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Gerald,
I'm not trying to win an argument or back you into a corner. I'm just trying to understand your position.
@ Gerald
Aren't you speeeshall.
Gerald,
"I would have voted for McCain but Palin as his running mate turned me off. If McCain was truly a maverick, I would have voted for him because I consider myself a maverick."
Yes, I see your comment. I guess what made an impression on me was that you would even consider voting for McCain since war seems to be the defining issue.
@ Nels
Maybe it was Scotty?
I don't blame Bernie for anything either. He is a good man. Vermont is cool. Bernie is a dependable plow horse...not a race horse...we need both kinds.
The Church Lady, thank you for the comment! You made my day!
@Gerald, you seem to be good at upsetting people....
Bravo, good for you. I'm always a fan of those who rock can rock the boat unabashedly.
I can't say I always agree with you either, but I could probably say that about the majority of people I'm acquainted with.
Quark, I did not vote McCain. I voted for Obama but I would have given some thought to vote for McCain if Palin was not on the ticket. Plus, as it turned out, McCain French kissed the religious fundamentalists' behinds and he revealed himself as not being a maverick.
@ Gerald
You piss me off too sometimes.
DDay, I suppose Spock would have found Aesop logical, and Aesop's fables were more than likely a montage of spoken tales of his era.
Silly Greeks, gave us Democracy, Olympics, and to some extent Logic (although I really doubt you can pin that last one on them).
As far as Sanders goes, I find him to be honest, perhaps its because I get to hear him weekly talk straight talk on Thom's show. I can't blame him for is lack of guiding the Senate Democrats down the right path. That's the responsibility of their constituents as far as I understand it.
You mentioned on FSTV yesterday that O did not campaign on the public option. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8QKUxang9g 2:10. O mentions public insurance option and the Minnesota crowd goes nuts.
@ Quark
Bingo!
Quark, I strongly oppose wars!!! But, a person can be a maverick in many areas, such as I become truly glorified whenever I can piss off my relatives from my wife's side of the family. Pissing off these people places me in an ecstatic and a euphoric state.
Well Richard, 13.7% is about 13.6% more progressive than the Cons want any of their members to be (giving a .01% margin of error). So I guess he could be considered a Maverick of sorts...
maybe Maverick dung.
@ Nels
Wasn't that "fool me once" from Mr. Spock? :-)
I love Bernie too but I wonder about his effectiveness. He is decent and honest but I wonder about how sly he is. His lone position as a Socialist Democrat should actually sometimes give him some clout. He may be too earnest to allow himself to be Machivelian enough to manipulate things to his advantage. I don't know. I know this is heresy here. Sorry I blew up.
Gerald,
Yes, but what about the McCain thing?
TODAY, John McCain has a 13.7% Lifetime Progressive Score . . . That's real Recessivist for an untamed pony.
http://www.progressivepunch.org/members.jsp?search=selectName&member=AZI...
Congressional hearing on financial bailout - live stream:
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN3.aspx
Quark, Wellstone may have been taken down by the CIA. I cannot deny it or prove it. Cheney and Bush, in my perceptual opinion, are mass murders and war criminals. The reason why I do not read various rags is because our mainstream media is controlled by people who seek to contaminate my brain with garbage. I have read excellent articles and books by writers who alert me to the garbage coming from the mainstream media.
Gerald,
I've been thinking about what you wrote yesterday about your reason for voting for McCain --- that he and you are mavericks.
McCain is also a hawk ('Bomb, bomb Iran, etc.) Since war is one of your major concerns, isn't this inconsistent?
'Just thinking about this overnight.
I agree about reform being necessary in other structural ways before being able to realize effective and rational health care legislation. Campaign Reform, Senate rules, (Filibusters), etc. The Dems need to clean out the barn. It should come as no surprise that it was over judicial hearings that the Repubs first began threatening the "nuclear option" when they were in the minority. Decisions like last week's are the chickens coming home to roost. Dems are clueless. Redrawing the Judiciary has been a long term project of the Cons. It is all linked.
OK Church Lady, I mispoke earlier, and Thom has been kind enough to remind me why. I don't TRUST ANY POLITICIAN EXCEPT BERNIE SANDERS (he's the exception that proves my rule).
In other words, even good people lie. I don't mean to say that all Politicians are liars either, I just don't have faith in their word. I watch for there actions, their votes, which rarely fall in line with their stump speeches.
Wisdom as old as Aesop
Once bitten twice shy.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
harry ashburn,
I, too, have mixed feelings about Thom's (and Bernie's) admonition that "despair is not an option." I think it is difficult to tackle a problem without identifying it first. An honest assessment of ourselves and our situation starts the process.
If you just stop at despair, then there's no hope. But acknowledging "what's what" can also allow one to go on.
That said, it's awfully easy to stay in despair...
Congratulations to Oregon for passing the taxes! I am willing to pay more in taxes to help people and not to expand wars and to start wars.
Blair should be sentenced for mass murders and war crimes.
Obama is a corporatist and not a populist. Obama’s speeches are hollow. His speeches are full of air with no substance. Obama’s talk is cheap.
Religions and religious groups must be taxed. They must lose their tax exemption status.
The Supreme Court’s Personhood Decision has opened a can of worms.
Cut out the middle person! Why should a corporation give money to a real person when it can use the money to elect itself?
I recently wrote of a dream on Render to Caesar the things that are for Caesar. I probably left the impression that murder of God’s children is acceptable if Caesar says that these murders are for our safety and security.
The Fifth Commandment says “You shall not kill!” This commandment does not just mean that we literally kill another person. There are other subsections to this commandment. Here are some of the subsections to the commandments.
Do you respect human life in all its forms? Do we let people starve in our country and throughout the world? Have you ever been responsible or partly responsible for the death of another person, such as abortion or become glorified with wars? Are you a drinker, such as an alcoholic? Do you use drugs? Do you drive recklessly, such as driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs and are you using the cell phone while you drive?
Killing a person is just limit to wars or to actually kill a person.
The SCOTUS has become an extended exercise in absurdity.
SCOTUS reform is about as necessary (if not more so, now) as Health Care reform.
IMHO
@ Richard
Be careful! Or the Church Lady will get on you.