Regarding your comments about Germany, i just have a very slight correction to make:
Guido Westerwelle is a member of the FDP (Free Democratic Party), which is old-school libertarian. Yes, that makes him financially conservative and definitely pro-tax cuts, but I just wanted to point out that nuance.
Angela Merkel, on the other hand, is from the CDU (Christian Democratic Party), which is Germany's mainstream conservative party, though at the federal level they tend to be more in line with our conservative Democrats (or liberal Republicans, if we still had any!), which is why she is not for cutting taxes at this point.
I was a 15-year-old w. Asperger's back in 1980. I was for John Anderson. My conservative phase was 16-18. I was a Mondale/Ferraro Democrat (and finally an eligible voter) by 1984.
What burns me is the "designed in USA" packaging complete with conspicuous US flag graphics, most typically found on the types of products sold in the huge-box retailers known as 'home centers.'
re: War games: Being the Taliban in Afghanistan would be similar, but not the same as being the Minutemen in the American revolution. Only 1/3 of the colonists supported the revolution. 1/3 were undecided, and 1/3 opposed the revolution. However, the Minutemen weren't feared by a lot of the population, just the tories and the rich. In Afghanistan, women, progressives, secularists and the wealthy fear the taliban.
I'm not sure why rladlof, but your comment about "Made in the USA" makes me want to get a tattoo that says that... the question is, which body part is most appropriate for the "Made in the USA" label?
I posted on the thread about this Video game restriction topic.
Basically it comes down to this, I don't think its appropriate to compare Video Games to Pornography. I think you should treat it like Alcohol or Tobacco. Slap a warning label on it (see my post on the blog on this subject if your interested in my version of a warning label).
Besides, we have an instinctual desire for sex, not so much for killing. Which brings up a whole 'nother argument for and against allowing sexual depictions.
Concerning USA corporations, the Board of Directors is usually derived from a network of the good-ole-boys. Therefore American corporations would never allow average joe's to intervene because this would take too much power away from the "special people" who are currently redistributing the wealth amongst themselves.
Does it matter if we give 16 year olds the vote and the majority doesn't vote? I don't think so, if at 18 I vote Republican, Democratic or whatever, then I probably would have done it at 16. If I don't exercise the right to vote at 18, probably wouldn't have done it at 16. At 16 or 18 I would have made my choice, the natural teenage rebelous nature would have kept me from following lock step with most people around me. So what actual harm can come from allowing 16 year olds to vote?
rladlof: between an imported product carrying a union label, and a product with a 'made in USA' label but no union label, which will it be? Patriotism or class solidarity? I choose the latter.
I've heard Turkey is has been taking a sharp turn away from secularity. Also, keep in mind that Turkey's most prominent secular institution is her army.
I just posted the following comment on Obama’s FACEBOOK bragging about desiring American manufacturing:
“Mister Obama,
Perhaps you should inform United States Trade Representative Ron Kirk that you want to see “Made in USA” labeled on manufactured goods . . . Because he is working fervently to screw America’s manufacturing into the dirt. See:
America was the number one manufacturer in the world until President Reagan and President Clinton shredded our great nation’s Manufacturing Policy. Have some pull you a photocopy of Alexander Hamilton’s Report on Manufactures . . . You’ll find it enlightening.”
I think a small percentage of 16 year olds would vote, maybe 15-20 percent. maybe college bound kids. However,...did anybody see the movie "Wild in the Streets?"
You could just go for actual universal sufferage, with no minimum age? The vast majority of young children would probably not vote, which is OK. The question is, are there a lot of children who would not be politically engaged, but would nevertheless be avid voters?
As Clay Jenkinson of The Thomas Jefferson Hour http://www.jeffersonhour.org/ stated; Though the majority of our nation's people are Christian, Our form of government is a secular government. The same could be said of Turkey, it has a secular government, though the majority of it's people are Muslim.
It seems to me that this is a religious matter, and the government should not be involved; other than protecting the right's of the citizens from religious laws being forced upon them.
What about the other side of the argument, how about puting an age limit on voting. Noone over the age of 65 can vote. So from age 18 through 65 you can work and vote.
Also if you lowered the voting age to 16, then put an initiative to lower the legal age to have sex to 16, I bet you'd have an enormous turn out for the election. 15 -17 year old boys would probably go on 24 hr canvasing sprees. :-)
Why is it the people who don't want 16 year olds to vote, also think people in their 20's aren't capable of voting? 14 yr olds are old enough to be taught algerbra, I can extrapolate from that that they are capable of critical thinking.
Right wingers don't have the cognitive ability to vote either, so should we outlaw them from voting.
re: #41: what a coincidence! I also associate your ass with my middle finger... :)
(sorry, i just can't resist a straight-line)
Thom,
Regarding your comments about Germany, i just have a very slight correction to make:
Guido Westerwelle is a member of the FDP (Free Democratic Party), which is old-school libertarian. Yes, that makes him financially conservative and definitely pro-tax cuts, but I just wanted to point out that nuance.
Angela Merkel, on the other hand, is from the CDU (Christian Democratic Party), which is Germany's mainstream conservative party, though at the federal level they tend to be more in line with our conservative Democrats (or liberal Republicans, if we still had any!), which is why she is not for cutting taxes at this point.
