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Has anyone noticed the similar facial features between Timothy Mcveigh and Okeffe?
Obama can talk the talk but we need to see Obama WALK the WALK.
That means ACTING FOR the left.
Oh my gosh acting for the left?
I say yes because this is about NEGOTIATION and FRAMING the debate.
Where was Bush's debate for 8 years? Iraq Afghanistan destroying habeus corpus for American citizens privatizing everything for corporations etc...
This is about establishing, defining, and framing the debate for the authority of the will of the American PEOPLE.
To move the country to "the center" Obama needs to move negotiate and frame the debate FROM the LEFT. Otherwise? If Obama just moves to the center? Then Obama is really just moving to a "lesser than extreme right" that is not left or center. The left and the American people lose. Why? Because NEOCONS have driven the government to the extreme corporate right.
Obama needs to frame the debate and act with all intelligence on "We the People"'s AUTHORITY in? Direct contrast to corporate authority. And the majority of the country would be behind him.
If there is going to be a "cult" to directly contrast the corrupt corporate cult then Obama needs to create new words and new definitions.
NEW PHRASE "We the People's AUTHORITY" instead of "Governement authority". Why "We the People"? Because "people" used in nearly any other phrase has been defined and demonized as socialist.(People's Republic of China, etc..) Also? "We the People" should be used in place of "government" why? Again Because "governement" used in nearly any other phrase has been defined and demonized as socialist.
Flip it on neocons. If they dare attack "WE THE PEOPLE"'s AUTHORITY"? Then they are attacking the will of the American people.
John
@Nels
"I don’t know Church Lady, those Appalachian Trails seem to lead down way down below into the Southern Hemisphere, I really can’t go there."
Aw, come on, Nels, take a stroll down below into the southern hemisphere with Church Lady. You both might find your salvation.
"I wanted to be a philosopher, but I couldn't pass the metaphysical."
- harry ashburn
I have seen alot of post about this corporate personhood issue. In one sense because of the way law has been written corporations "have" to be ( and i use that term very lightly) considered a person of sorts. For taxation purposes, etc. they have to be considered a person. Until this is removed for the wording and a separate law is written to regulate corporations it will continue to have a valid arguement but ill conceived one none-the-less.
That being said I think there is one arguement that I have not seen to discount the fact that they are a "person" and the reason why many laws need to be repealed and rewritten. I am talking about the issue of corporate veil protection. Under the corporate veil protection in not so few words basically says that the people of the corporation can not be held liable as a "person" unless negligence etc can be proved. If this is true, and this is where it gets me excited, then the corporation cannot be considered a collection of persons because the law specifically says they are not. They are an entity of the corporation. The corporation then has no rights as a person based on the arguement that they are a collection of persons. By the ruling that they do have these basic rights of humans, then corporate veil protection no longer exists and leaders of corporations can be tried in civil and criminal court. I could be wildly wrong but I think this issue has some standing to be researched further in this debate over "personhood".
@Travis - while I track a lot of your concerns, I hope you will consider James Hansen's strong arguments in "Storms of My Grandchildren" in favor of nuclear breeder reactors (that convert existing stocks of nuclear waste into much smaller piles of waste, generating electricity along the way.) We need to stop putting carbon into our air and in fact suck gigatons out of it, so every use of coal etc needs to stop. And there's just not enough other sources gonna come online in the next decades without breeder reactors ... not when you factor in the 2 or 3 billion new people coming along, and all of them wanting to use as much electricity as we do.
A planet with one Chernobyl every 40 years will sustain human life much better than a nuclear free Venus Earth. And Chernobyl wouldn't have been serious had it had a containment vessel.
I am laughing my a_ _ off. I hope she doesn't fix on me though.
Well I got's to go y'all. Got computers that need tending to. Have a good day.
If this keeps up, Thom might be able to make some extra cash starting a Thom Hartmann Listeners dating site.
Might create more American Jobs (unless Thom decides to outsource the website to India.)
@ Charles
re: Oh Heck
Watch your language Buster. Tell me more about those fingers though. Are you perhaps from Finland or Denmark?
lost not last
Sometimes the fingers have a mind of their own
Oh heck, I last track myself.
We are all proud of you Nels. You handled that well. This is getting to be a strange place. We should try and fix up The Church Lady with Gerald.
DDay,
LOL!
I don't know Church Lady, those Appalachian Trails seem to lead down way down below into the Southern Hemisphere, I really can't go there.
Sorry, D.Silva, I am what I am. In truth I much prefer to think of myself as a Southern Californian, its where I've been born and raised.
Sorry Charles, what was the topic again?
@ D. Silva
You forgot Quark= Sub Atomic Particle.
Nels = European-American
D.Silva = Mexican-American
Obama = African/European-American
Anyone living on a reservation = American
I feel like a Brother P-Touch label maker.
@ Nels
The Church Lady didn't ask for your life story and she doesn't go in for any kind of tittylation either! She is a natural woman who is satisfied with what god gave her. What would you say to a hike along the Appalachian Trail?
Felt we needed to get back on topic. Nels and Church Lady were getting a little to cozy.
Charles,
Yum! :-)
Quark
Since "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", I think its time we take out our spoons.
Church Lady, I do have Scandinavian blood, English, French... well lets just say I'm pretty much a European mutt, bloodlines in my family go back pre-revolution days.
However, I'm named after my Grandfather, who adopted my dad. My Granddad was an actual immigrant from Hammerfest Norway though if that titillates you. Although I doubt its meant to be between us, for I'm a married man, and not given to cheatin'. (She's way to good of a woman to do that to, she not only cooks, but loves to play video games with me). Side note, I have no problems being attracted to older women, younger women, well age matters not to me... other things do, but age is really meaningless to me.
A common scene in '08 was the Ford pickup with these two bumper stickers:
"Do you still have a job? Buy American" next to "McCain/Palin"
Perfect example of the uninformed voter.
Wow. I'm shocked that Thom thinks that it was a good speech. I thought it was sneaky and deceptive. For those just listening - it was a campaign style speech. For those that have been waiting to know the President's stand, it was a series of unspoken answers to those progressive concerns and all of them were negative. Strictly status quo and a continuation of every Republican policy.
He even threw in nuclear, mythical clean coal, and expanded off-shore drilling. McCain's energy policy. No mention any longer of the "smart grid" either.
Combat troops coming home from Iraq, but what about "peace keepers" and contractors and of course Afghanistan is full speed ahead.
"strengthen or trade policies with Asia" - means no amendments, no tariffs, and continued out sourcing, no?
Double our exports? Weapons? Products American companies make abroad? Exported jobs? More of our natural resources?
The mention of agriculture suggested to me that the President has reversed his position on agricultural subsidies or even plans to expand them. Go Big Agriculture!
Every item seemed to have an unspoken, parenthetical "business as usual" in terms of existing policies or was abstract set in some future world.
Green Jobs, but no change in the fact stimulus will continue to enrich Chinese Wind Turbines or Spanish owned Solar farms ("the California Company")
It goes on an on..
@Nels
Hold on here young man. There is still hope. Everyone knows that the vikings raped and pillaged the Irish repeatedly. Chances are with a name like Nels, and given your heritage, that you are really a Scandahoovian and don't know it. The Church Lady still has hope...How do you feel about older women? When you ask me to let it "slide" I get all ecumenical.
How many of these Republicans and ConservaDems were voted for by people sporting bumper stickers encouraging us to "Buy American"?