From Twitter: @toddgillman Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Lubbock, has admitted shouting "Baby Killer" on House floor last night. Says he has apologized to Rep. Bart Stupak
@Nels..yeah, but they still have years of litigation to look forward to...and if it goes to the SCROTUS, whos to say they won't favor the insurance companies over "states rights"?
"After Sting dies, will we call him Stung? "-harry ashburn
Why is it when show strays onto the un-free nature of 'Free' Trade, the web feed is cut off on KTLK 1150AM and I have to use another station or live-feed to hear the show?
China maintains dual currency, one pegged to the value of the USD for exports, to create a hidden tariff on our products. They also impose direct tariffs on our products that price our products out of their markets. Hardly seems fair from a favored-trade nation.
Sorry - I initially missed your question regarding the addition of a public option to the reconciliation bill in the Senate.
Yes, I guess that if the Senate makes substantial change to the bill the House sent them, It would have to go back to the House. And when it does, it will probably be the same scene as yesterday - the "good guys" carry the day after a nasty, ugly, drawn-out day of debate/obfuscation.
To me its (almost) a good day to be a progressive. Its a bad day to be a con(ned). As in being a Tea Bagger who held the sign "Keep your hands of my Medicare".
In the black and white world they live in, we won, they lost. I 'spect Muckers to be out and about soon.
ARUNDHATI ROY: Well, I think the—you know, the saddest thing is that when the American elections happened and you had all the rhetoric of, you know, change you can believe in, and even the most cynical of us watched Obama win the elections and did feel moved, you know, watching how happy people were, especially people who had lived through the civil rights movement and so on, and, you know, in fact what has happened is that he has come in and expanded the war. He won the Nobel Peace Prize and took an opportunity to justify the war. It was as though those tears of the black people who watched, you know, a black man come to power were now cut and paste into the eyes of the world’s elite watching him justify war.
And from where I come from, it’s almost—you know, you think that they probably don’t even understand what they’re doing, the American government. They don’t understand what kind of ground they stand on. When you say things like “We have to wipe out the Taliban,” what does that mean? The Taliban is not a fixed number of people. The Taliban is an ideology that has sprung out of a history that, you know, America created anyway.
Iraq, the war is going on. Afghanistan, obviously, is rising up in revolt. It’s spilled into Pakistan, and from Pakistan into Kashmir and into India. So we’re seeing this superpower, in a way, caught in quicksand with a conceptual inability to understand what it’s doing, how to get out or how to stay in. It’s going to take this country down with it, for sure, you know, and I think it’s a real pity that, in a way, at least George Bush was so almost obscene in his stupidity about it, whereas here it’s smoke and mirrors, and people find it more difficult to decipher what’s going on. But, in fact, the war has expanded.
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The claims made by the proponents of the bill are the usual deceptive corporate advertising. The bill will not expand coverage to 30 million uninsured, especially since government subsidies will not take effect until 2014. Families who cannot pay the high premiums, deductibles and co-payments, estimated to be between 15 and 18 percent of most family incomes, will have to default, increasing the number of uninsured. Insurance companies can unilaterally raise prices without ceilings or caps and monopolize local markets to shut out competitors. The $1.055 trillion spent over the next decade will add new layers of bureaucratic red tape to what is an unmanageable and ultimately unsustainable system.
Both major parties are of the corporate coin, heads the corporations profit, tails the people lose. Flip a coin, we get flipped off.
Sorry meant health Insurance reform in the sentence about The 28th Amendment: Primacy of the people in a democratic republic
I see no other way to get real health INSURANCE reform, to get health care for all, to get the money out of politics and to shrink the obscene war budget.
I'm saying the Republicans lost it in the manner of losing face. Now Palin can take the Tea Party and form it into a political party since the Republicans wont have their faith. Oh this can be just the thing to make the cons all topple like dominoes (that's the risk you take when you walk in lock step).
