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Like the Roman Empire - at some point, the rest of the world gets tired of a bullying tyrant, and begins eating away at it from every corner of the Earth.
Your post occured less than 1 minute before I posted. Continue showing this "vast" community what the typical name calling liberal does.
Have a great day.
Saved by the bell! That could have been embarrasing, Taliban and Al-Qaeda are both Sunni and infact a lot of taleban do tend towards the salafi branch of sunni islam!
Only difference being 'Taliban' is a very loose term that includes a lot of the pashtun tribes and the original group led by Mullah Umar and is fighting to establish their rule in Afghanistan based on a mish-mash of Islamic and traditional, centuries old, afghan traditional practices. They do they understand global politics are not interested in domination of muslim minds worldwide, unlike Al-Qaeda.
@RONDOG.RULZ: I suggest you read before you post. Look to the post directly above yours. Thank you for proving my point on being a knee-jerk sloganeering . . . (Impolite word, self censored for the good of the community).
THX for posting the M Moore letter. I have it posted on the message board. And on the discussion section on the Barack Obama Facebook site.
Email the president here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
CNN:
Bush Rejects Taliban offer of bin Laden
Oct 7, 2001
WOW..........4 posts by yourself and yet, I have not heard the name Obama.
Nothing left to say, thanks for making my case.
@RONDOG.RULZ: Obama is mediocre, just-right-middle-of-the-road, pro-corporate centrist. He has no policies to debate. In the off chance that Obama actually develops policies someday, I will be happy to discuss them.
An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore
Monday, November 30th, 2009
Dear President Obama,
Do you really want to be the new "war president"? If you go to West Point tomorrow night (Tuesday, 8pm) and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do -- destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they've always heard is true -- that all politicians are alike. I simply can't believe you're about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn't so.
It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That's the way General Washington insisted it must be. That's what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. "You're fired!," said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in' hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).
So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea -- "Let's invade Afghanistan!" Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.
There's a reason they don't call Afghanistan the "Garden State" (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan's nickname is the "Graveyard of Empires." If you don't believe it, give the British a call. I'd have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev's number though. It's + 41 22 789 1662. I'm sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you're about to commit.
With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the "war president." Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line -- and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.
Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn't have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.
I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush's Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.
Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you're doing it so you can "end the war") will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you've said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone -- and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout "tea bag!"
Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.
We the people still love you. We the people still have a sliver of hope. But we the people can't take it anymore. We can't take your caving in, over and over, when we elected you by a big, wide margin of millions to get in there and get the job done. What part of "landslide victory" don't you understand?
Don't be deceived into thinking that sending a few more troops into Afghanistan will make a difference, or earn you the respect of the haters. They will not stop until this country is torn asunder and every last dollar is extracted from the poor and soon-to-be poor. You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn't be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.
The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can't be won over by abandoning the rest of us.
President Obama, it's time to come home. Ask your neighbors in Chicago and the parents of the young men and women doing the fighting and dying if they want more billions and more troops sent to Afghanistan. Do you think they will say, "No, we don't need health care, we don't need jobs, we don't need homes. You go on ahead, Mr. President, and send our wealth and our sons and daughters overseas, 'cause we don't need them, either."
What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do? What would your grandmother do? Not send more poor people to kill other poor people who pose no threat to them, that's what they'd do. Not spend billions and trillions to wage war while American children are sleeping on the streets and standing in bread lines.
All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years of crimes committed in our name: torture, rendition, suspension of the bill of rights, invading nations who had not attacked us, blowing up neighborhoods that Saddam "might" be in (but never was), slaughtering wedding parties in Afghanistan. We watched as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were slaughtered and tens of thousands of our brave young men and women were killed, maimed, or endured mental anguish -- the full terror of which we scarcely know.
When we elected you we didn't expect miracles. We didn't even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn't even function as a nation and never, ever has.
Stop, stop, stop! For the sake of the lives of young Americans and Afghan civilians, stop. For the sake of your presidency, hope, and the future of our nation, stop. For God's sake, stop.
Tonight we still have hope.
Tomorrow, we shall see. The ball is in your court. You DON'T have to do this. You can be a profile in courage. You can be your mother's son.
We're counting on you.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com
@RONDOG.RULZ: Reagan’s political career represents the coalescing of the institutionalization of an inordinately large number of recessivist movements. I will go on record stating that Ronald Reagan lacked the foresight and ability to orchestrate these attacks against capitalism and democracy in American. Frankly, the guy did not have the game . . . He was a front man only BUT as the front man, his name has become synonymous with the destruction of the recessivist movement.
