jones would throw off his listeners, basic NLP tactic. I'd give my listeners more credit than to fall for that if I were you, we're becoming more sophisticated in the twitter age, the diversionary slight of hand NLP tactics won't be nearly as effective on us anymore, Mr. Hartmann.
"There is no way that a whole administration is lying and made this up."
Why not? Do you believe that the whole Bush administration made up WMD and Mushroom Clouds and lied to the American people? I do. And I believe that it is not beyond belief that any politician lies. Especially, since it has been proven that the current administration has lied. If Obama didn't lie when he was campaigning for the Presidency then why did he renege so much and sell out to the ruling elite? Wikileaks shows that the Obama administration has lied...why do you think they are so ticked off at Julian Assange? He embarrassed them. Eisenhower lied when he said that the US was not spying on the Russians at high altitudes with U2 spy planes and, of course, he was embarrassed and caught in his lie when the Russians shot down Gary Powers. It's not a far-fetched belief that lies are constantly being told by those in power. And the Obama administration is no different..in that respect...they tell lies. Big lies! So why should we believe them that they are telling the truth about OBL when they hastilly, and very suspiciously, dump the proof in the ocean? How very convenient! Did it not occur to them that people would find this highly suspicious? I don't think they were so dumb...they know how Americans will buy the official story...many bought into the official 911 story....so why not this one. They probably had no other choice but to get rid of evidence that would have proven their lies to be lies. But they are sure playing us all for big dummies...at least those who don't challenge their lies. You can't tell me that these people were trying to appease Muslim sensitivity when they have tortured people and wiped their a$$es on pages of the Koran....flushed them down toilets. Besides the Military Industrial Complex still needs enemies...lots of enemies...to continue raking in all that blood money. And Obama eats right out of their hands.
A Fact of Religious history. When the Catholic Church governed and controlled the Western World during the Middle Ages - especially from 1100-1600 - they created and administered and refined the greatest torture reign ever - THE INQUISITION and had a GRAND INQUISITOR in charge. They also were the creators of a torture tactic called WATER BOARDING, one which they refined in exquisite detail. The modern torturers in chief - Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld - adopted this "Enhancement Technique" in modern form.
It is no secret that the Catholic Inquisition and the Catholic church during the middle ages was the most autocratic and dictatorial and cruel governments in human history. They created and cultivated the torture chambers and tortured and murdered millions of heretics and non-believers. (And don't forget the MANY Crusades they waged against the Infidels - MUSLIMS!) The only thing that eventually put a stop to this torture was the Protestants and rising Secular governments.
So for Catholics to state what they state in the Pax above is highly hypocritical!
Here are three articles for patriotic Americans to read.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Gotcha-by-Craig-Coogan-110503-387.html
OBL wins!!!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/We-re-1-by-Ed-Lytwak-110502-833.html
Our Anti-Christ nation is number one!!!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-American-empire-create-by-Frosty-Wooldridge-110502-979.html
America is killing herself!!!
"The fact that he didn't follow through with his pre-election bravado about getting out of the war in the middle east"
- fighting troops are out of Iraq, troops will be witdrawn from Afganistan shortly as scheduled.
"and shutting down the torture chambers the US set up...."
He tried but remember New York, Bloomberg and the Republicans? They fought this tooth and nail!
"The fact that he went right along with bailing out high roller derivative gamblers that used people's savings and lost, and the fact that he is'
This happened under Bush! Forget this also! The Bailout happened under the BUSH administration.
"by every conceivable indication in the pocket of corporations"
Facts. Any proof? How so?
....The fact that his whole demeanor, after winning the Presidency, has not been one that suggested he is working for the majority of Americans or even of those Americans who voted for him. All these facts"
What facts are these? I would like you to provide some. This is simply hear-say.
"count against any chance of Obama remaining in office in the next election cycle. He blew it...and he blew it bigtime..and some cocamamie lie they tell about getting OBL just doesn't hold water...no pun intended."
Prove the Lie! None of your statments hold ANY water either!
I am not a sheltered American and I will most certainly not let ANY of your lies and distortion of 'Reality" go by without any challenge.
PAX CHRISTI USA OFFICIAL STATEMENT
ON THE DEATH OF OSAMA BIN LADEN
The killing of Osama bin Laden is an occasion for deep reflection. It must become a turning point in our nation's nearly decade-long wars in response to the tragedy of 9/11. As people of faith, and as Catholics who, only days ago, celebrated Christ's victory over condemnation, torture and death, we pause in this moment in a posture of prayer and repentance. As Christians we are troubled by the displays of celebration and call upon all people of good will to pause and reflect rather than rejoice and exalt. We pray for the victims of that terrible day in September: for their families and loved ones, whose lives were changed forever; we pray for the first responders whose sacrifice and heroism inspired a shocked and grieving nation and who laid down their lives in an effort to save others; and for the countless volunteers who spent weeks amidst the rubble, dust and death at Ground Zero and who continue to suffer serious health effects today. However, we also mourn our nation's misguided response to the events of 9/11, the carnage and mayhem unleashed, the distortion of our deepest values, the abandonment of our highest principles and ultimate subversion of our national character. And so our prayers extend beyond those victims of September 11th and focus also on the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and across the globe as a direct result of our response.