Great show!
Eric
re: #35: the umbilical cord? (wears-out first)
@n8chz, I was considering my ass or one of my middle fingers. It seems so Patriotic to express myself with either.
N
I was a 15-year-old w. Asperger's back in 1980. I was for John Anderson. My conservative phase was 16-18. I was a Mondale/Ferraro Democrat (and finally an eligible voter) by 1984.
What burns me is the "designed in USA" packaging complete with conspicuous US flag graphics, most typically found on the types of products sold in the huge-box retailers known as 'home centers.'
I have a couple of TV's I use as Monitors. But I don't have any monitors that I use as a TV. (I don't count You Tube, Hulu, etc... as TV).
N
Maxrot #35: The heel.
re: War games: Being the Taliban in Afghanistan would be similar, but not the same as being the Minutemen in the American revolution. Only 1/3 of the colonists supported the revolution. 1/3 were undecided, and 1/3 opposed the revolution. However, the Minutemen weren't feared by a lot of the population, just the tories and the rich. In Afghanistan, women, progressives, secularists and the wealthy fear the taliban.
I'm not sure why rladlof, but your comment about "Made in the USA" makes me want to get a tattoo that says that... the question is, which body part is most appropriate for the "Made in the USA" label?
N
I posted on the thread about this Video game restriction topic.
Basically it comes down to this, I don't think its appropriate to compare Video Games to Pornography. I think you should treat it like Alcohol or Tobacco. Slap a warning label on it (see my post on the blog on this subject if your interested in my version of a warning label).
Besides, we have an instinctual desire for sex, not so much for killing. Which brings up a whole 'nother argument for and against allowing sexual depictions.
N
Concerning USA corporations, the Board of Directors is usually derived from a network of the good-ole-boys. Therefore American corporations would never allow average joe's to intervene because this would take too much power away from the "special people" who are currently redistributing the wealth amongst themselves.
Does it matter if we give 16 year olds the vote and the majority doesn't vote? I don't think so, if at 18 I vote Republican, Democratic or whatever, then I probably would have done it at 16. If I don't exercise the right to vote at 18, probably wouldn't have done it at 16. At 16 or 18 I would have made my choice, the natural teenage rebelous nature would have kept me from following lock step with most people around me. So what actual harm can come from allowing 16 year olds to vote?
N
Under current law "Made in USA" means that the steering column was bolted into place in Mexico or Canada near a USAian border . . .
Corexit Is Being Sprayed at Night, Even Now (According to BP Vessel of Opportunity Workers and Others)
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/
re: #26: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wild_in_the_streets_dvd_cover.jpg
rladlof: between an imported product carrying a union label, and a product with a 'made in USA' label but no union label, which will it be? Patriotism or class solidarity? I choose the latter.
I've heard Turkey is has been taking a sharp turn away from secularity. Also, keep in mind that Turkey's most prominent secular institution is her army.
I just posted the following comment on Obama’s FACEBOOK bragging about desiring American manufacturing:
“Mister Obama,
Perhaps you should inform United States Trade Representative Ron Kirk that you want to see “Made in USA” labeled on manufactured goods . . . Because he is working fervently to screw America’s manufacturing into the dirt. See:
http://www.ustr.gov/about-us/press-office/press-releases/2010/august/united-states-wins-wto-dispute-eu-high-tech-product
America was the number one manufacturer in the world until President Reagan and President Clinton shredded our great nation’s Manufacturing Policy. Have some pull you a photocopy of Alexander Hamilton’s Report on Manufactures . . . You’ll find it enlightening.”
I think a small percentage of 16 year olds would vote, maybe 15-20 percent. maybe college bound kids. However,...did anybody see the movie "Wild in the Streets?"
You could just go for actual universal sufferage, with no minimum age? The vast majority of young children would probably not vote, which is OK. The question is, are there a lot of children who would not be politically engaged, but would nevertheless be avid voters?
Re: Court halts Calif. gay marriages pending appeal
As Clay Jenkinson of The Thomas Jefferson Hour http://www.jeffersonhour.org/ stated; Though the majority of our nation's people are Christian, Our form of government is a secular government. The same could be said of Turkey, it has a secular government, though the majority of it's people are Muslim.
It seems to me that this is a religious matter, and the government should not be involved; other than protecting the right's of the citizens from religious laws being forced upon them.
What about the other side of the argument, how about puting an age limit on voting. Noone over the age of 65 can vote. So from age 18 through 65 you can work and vote.
Also if you lowered the voting age to 16, then put an initiative to lower the legal age to have sex to 16, I bet you'd have an enormous turn out for the election. 15 -17 year old boys would probably go on 24 hr canvasing sprees. :-)
N
Why is it the people who don't want 16 year olds to vote, also think people in their 20's aren't capable of voting? 14 yr olds are old enough to be taught algerbra, I can extrapolate from that that they are capable of critical thinking.
Right wingers don't have the cognitive ability to vote either, so should we outlaw them from voting.
N
If 16 year olds were allowed to vote, even a greater percentage of youth would not vote. :-)
Why not lower the voting age to 14, the same average age that people enter high school.
N