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Wow, Gerald, you're a piece of work, that's all I can say. Have you checked your meds lately? Israel's policies toward the Palestinians can be quite nasty, but it falls far short of Nazism or genocide. Drawing equivalencies between the two is odious.

Now, as to Richard, I'm tempted to say the same thing. Putting the term "Palestinians" in quotes is quite a cute (but old) rhetorical device, which I'm surprised is still being used by some throwbacks. As a Jew and a Zionist myself, I am often amazed that the Palestinians (or "Palestinians") question Israel's "right to exist" -- but we question the Palestinians' very existence. Or erase it, perhaps, as you have tried to do -- the same drivel I was force-fed in Hebrew school some 30 years ago.

You may have heard of Ze'ev Jabotinsky, the founder of the Revisionist movement within Zionism, which gave birth to both the IZL (Irgun Zva'i Leumi, often shortened to "Irgun" -- a right-wing Zionist group viewed by both the British and the Hagana as terrorists, to which future Israeli PM Menachem Begin belonged, and the even more extreme LHI (Lohamei Herut Yisrael, or "Stern Gang", to which future Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir belonged). Here's what he had to say about your "Palestinians":

"Today the Jews constitute a minority in [Palestine]; in another twenty they could well be the vast majority. If we were Arabs, we would not agree to this either. And the Arabs are good Zionists too, like us. The country is full of Arab memories. ... I have been accused of attaching too much importance to the Arab national movement. [Some say] I admire this movement unduly. But the movement exists...."

--Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Prague, July 1921, remarks to meeting of the Actions Committee of the Executive of the World Zionist Organization. (Quoted from Paul R. Mendes-Flohr, ed. A Land of Two Peoples: Martin Buber on Jews and Arabs (Oxford Univ. Press 1983, 1984 paperback edition), p. 6). Emphasis added.

He wasn't alone.

"[We] may be a people without a home, but alas, there is not a country without a people....Palestine has an existing population of 700,000, a people who have lived there for centuries and rightfully consider this country as their fatherland and homeland. That is a fact which we must take into account. ... [A] relationship [of mutual trust] can only be established if those who are the newcomers -- and such are we -- arrive with the honest and sincere determination to live together with the other people on the basis of mutual respect and full consideration of all their human and national rights. ... World public opinion cannot forget the existence of a large native population in Palestine; the growing sympathy with the aspirations toward national self-determination of the native peoples will make Zionism unpopular in many circles, *not out of anti-Jewish feelings but out of consideration for the natural rights of the Arabs.*"

--Robert Weltsch, editor of Zionist weekly Judische Rundschau, editorial, August 1925. Quoted in Mendes-Flohr, pp. 14-15. Emphasis added.

That was in 1925, in case you missed it, and Jabotinsky's quote was from 1921.

And then there was Martin Buber in 1929:

"Assuredly there are many aspects of the Palestinian Arabs which are annoying to us (just as there are things in us which, in certain respects, are displeasing to me); but we must not ignore the fact that among them the connection with the land -- something which will take us a long time still to accomplish -- has taken a positive, even organic, form; it is an accepted fact which is no longer even considered. ...

"We have not settled Palestine together with the Arabs but alongside them. Settlement 'alongside,' when two nations inhabit the same country, which fails to become settlement 'together with' must necessarily become a state of 'against.' This is bound to happen here -- and there will be no return to a mere 'alongside.' But despite all the obstacles in our path, the way is still open for reaching a settlement 'together with.' And I do not know how much time is left to us."

--Martin Buber, October 1929, "The National Home and National Policy in Palestine," in Mendes-Flohr pp. 87-91 passim. Again, emphasis added.

What's that? He was talking about the "Palestinian Arabs"... in 1929? Without scare quotes? What could he have been thinking?

So much for your scare quotes around the name of a nation, Richard. Do us all a favor, eh? Please show restraint and refrain from being . . . well . . . yourself on any posting you make regarding this topic.... OK? Thanks.

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