The spiral of violence of which Pax Christi warned in September 2001 has sadly remained unbroken. The killing of bin Laden becomes one more waypoint in a quest for vengeance that will, as all acts of violence do, lead to ever more violence and death. The cycle must be broken. To do so will take much courage and sustained effort. Our prayers for the victims, both of bin Laden's violence and our militarized response, must give way to true repentance-a turning away from violence as a path to national redemption...
"The fact that he punishes
The fact that he punishes whistleblowers instead of praising them...that secrecy in the White House is even more so with Obama than with Bush...that they are so anti Wikileaks and cruel and inhumane toward Bradley Manning......"
Wow! A big List! The two are not even close!
"The problem is that Americans are so sheltered from reality that they will fall for anything."
You are kidding, Right? You, of all people are saying this? After all that you state in this blog?
Well, I am one of those who is NOT sheltered, and certainly do not take in verbatim what you or anyone else state!
"The imagination can be more frightening than reality," This is TRUE! Read all the conspiracy theories in this blog! The end of the world is coming - your words also! Wonder which version you ascribe to - flood, nuclear, Comet, other?
Let’s get real here. Reality is where if you jump off a 500 foot cliff without any parachute, you will most certainly be dead due to real gravity! Imagination is where you would grow wings. The two are NOT mutually exclusive!
If one has a modicum of basic reasoning power, one can come to the conclusion that what the Obama Administration has stated about OBL is a Fact. There may be some small inconsistencies, but the fact remains that they did kill OBL and buried him out at sea.
There is no way that a whole administration is lying and made this up. To do so, is to succumb to insanity and make believe and, as you state, deny Reality!
The fact that he punishes whistleblowers instead of praising them...that secrecy in the White House is even more so with Obama than with Bush...that they are so anti Wikileaks and cruel and inhumane toward Bradley Manning......
If Barack Obama is on the ticket, I will vote for him. I cannot vote for a fascist or a Nazi.
Election of 2012
Barack Obama will not be re-elected in 2012!!!
Here is some information for my prediction.
I believe that at least ten million plus voters will be removed from the voting rolls in 2012 and beyond. The lines for voting in urban areas will be long with fewer voting machines in urban precincts. The electronic voting machines are rigged to include more Republicans receiving the majority of votes.
Our electronic voting machines are rigged to keep Satan’s disciples in the majority forever. Florida’s law will also keep Satan’s disciples in the majority forever.
Florida has passed into law the ability to curtail voter registrations and making it next to impossible for low-income persons, students, and racial minorities from voting. Florida is definitely a Nazi-controlled state where Satan’s disciples prevail over the citizens. There should be minimal doubt that Nazi America has more disciples wearing brown shirts and jackboots. These devils are truly Nazis who prowl the fifty states seeking the ruin of souls.
My wife has a knitting class one day per week. In the class is a woman whose aunt is approaching ninety. She lives in Florida. Her driver’s license needs to be renewed. Plus, she needs to re-register to vote. The aunt needs the original birth certificate, the original marriage license, her husband’s death certificate to prove she is a widow, and proof of permanent residency for Florida, such as a home, townhouse, or condominium. I do not know if an apartment, senior citizen home, or trailer qualifies for permanent residency. Florida is harassing the elderly, taking away their freedoms and rights, and removing them from the voting booth and polls. The conservatives seek to always be in the majority. Our Supreme Court really runs Nazi America and the Court will vote in Florida’s favor that its law is constitutionally sound. The Catholic Mafia on the Supreme Court is anti-poor and anti-working class. The U.S. Supreme Court is an extension of our Anti-Christ nation.
I believe that most people who make comments on Thom’s blog will admit that they have learned much from listening to his radio show. We know that Thom is intelligent and in his early school years he was placed in a gifted program. Gifted students can learn more quickly than average students. Thom was able to learn quickly. He is a progressive person and he believes that America has a future. I am twelve years older than Thom and no way close to his gifted intelligence. Age does have some value. I must disagree with Thom and say that the United States of Mortal Sin does not have a future.
Even Einstein is no way near as intelligent as Satan’s disciples, the conservative crazies, the GOP, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Tea Baggers, the Lobbyists, the rich, and American corporations. These groups are brilliant.
You have only to know and read Florida’s law to see other states following and modeling their laws to be similar to Florida’s law.