A quick memo from the eternal vigilance department:
The Republicans are working now to spin the November election narrative with a particular slanted framing of the health care story. In the corporate media there's been a lot of sloppy polling and reporting that's fed into a Republican talking point which says most Americans dislike/oppose this health care law. But that's only a half truth, the full truth is that while support is about 50-50, fully half of those who dislike the bill, including me, are unhappy because it doesn't go far enough. It's only a vocal, loudmouth 25% or so of the public, the tea-bagger nut-jobs, that think the law goes too far & does too much - most of us, about 75%, are glad that something is being done. Whenever we hear someone parrot this meem, we need to call them on it, because the Republicans are hoping to swing the election with this line of baloney.
The question is: How do we get the camel or jackass in this case (the Democrats) to quit sniffing around the back of the tent, stand up on its hind legs and walk in the front door?
I think that we the people need to insist that Democrats amend the Constitution to define person/people as one/some/all of the natural human(s) subject to the laws of the US. The 28th amendment must also make it clear that restrictions on commercial interests do not restrict individual liberties and add the Congressional duty to regulate commercial entities for the general welfare. I see no other way to get real health care reform, to get health are for all, to get the money out of politics and to shrink the obscene war budget.
I live in California, and currently my state government requires me to buy car insurance from a private corporation. If I do not have car insurance, I cannot register my car.
Now that the Republicans have lost this battle, all I can say is quick someone get a microphone in front of Palin. Can't wait for her next brilliant soundbite. (Your lipstick quip brought this to my mind harry).
From Twitter: @toddgillman Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Lubbock, has admitted shouting "Baby Killer" on House floor last night. Says he has apologized to Rep. Bart Stupak
In an attempt to beat THOM to it:
http://www.borowitzreport.com/
Teabaggers’ New Protest: “No Government Takeover of Congress”
@Richard L. Adlof (aka Mysterious Floating Head, apparently?)
Forgive my ignorance, but whoinallhellis Brandon Voice?
@MFH: and call the station and ask them WTF?
Now that we have exported most of our consumer goods manufacturing base to China, what goods will we have to export when the USD is devalued?
@Mysterious Floating Head: !?!. you need to ask Louise and Co. to check this out.
@Nels..yeah, but they still have years of litigation to look forward to...and if it goes to the SCROTUS, whos to say they won't favor the insurance companies over "states rights"?
"After Sting dies, will we call him Stung? "-harry ashburn
Why is it when show strays onto the un-free nature of 'Free' Trade, the web feed is cut off on KTLK 1150AM and I have to use another station or live-feed to hear the show?
China maintains dual currency, one pegged to the value of the USD for exports, to create a hidden tariff on our products. They also impose direct tariffs on our products that price our products out of their markets. Hardly seems fair from a favored-trade nation.
@Quark -
Sorry - I initially missed your question regarding the addition of a public option to the reconciliation bill in the Senate.
Yes, I guess that if the Senate makes substantial change to the bill the House sent them, It would have to go back to the House. And when it does, it will probably be the same scene as yesterday - the "good guys" carry the day after a nasty, ugly, drawn-out day of debate/obfuscation.
@harry, agreed.
To me its (almost) a good day to be a progressive. Its a bad day to be a con(ned). As in being a Tea Bagger who held the sign "Keep your hands of my Medicare".
In the black and white world they live in, we won, they lost. I 'spect Muckers to be out and about soon.
re: Waterloo
Waterloo, isn't that located somewhere in Oompa-Loompaland?
Ed in Redondo
Meanwhile, the wars go on...
Today on Democracy Now!
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/22/arundhati_roy_on_obamas_wars_india
ARUNDHATI ROY: Well, I think the—you know, the saddest thing is that when the American elections happened and you had all the rhetoric of, you know, change you can believe in, and even the most cynical of us watched Obama win the elections and did feel moved, you know, watching how happy people were, especially people who had lived through the civil rights movement and so on, and, you know, in fact what has happened is that he has come in and expanded the war. He won the Nobel Peace Prize and took an opportunity to justify the war. It was as though those tears of the black people who watched, you know, a black man come to power were now cut and paste into the eyes of the world’s elite watching him justify war.