G.W. Bush was little more than a cheap imitation of Reagan and represented the opportunity for the fruition of the movement.
@RONDOG.RULZ: Debate is based on the interplay of facts. Debate requires the rigorous application of logical rules. Interpretation is based on those twin principles. Debate requires a ‘prima facie‘ case to be presented then questioned, dismantled or superseded by the opponent within a structured environment. You never even attempt to do any of those things.
If you truly wish to engage in debate, I would be happy to respond in kind.
My original post, mind you, was about the on-going incessant blame game about a President who left office in 1988! Can you tell me what the shelf life is for blaming Reagan for every ill that happens in the world? I listen to Hartmann's first hour every single day, and not 1 day goes by before he blames SOMETHING on Ronald Reagan.
I understand you liberals will use the GWB blame card for decades to come, but what is this sickness with blaming Reagan?
When will Hartmann discuss the continued bailouts, the non-stimulus job creator, the takeover of GM and Chrysler, the government health care fraud, the climate change fraud, the Afghanistan war decision, the KSM criminal trial, the H1N1 virus shot debacle, the ACORN fraud, the waivers for lobbyists in the WH, calling Tea Party protestors "teabaggers" the "don't jump to conclusions on Ft. Hood vs. the Cambridge cops acting "stupidly"................I could go on for another 30 minutes, but my point is, can't you libs discuss the on-going policies of Barack Obama, or is he off limits?
@RONDOG.RULZ: I feel for your grandparents, your father and your loss. I acknowledge that I could have chosen my words better.
I, also, note that it appears that their loss has had little or no impact on your capacity to sympathize with others and feel their pain. Playing the guilt card, does not give you a free pass on going out of your way to champion willful ignorance and economic warfare on the middle and lower classes. Additionally, your attempt at projecting your on-going heartless rhetoric upon others cheapens the mindless jingoism you spew.
Furthermore, I acknowledge the accuracy of my post. Reagan’s diminished capacity was used as a marketing devise to do real damage to the American economy and educational systems. Turning a man into a puppet to sell the dismantling of public systems was evil.
................"Alzheimer's addled actor". Well done. As someone who lost both grandparents and my father to that disease, I would expect nothing less from liberals.
When you cannot have a debate, chide and ridicule............once again, well done.
@RONDOG.RULZ: The first hour was NOT about bashing the Alzheimer’s addled actor . . . Just pointing out the evil crap done in your Saint’s name that hunts us today.
Hey Thom,
While nothing could probably have changed your last caller's mind on healthcare reform, you need to remind these people one important fact:
The ONLY way these companies can make a profit is by DENYING someone care.
To defend the "FOR PROFIT" insurance system is to defend denying people care.
PERIOD.
Here we go. The first hour as always, will be the usual Ronald Reagan bashing and the economy.
When are libs going to start taking ownership of these ridiculous Obama policies and stop blaming a President who was elected 29 years ago?
I also heard on NPR’s BBC service that some UN study is reporting that 70 percent of all women have been subject to some form of violence, presumably all by the hand of man. It is not known what role “feeling good about feeling badism” played in the study, malice, self-fulfilling phropecy, or if one incident (regardless of the circumstances or who was at fault) was sufficient to make the list. One activist group refers to “femicide,” although according to FBI crime statistics, 76 percent of all murder victims (at least in this country) are male, and more male children are killed than female (with women more likely than men to be the perpetrators of child-killing). Research on these subjects almost without exception focus on the female-as-victim angle; exceptions tend to elicit unfavorable reactions, such as the early 1990s University of Washington study which monitored couple behavior. The study suggested that women were just as likely as men to instigate “domestic violence;” the reaction from victim advocates was predictably heated and in denial. If it is claimed that men were conscious of their behavior, then what are we to say of the women who felt no compulsion to moderate their behavior?
I’m not going to be stupid enough to sit here and say that a few men are not savage beasts, but then again you have to question why some women find such men preferable as “mates” than others; maybe they feel “safer” with them. But there are other realities. A columnist for the defunct P-I commented on almost unanimously-ignored study that suggested that 35 percent of all domestic violence cases were perpetrated by women. In the following column he revealed that he had been contacted by a police officer who expressed his frustration when confronted with many a domestic violence situation. Often it was difficult to ascertain who was at fault, but unless the woman was standing over the bloody pulp of a man with a frying pan in her hand, it was the man who would almost invariably be arrested, because the police were required to arrest someone after a domestic violence call.
