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I am for leaving all wars.
Huckabee welcomes bin Laden to hell. Not so fast Huckabee! On a daily basis I pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy for my family, me, and anyone in need of a Chaplet of Divine Mercy. Jesus will stand before God, the Father, to ask for mercy for even the harden criminal or sinner. It is possible that my Chaplet of Divine Mercy may have saved bin Laden's soul.
Habeas corpus! What about Habeas corpus? Why are you not asking “Why Habeas corpus has not been restored by Obama?”
You are way off base, Thom. The premise of your debate shows how the Washington Power Structure has corrupted you. You used to ridicule the Correspondents Dinner, now you're bragging that you attended it. Are you more concerned with the "doing well" part of the phrase that you taught me? "Doing well by doing good."
Read Chris Hedges response to the killing of Bin Laden.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/chris_hedges_speaks_on_osama_bin_ladens_death_20110502/
"I despair that we as a country, as Nietzsche understood, have become the monster that we are attempting to fight." – C. Hedges
I know there are a lot of people who schoff at the 9/11 truthers. Even if you find it difficult or unimaginable to believe that our leaders would engage in the deed or allow it to happen, you must certainly ask yourself the following questions:
Why did the 9/11 investigation begin some 500 days past the event?
Why was all the evidence carted (and melted down) away before investigators could see it?
Why did Building 7 fall when it was not hit by a plane or debris--Building 6 stood between it and the Twin Towers? Building 7 was not mentioned in the 9/11 Comission Report.
Why did the fall of the towers look like a controlled demolition (Building 7 fell the same way)? Why did they fall at all? No other buildings hit by airplanes have fallen in that manner. Why didn't the buildings just pancake, or just topple, and follow the laws of physics. Each intact floor below would have slowed the interia of the above falling floors? The supports of the lower floors would have had to be weakened in order for the building to free fall.
Why did we go into Iraq and put so many resources there when bin Laden, the supposed mastermind, was in Afghanistan/Pakistan?
There are just too many things that don't make sense and facts/questions that cannot be denied.
I'm disappointed in the question. It implies that simply trying to kill one man somehow justifies all the loss of life and money spent on wars since 911. The idea that killing a leader so remotely connected to those we are fighting would end the problems caused by U.S. imperialism is tragic coming from such a progressive pioneer and bright thinker as Thom Hartmann. Yet his entire show yesterday revealed his effort to rationalize this preposterous drama, a continuation of the official 9/11 story that no one with his intelligence and savvy should buy into, but he continues to support.
I didnt like the choices on todays poll.. Obama is almost a republican, so the question presumes Obama would want to bring troops home.. They are still sitting on our oil (per REP way of thinking), so why would obama want to bring em home (unless this is a big mover for his re election)?
Obama Sin Laden- interesting what the letters BS can do. Like, did we really need to spend a few thousand on the President's "The Trump Whitehouse" neon decoration? He will continue to funnel money to the Texas oilmen military-industrial complex as the Army's April Fool's Day hat suggested.
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Does Osama bin Laden have nine lives?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Osama-bin-Laden-s-Second-D-by-paul-craig-roberts-110502-455.html
Just watched 19 of the videos about 911 on the existential cowbow web site. They show one right after the other...on and on....don't know how many they end up showing...got tired and want to go to bed. But I have to say that although I have seen many of these 9-12 minute videos and the scenes in them before (interviews, etc) I have seen some new ones....very, very interesting...especially about the information about AB Buzzy Krongard, the interconnecting weave of acquaintences and good ole boy back slapping deals and the very, very unusual numbers of put options done just before 911. A number of very select numbers of people around the world...not Arabs....were expecting something terrible enough to happen that would make them fortunes. The series of connected videos are called "911 Coincidences". All you have to do is click on the first one and wait the few seconds between the vids and they continue automatically.
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/
I believe that the whole neocon/neoliberal conspiracy was all connected with the crooked economic ponzi schemes about to go bust...and some did go bust ...like...the Enron, Worldcom, (eventually taking down big financial behemoths), the Energy scam against California and elsewhere, the mortgage bubbles and insurance rackets, and wild speculative and wreckless abandon of uncontrollable derivatives by insider Wall Street gangsters and banksters. They all knew that unless there was a way to really corral people, make them very scared of an outsider...Muslim...no less...evil villain...that worked for the CIA (code named Tim Osman)....that many heads would roll. Could they have managed to get a massive tax-payer bailout any other way? Could they have been able to destroy social security and other social safety nets (they're working on it) any other way? It also had to do with oil, the control of oil, and eventual world domination. Seig Heil!
Now if only conservatives and socialists could be friends, it would be a wonderful world.
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/05/03/deer-befriends-widowed-nursing-goose.aspx
not true fourarrows - this
not true fourarrows - this from an expert....