And from where I come from, it’s almost—you know, you think that they probably don’t even understand what they’re doing, the American government. They don’t understand what kind of ground they stand on. When you say things like “We have to wipe out the Taliban,” what does that mean? The Taliban is not a fixed number of people. The Taliban is an ideology that has sprung out of a history that, you know, America created anyway.
Iraq, the war is going on. Afghanistan, obviously, is rising up in revolt. It’s spilled into Pakistan, and from Pakistan into Kashmir and into India. So we’re seeing this superpower, in a way, caught in quicksand with a conceptual inability to understand what it’s doing, how to get out or how to stay in. It’s going to take this country down with it, for sure, you know, and I think it’s a real pity that, in a way, at least George Bush was so almost obscene in his stupidity about it, whereas here it’s smoke and mirrors, and people find it more difficult to decipher what’s going on. But, in fact, the war has expanded.
Minnesota has same-day voter registration, similar to North Dakota.
The Health Care Hindenburg Has Landed
by Chris Hedges
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/22-1
[...]
The claims made by the proponents of the bill are the usual deceptive corporate advertising. The bill will not expand coverage to 30 million uninsured, especially since government subsidies will not take effect until 2014. Families who cannot pay the high premiums, deductibles and co-payments, estimated to be between 15 and 18 percent of most family incomes, will have to default, increasing the number of uninsured. Insurance companies can unilaterally raise prices without ceilings or caps and monopolize local markets to shut out competitors. The $1.055 trillion spent over the next decade will add new layers of bureaucratic red tape to what is an unmanageable and ultimately unsustainable system.
Both major parties are of the corporate coin, heads the corporations profit, tails the people lose. Flip a coin, we get flipped off.
@Nels, yeah they lost face, but found it on the way to the bank.
"I just filled out my income tax forms. Who says you can't get killed by a blank?" -milton berle
If the Republicans wont identify the "Baby killer!" shouter, doesn't that make them all responsible?
Kind of a reverse Spartacus phenomenon in my point of view.
Sorry meant health Insurance reform in the sentence about The 28th Amendment: Primacy of the people in a democratic republic
I see no other way to get real health INSURANCE reform, to get health care for all, to get the money out of politics and to shrink the obscene war budget.
I'm saying the Republicans lost it in the manner of losing face. Now Palin can take the Tea Party and form it into a political party since the Republicans wont have their faith. Oh this can be just the thing to make the cons all topple like dominoes (that's the risk you take when you walk in lock step).
A quick memo from the eternal vigilance department:
The Republicans are working now to spin the November election narrative with a particular slanted framing of the health care story. In the corporate media there's been a lot of sloppy polling and reporting that's fed into a Republican talking point which says most Americans dislike/oppose this health care law. But that's only a half truth, the full truth is that while support is about 50-50, fully half of those who dislike the bill, including me, are unhappy because it doesn't go far enough. It's only a vocal, loudmouth 25% or so of the public, the tea-bagger nut-jobs, that think the law goes too far & does too much - most of us, about 75%, are glad that something is being done. Whenever we hear someone parrot this meem, we need to call them on it, because the Republicans are hoping to swing the election with this line of baloney.
Ed in Redondo
@harry,
just the ones on camera...
The question is: How do we get the camel or jackass in this case (the Democrats) to quit sniffing around the back of the tent, stand up on its hind legs and walk in the front door?
I think that we the people need to insist that Democrats amend the Constitution to define person/people as one/some/all of the natural human(s) subject to the laws of the US. The 28th amendment must also make it clear that restrictions on commercial interests do not restrict individual liberties and add the Congressional duty to regulate commercial entities for the general welfare. I see no other way to get real health care reform, to get health are for all, to get the money out of politics and to shrink the obscene war budget.
I live in California, and currently my state government requires me to buy car insurance from a private corporation. If I do not have car insurance, I cannot register my car.
Nels, since the insurance companies won this battle, its hard to say the Republicans lost.
"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."
- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, October 16, 1929.
Now that the Republicans have lost this battle, all I can say is quick someone get a microphone in front of Palin. Can't wait for her next brilliant soundbite. (Your lipstick quip brought this to my mind harry).