I am not a psychiatrist. I am only an average person who can offer an opinion. I would have to say that the United States of Mortal Sin, aka an Anti-Christ nation, is certifiably crazy where most Americans are psychotic. People may disagree with me but there can be no doubt that most Americans are sociopaths, the lunatic fringe. Believe it or not!!!
Progressives are grasping to be excited at anything. Here is an example. The polls reveal that Nazi governors’ numbers are low in the polls. Polls do not excite me because the Nazis will always remain in the majority. Here are my reasons. Our electronic voting machines are rigged. Factual! The Nazis will eliminate from voting – low income people, students, and racial minorities. Factual! In heavy Democratic districts voting booths will be scarce so that the voting lines are long. Factual! The lobbyist party with the money will pay off politicians to vote a certain way. Factual!
I was asked what I would do if I had the power to improve our election process, such as having our citizens being able to vote. Here are some of my words.
I would like to see ACORN return to have citizens register to vote. Since I am over 60, I can vote by an absentee ballot. Voting by mail may require more scrutiny of qualified voters but voting by mail should be part of the voting process. I believe that the voting booths should open on a Tuesday at the scheduled date, such as 7:00 AM and the voting booths will close at 11:00 PM on Wednesday. That would mean the polls would be open for forty hours. More voting machines in urban areas! A treasonous act for rigged electronic voting machines must be definite! Companies rigging the election or any state and federal person as well as American citizens who rig or elections will need to be prosecuted as traitors against the United States. We must welcome into the voting process more low income voters, the aged population voters, and racial minority voters! We need to be a true democracy in our country before we preach, kill, and maim human populations in other countries to embrace our democracy! I am definitely for having all AMERICANS vote and all AMERICANS should be encouraged to vote by making all AMERICANS feel like they are AMERICANS!!!
The poem below by Langston Hughes reveals his feelings and thoughts and his feelings and thoughts are similar to my personal feelings and thoughts.
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15609
@TimFromLA, a very excellent point!!! What heart and what brain?
I agree with Crea8peas but as for lyris:
Yes, the President has limited powers but it sure didn't limit his appointments that showed right away whose side he was on. The fact that he shied away from his pre-election bravado when it came to war crimes committed by the previous regime shows he is unworthy. He just "wanted to get along" and not make waves. We voted for him to make waves...big waves..and, had he made more of a sincere effort at proving he was not a Republicant toady then I would probably vote for him again. But how stupid do you have to be to not see that he, unsuccessfully, tried to play politics as usual and sell out to the enemy. The health care bill they passed is a giveaway to the health care criminals and they are now going to rip the constitution to shreds and force everyone to pay criminal healthScare corporations what little money they have left for very questionable health care. The healthScare corps will have us all forced to pay whatever they want. If they only had included a public option to give us an alternative to the criminal healthScare gangsters....but no, they were just interested in getting anything they thought they could claim as a feather in their hats. But that feather was from a vulture.
The fact that he didn't follow through with his pre-election bravado about getting out of the war in the middle east and shutting down the torture chambers the US set up.... The fact that he went right along with bailing out high roller derivative gamblers that used people's savings and lost, and the fact that he is by every conceivable indication in the pocket of corporations....The fact that his whole demeanor, after winning the Presidency, has not been one that suggested he is working for the majority of Americans or even of those Americans who voted for him. All these facts count against any chance of Obama remaining in office in the next election cycle. He blew it...and he blew it bigtime..and some cocamamie lie they tell about getting OBL just doesn't hold water...no pun intended.
Before everyone forgets, again, the Bush administration started 2 Wars, one based on lies, tortured prisoners, screwed up in Tora Bora when they had OBL located, allowed an almost fatal financial meltdown, gave up on locating OBL! It goes on and on! Not only was the Bush administration the most incompetent in American history, they were the most dictatorial and war-mongering and possibly corrupt. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were all CHICKEN-HAWKS, draft dodgers and torturers!
I would like a comparable list for Obama.
The Obama administration is a prime example of the Right way to lead and govern. The Bush administration is a prime example of how NOT to lead and govern!
nemediaoc is correct:
The problem is that Americans are so sheltered from reality that they will fall for anything. The news media will not show the really terrible things (photos or videos) of people who our bombs and bullets have ripped apart. But Al Jazeera does...if you get it. And it had a great affect on the minds of American's attitude toward the Vietnam War when photos and videos started being viewed by Americans. The ruling elite made viewing such scenes a no-no from then on. Hence, control over news people and absolute control over the major news media. The government does not allow Americans to view the coffins or body bags of American soldiers that return from the war. They want people to be malleable and not abhorred by reality....except through their lies that will frighten us to assent to their criminal actions....like lies of WMD and Mushroom Clouds while they are picking our pockets and feeding our children into the war machine.