Islam allows burial at sea in extraordianry circumstances or instances where there is a concern that the body may be "exhumed, attacked or dug up and mutilated by the enemy".
http://www.al-islam.org/laws/burial.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/05/02/f-bin-laden-burial.html
The conspirators will say that even this was fabicated, part of the plot! You can't win with true-belivers and fundamentalists - indeed, that is their only hold and grasp on reality - the real thing is just too much for them to deal with!
Do Matter
facts
Facts and reality do Matter. Try driving into a cement wall at 100 miles an hour. That’s a good test of reality.
Here is why I do not always believe what my government tells me. And why I am one of the few who still passionately believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld should all be prosecuted for war crimes and go to jail or maybe even executed.
Prior to the lead up to the Iraq war, I was still working for the DOD. Even I, given the barest of facts, and just what I read and heard on the evening news, knew that these people were lying to the American people! And they even convinced Colin Powell! Iraq was a BIG lie! But since I was just a citizen, nothing much I could do anyway (Later I did – Hilary Clinton voted for this stupid war and that is why I voted for Obama). But I did base my decision on facts and logic alone, not conspiracy theories. It just not make any sense, and I was proved right – there was and never was any weapons of mass destruction. And what really galled me was watching bush doing a comedy routine looking for WMDs under tables! This after 1000s of our soldiers had been killed in Iraq! Sick!
OBL is Dead and it went down exactly as the administration is saying that it did. Why? Because it would just be totally impossible to fabricate or make up or cover up! There are also just way too many people involved. As to the burial at Sea, again, a very simple fact: Denial of the body to create a Shrine for his followers.
But this will keep the crazies busy for a very long time. It is way much easier to create fantasies than to digest facts. Facts are dry. Facts are concrete. Not much fun there. But fantasies – only endless vistas of fabricated nonsense.
You still all need to move into the late OBL now empty mansion in Pakistan! Maybe you will all get better inspiration there, assuming that your Pakistani neighbors will let you!
Go live in Pakistan if you hate dissent so much! And I'd like to know what kind of "freedom" you mean when your government has worked so hard to destroy those freedoms though things like "The Patriot Act" and "Homeland InSecurity". I know that it is easy for some xenophobic people to blame "Muslims". They can dish it out all day but let a "Muslim" object to wholesale slaughter of their children and they are "terrorists". The real terrorists are the banksters, corporateers, and others who have schemed to impoverish us and enslave us with debt peonage. They get rich off of scaring us into an immoral and illegal war in the middle east while murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people. There is nothing "brave" or "patriotic" about getting caught up in the war machine...most are poor suckers that either bought into the stupid propaganda or they couldn't afford any other job at the time. They are trained killers...murderers...and Smedley Butler got it right...they are hit men for the organized criminal gangsters who want to steal or control the wealth of other nations. There is very little brave or heroic about being armed to the teeth with the latest high tech weapons and pressing buttons to murder many innocent civilians in one setting. Of course not all soldiers are equipped with buttons to press and missiles to launch or helicopters to kill from a distance ...they have to actually be on the ground...but they still have better weapons...armor..resources...than the people they are murdering. The really brave ones are the people we murder. Of course, the dominant conquerors make the history and the propaganda that many simpletons believe to be true...including killing OBL.
For those who think that we have fought to "preserve our freedoms", or whatever hogwash pro-war propagandistic clap-trap that they got drilled into their brains in their formative years (we have all been propagandized in our schools...some of us have been able to detect the BS), I say you are being used as a useful idiot for those who are screwing you....for those who sent your buddies off to be killed in some stupid war. Yes, they died in vain!!! Now get over it and see the light before they send your kids off to get killed too. If you keep thinking in terms of heroics and patriotism you will continue the stupidity and victimization of our people. Read Smedley Butler's pamphlet "War is a Crime". If you continue to vote the two party system that is screwing us all then you will always be taking it in the a$$ for the wealthy and powerful ruling elite that are quite happy you are stupid enough to fall for their tricks.
We can really see who is paying for our endless wars.
http://paxchristiusa.org/2011/05/01/military-spending-bring-the-war-dollars-home/
America suffers from a moral deficit!
http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/the-revolt-of-the-elites-and-the-moral-deficit
The "official conspiracy theory" is not being challenged by people who should be challenging it. It is being challenged by many intelligent people who want the truth because they believe that the official conspiracy theory is full of holes and contain outright proven lies and cover-ups. Many of the Democrats are such wimps that they will not challenge the real conspiracy criminals that murdered 3000+ civilians and many more of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands more of innocent civilians in the Middle East. These wimpy Democrats would rather go along with the cover up and let those truly responsible get away with it in order to squeeze in yet another morsel of power...another tidbit thrown to them by the criminal elite. Perhaps they believe that if the people were all really ticked off because they all now know, without a doubt, that our country is being controlled by sinister forces that would do such drastic things against their own population that they would be uncontrollable and even their own Democratic Empire would lose it's ability to rule. Perhaps they are thinking that if the majority of the people really knew the truth that their "empires" would be shattered and massive civil unrest would rule the day culminating in a complete removal of any wealthy ruling elite being able to keep their smoke-and-mirrors power structure intact. Perhaps some of these left wing "thinkers" and "shakers" truly believe that it would be a disaster of epic proportions...and it might well be so...but look where we are headed anyway....only we are all oozing to our eventual destruction anyway....and history has shown that when it gets that bad that the only thing that can reverse it is for a quicker solution. So you people who think that all we have to do is to re-elect Obama are just going along with the smoke-and-mirrors hocus-pocus "voodoo government" that will grind us all slowly into our graves.
