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Quark, we're all subject to the whims of the media, me you, Dean and Kucinich. Continue pointing out the lies, speak truth to power, exercise your right to free speech, its one of the most powerful gifts our founders got for us. Yes the corporations hate it and are trying to take it over, but no matter how much money the have, they can tell you to shut up all they want, but they can never make you do so.
If you're losing faith in American ideology, just look how well it has taken root back in Europe. We are only a couple a hundred of years out of the dark ages, and we've come a long way. Take these stumbling blocks that corporations challenge us with as opportunities to hone our freedoms. Freedom is appreciated a heck of a lot more, when one realizes that it may no longer be there.
Nels,
If I had lots of money, I would want things to improve in the world around me. That means life would have to be better for EVERYONE and I would want to do what I could to achieve that.
Nels,
Yes, you are right. That sums up the situation pretty well.
How do we deal with our economic royalists? Well for there sake they better hope for a FDR to come and save them from themselves. I don't really hole animosity for them, in truth I don't know if I would act different if I were in there shoes. Heck I like to sit in hot tubs, drive luxury cars, have obscene amounts of money. I can't say that I would willfully give it up, and I don't know anyone else in my circle of associates would. However, I don't have lots of money, I don't even have health insurance, so I'm pissed, and I may act irrationally because of it, as may many others. I pray for a FDR, Obama could be that type of leader, he may be on the road to it. FDR wasn't the same President on his first day, as he was on the his last. He adapted to the times and needs, I hope Obama follows that path too.
Nels,
Remember the previous Dem. Prez. debates where Kucinich wasn't even allowed to participate in later debates per corporate media decree?
Nels,
I guess what I meant is that there is no one IN PLACE (as FDR was as president) to do what he did. Dean and Kucinich are great, but have no power or in positions to wield any power.
'Just a thought. Political parties will no longer matter once there is a complete transition to the corporatocracy.
Sure there are FDR's around, Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich come to mind right off. I'm quite certain there are others too. FDR, JFK, Lincoln, Washington... the list goes on, aren't aberrations or anomalies, they were in the right place at the right time.
As for your last line, yes the Reign of Terror (French Revolution) does come to mind. I wholeheartedly believe change is coming, I don't know how it will come, I'm hoping for FDR style, over Robespierre.
How will we deal with our economic "royalists" ?
Nels,
Hmmm...'Sounds familiar --- citizens with tea bags and pitch forks. Will we have a Bastille, too? Then a Napoleon or two? (Or did I skip too many steps?)
Nels,
The FDR example is one that comes to my mind, too. Sadly, there are no FDRs around. Only citizens (with tea bags and pitch forks.) That could be very messy.
Disclaimer... these are just my opinions. I know enough to know that I know very little. ;-)
@Quark, well that's a harder one to answer. As I mentioned fascism is a more or less recent form of Government. But fascism is for all intents and purposes, a totalitarian Government. If you want a good model of how fascism was defeated internally, then look at FDR's administration, our country was teetering on the edge then, look to see what FDR did to avoid it.
Capitalism is joined at the hip with Fascism though, those that promote one are promoting the other by default.
@Jeanie, absolutely correct. Agitate, agitate and when in doubt agitate; its the only way to clean this mess up.
Nels,
Are there any models of which you are aware where fascist systems were mitigated? Those are what I would like to understand (how they did it, etc.) The only one I know of for sure was this country. Then we had a revolution.
There must be other examples and other means of change. ?
So we better make sure we work for actual change and not just say the words.
@Jeanie, there is nothing to wait for, its happening now. Where there's smoke there's fire. Don't think for a minute that the election of Obama and the 60+ seats in the Senate wasn' t the beginning of this. It will continue to grow, the recent race in Massachusetts is proof of it, people are dissatisfied with the status quo, and are aching for change. They aren't voting for Republicans or Democrats, they are voting for something different.... and if the Democratic Party doesn't realize this now, they will lose all sorts of seats in Nov. Change is wanted, its being demanded.
Quark, have you ever noticed that fascism appeared as Monarchies declined. Societies that are led by totalitarian means become unstable. Fascism will lurk in the background so long as there are corporations in existence, its their Gov't of choice after all. In some ways, I think fascism is the cancer that all countries should be wary of, and in some cases, yes I think some are still afflicted by it to some extent.
Well, I doubt Thom would reject the framers' words.
Thomas Jode February 11th, 2010, 12:19 pm
This is nonsensical and not worth an argument over.>
This blogs rejection of the words of the Founding Fathers is nonsensical, who specifically said not to interpret documents apart from theirs.
Embryos are not conscious beings...they are not aware of their surroundings. Holocaust victims were quite aware and consciuos of what was happening to them and what was about to....holy cow...my how IQ's are dropping in the Right wing...
"@Quark, just review history, its happened before, and it’ll happen again. Life has a way of following cycles… if you want to see the future, look to the past."
But how long do you have to wait?
That was to Founding Truth.
Nels,
Here's the little thought that keeps lurking in my brain. Did fascism ever REALLY go away in those countries (like Italy) that had it?
This is nonsensical and not worth an argument over.
@Quark, just review history, its happened before, and it'll happen again. Life has a way of following cycles... if you want to see the future, look to the past.