The imagination can be more frightening than reality, though. But the imagination can be steered and nudged or channeled in the direction the controllers desire. But it looks like this whole death of OBL and burial at sea is not taking on the acceptance that they had hoped. I have seen some democrat politicians on TV that look like they have seen a ghost, or something in trying to defend their actions. One looked like she was about ready to cry.
@ Lyris: I suggest that most of our politicians need to (re-) read the Constitution since they're the ones who are trampling all over it.....
I'm well aware of the filibustering of the GOP.....I'm also aware of how weak President Obama has come across, many times. Your excuses for him do not account for his selections....men & women in key positions who were from corporations, which they now must "regulate." HA! (Revolving doors) He also appointed many Bush people, especially when it came to the money & banking areas....the same people who helped to create or perpetuate the problems we now face. As Einstein said, problems won't be solved by the same thinking that created them. Obama HAS had some opportunities to change things & hasn't. The Patriot Act....? The whole TSA fiasco? I rather doubt the President would stand by & pleasantly watch HIS young daughters get "felt up" by the TSA "professionals," as Neopolitano called them. What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander in this country....it's all about money & power.
You may wear your rose-colored glasses if you like, but I've taken mine off. The truth is unsettling but it is what it is. Obama isn't who we thought he was, or would be.
Well so much for optimism! Fact: your hatred of Obama is clouding your logic center and your sensibilities!
I would suggest you concentrate your hate on Karl Rove, the rabid neo-conservatives, and the neo-fascist corporate elites who are destroying America. Really!
2950-10k is absolutely spot on - he may have some gripes about liberals, but it certainly does not cloud his thinking. Obama IS our only hope! Another 8 years of fascist repug rule, and America will most certainly be a fascist and dictatorial state.
And when all is said and done, Obama will go down in history as one of our great Presidents; and that is what is driving white supremacists absolutely rabid!
Unfortunately the reality of Bin Laden's death could become very clear with suicidal retaliations in Europe and on our soil, although I hope I'm wrong. Imagine how this would play out in the republican mass media.
Violence only breeds more violence,especially with religious Zealots, despite which intolerant close minded view they might have!
Alex Jones needs to lay off the fast-food, it's restricting blood flow to his brain, much like most doughy republicants!
"Tim, It's useless, Rove, Dick ,and George are all still lost on the yellow brick road getting crapped on by flying monkeys! No courage to be found anywhere around these draft dodgers!" I liked that one! That was pretty funny.
"the deathers will likely be unsatisfied with pictures anyway – they’re demanding the long-form corpse."
Now that's funny! But claiming that they buried OBL at sea and that we should take their word for it is even funnier. Since when do we believe the government...especially a government that is controlled by the criminal ruling elite?
Do you think they can get as much mileage out of the "deather" sound bite as they did, and should have, with the "birther" sound bite? Maybe we will have to wait for Wikileaks to leak the pictures...or maybe they have already been leaked and that is why some in government are urging that they be shown to the public. I'd like to know why the news media is saying practically nothing about the 22 people that got killed along with the alleged OBL. All I've heard the lying lapdogs say is that our heroic special forces went in and cause very little "collateral damage". Yeah, right!!!
Tim, It's useless, Rove, Dick ,and George are all still lost on the yellow brick road getting crapped on by flying monkeys! No courage to be found anywhere around these draft dodgers!
Obama carries out Bush policies with a face of an angel. No photos videos period for whatever time frame of Bin Laden's demise. The mission to keep the public in fear whilst terrorizing the darker races continues for their individual wealth and power. The idea of Bin Laden having plastic surgery and living in exile would not be far fetched.
Thanks for replying, 2950-10k:
I don't have as much hope anymore, I'm afraid! I don't think electing Obama for another term will make much difference in what the ruling elite wants vs what we get. Obama is just not doing the things that he should be doing to warrant another term in office. I don't buy it that Obama is our only chance. That's what they are counting on....making people believe that...while they don't do the job the people elected them to do. Chance for what...appointing more Supreme Court Justices....and just how more "compromises" do you think Obama will get taken for in that? Real change will never happen until the people are so pissed off that they are ready to blow their lids..and will not go along with what amounts to blackmail..and yet another institutional Democrat Party will no longer act as a bait-and-switch pressure relief valve. When people wise up and see that it is going to take more than just another election or just another Democrat term in office and really get ticked off then maybe real change will happen.
Without being labled a conspiracy theorist, I would like to point out that no hard evidence has ever been presented to the American people that, in fact, Al Qaida that planned and executed the terrorist act against the Trade Towers and the Pentagon Sept. 11, 2001. We only have the word of proven liars like Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney. Nor has any hard evidence been presented that bin Ladin was behind the attack. Now he has been assassinated and buried at sea.
WikiLeaks have proven beyond a doubt that both the Obama and Bush administration lie as easily as they breath. Isn't it only common sense to be just a tad bit suspicious?