I believe that Tikkun has it right!
http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/tikkuns-spiritual-response-to-the-assassination-of-osama-bin-laden
Of course there are! What do you eat in the morning that would make your brain dysfunction by nighttime!
There are still followers of OBL who still want TO KILL PEOPLE! It only took 19 to murder 3000+ people!
It only takes ONE to carry a bomb anywhere! Where have you been living?? Mars?
These are crazy people and they still do want to kill people, especially Americans! A dead OBL will not deter or stop a terroist - in fact, he/she now have a Mission to even kill more.
It won't stop till the last one is dead. Even one is dangerous.
All you die-hard conspiracy theorists - and you ALL know who you are - need to take a VERY LONG vacation to Pakistan!
My understanding is that there is now a VACANT mansion available for you ALL to enjoy yourselves in! I am sure that your Pakistani neighbors will welcome you all with open Arms!
What a bunch of hogwash! You ALL need to get a life, preferably one where facts, logic and critical thinking is not a pre-requisite!
It just astounds me that there are people who have nothing better to do in this world than to spin ad infinitum cob-webs of insane nonsense as if it were all real!
No wonder the American Right have been so easily brainwashed by the corporate fascists – it is way too simple to manipulate them with lies and make-believe!
The next Right-Corporate Fascist attack coming – this is all made up by The Obama Administration!
Well, they have video, pictures, computers, hard drives, a treasure trove of documents taken from the house. And while they pour over these and hopefully catch more bad guys, there will be an onslaught from the conspiratorial Right about how all this is a big Lie! Again the Corporate fascists will feeding lies to the public and the ever busy conspirators will be weaving their webs of nonsense!
Go to Pakistan! Please!
The propaganda machine has already made it quite clear that despite our killing OBL they claim that there are a lot of other baddies...Al Qaida...that we need to keep after. This will never end, of course, because war is quite lucrative for some in the US and they will not let go of that tit very easily.
"The tiny group behind the fence, waving their flags, are skillfully encompassed by the camera to make it look like there are a lot of them"
That would be a STATIONARY Camera looking at Lafayette Park! Man, where is your Critical thinking when it counts?
And the Flag wavers - COLLEGE students, all who would of been 10-12 years old when the Trade towers were Bombed! They remember the horror. By the way, did you lose anyone on those planes, in the towers, fireman, and rescuers?
Patriotism is dead in America for the few moronic individuals who think that Freedom is a given. People have died, are dying and will forever die for what you now enjoy, FREEDOM! There really are bad people out there who really do want to kill you and do you harm. The quicker you realize that the faster you will come to realize that freedom is not free!
I, to this day, still honor my fellow 50,000+ dead Vietnam veterans who died fighting in Vietnam. There may have been 101 bad reasons why America fought that war, but those dead heroes were there fighting for America. That goes for all the other wars we fought. I will not let simpletons and conspiracy theorists like you and some others on this blog defame and besmirch their names and memories! Go live in Pakistan if you hate America so much! I’m sure they’ll welcome you with open arms!
"The tiny group behind the fence, waving their flags, are skillfully encompassed by the camera to make it look like there are a lot of them"
That would be a STATIONARY Camera looking at Lafayette Park! Man, where is your Critical thinking when it counts?
And the Flag wavers - COLLEGE students, all who would of been 10-12 years old when the Trade towers were Bombed! They remember the horror. By the way, did you lose anyone on those planes, in the towers, fireman, and rescuers?
Patriotism is dead in America for the few moronic individuals who think that Freedom is a given. People have died, are dying and will forever die for what you now enjoy, FREEDOM! There really are bad people out there who really do want to kill you and do you harm. The quicker you realize that the faster you will come to realize that freedom is not free!
I, to this day, still honor my fellow 50,000+ dead Vietnam veterans who died fighting in Vietnam. There may have been 101 bad reasons why America fought that war, but those dead heroes were there fighting for America. That goes for all the other wars we fought. I will not let simpletons and conspiracy theorists like you and some others on this blog defame and besmirch their names and memories! Go live in Pakistan if you hate America so much! I’m sure they’ll welcome you with open arms!