Perhaps some people heard the news of Tiger Woods’ auto mishap last Friday morning, and were skeptical of the rather bizarre explanation for it initially. Over the weekend, Tiger and his wife “delayed” talking to police investigators (apparently to get their story straight), but an AP story Friday evening suggested a much different scenario. Tiger allegedly told someone who was not law enforcement after the incident that he and his wife were arguing about his alleged tabloid affair with another woman (the latter who vehemently denies this, saying “those girls are lying”); after 2 am, Tiger apparently had enough argumentation and left the house. As he was pulling away in his SUV, his wife (who was still in the mood for argument) emerged from the house with a golf club, caught up with him at the gate and started clubbing the vehicle. After that, the story returns to murkiness; Tiger allegedly turned around to see what was going on, and with the SUV still in gear moved forward and struck the fire hydrant and tree.
But the fact that Tiger and his wife have delayed for the third day talking to investigators remains suspicious, and the unanswered questions are legion. What was he doing a 2:25 AM? If the SUV was traveling at high speed, why didn’t the air-bag deploy? Why were the rear windows smashed? The person who called 9-1-1 after hearing the crash did not see Tiger inside the vehicle, but lying outside. The truth may be that Tiger got out of the SUV to stop her, and she then turned the club’s attention to his head, knocking him into the senseless state police would find him in. Meanwhile, the SUV, still in gear, rolled out of the driveway and into the fire hydrant and a neighbor’s tree.
But Tiger will take the chivalrous route and (try) to avoid more such publicity; other than the occasional curses at a bad shot, he seems even-keeled, somewhat aloof and careful of his privacy. But some people will no doubt find the account just described amusing, even if entirely true. That is why the role that women play in domestic violence is largely overlooked. How can you “solve” a problem if you only look at half of it?
On Sunday, four Lakewood (a town on the outskirts of Fort Lewis, WA) police officers were ambushed by an assailant while they prepared for the day’s activities at a coffee shops. It was a shockingly brazen act, unprecedented in recent memory. It must be confessed that relations between the local police and certain communities in Lakewood (and nearby Tacoma as well) leave much to be discussed, but it appears that “mental health” issues in combination with a history of “erratic behavior” and violence is to blame. It may also be a copycat of the Seattle police officer slaying a few weeks ago, committed by a man with no criminal past but had a “grudge” against police and what he believed to be police brutality. It is also a testament to the increased atmosphere of hostility between the police and certain communities, creating an atmosphere conducive to such acts—especially given the belief that the police are rather carefree with their use of lethal force, particularly when most of their victims seem to be non-criminal types who just happen to put themselves in a bad situation at the wrong time. In any case, this should end Mike Huckabee’s presidential aspirations.
Anyways, this right-wing retired soldier who wanted to argue with Thom about how the U.S. military personnel are treated, I recall an old saying that the best place to be in the military was between the place you were leaving and the place you were going. The service can’t be that great when you’re thinking about how “short” you are—180 days, 90 days and then the week you have to laugh at the guys who still have to run around like chickens during a 2 am alert, or have to go on 30-day “camping trips.” Yeah, some soldiers like to puff-out their chests, but that’s always after the fact and when they’ve escaped unscathed. I spent seven years in the Army during the Reagan years, and I don’t recall feeling particularly special, although Reagan did make of show of restoring the lost “honor” of the troops; at least we made a little more money, and Reagan knew that it wasn’t worth destroying morale to no purpose—pulling out of Beirut after the Marine barracks bombing. But not that much, at least not enough make to me rich; I recall one staff sergeant bragging about how he had $5,000 in the bank, which was pretty impressive considering most privates ran out of money a week after payday. When I left the service, what I had managed to save (as a buck sergeant) was my last paycheck. I suspect most single soldiers serving in war zones today have a considerably easier time saving money, since they don’t have as many opportunities to spend it, so I can see how this particularly former soldier can imagine what “rich” is like, since for a person who joined the service with no job and no money, $5,000 does seems “rich.”
Nobody wants to play 'Where's Waldo' with Governor Sanford.
That is about kidnapping . . .
Sen. Bernie Sanders on Bernanke reconfirmation (congressional hearings this week; video):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#34206961
Dear Loretta,
Thank you for your sharing of mystic poetry. It may be too simplistic, but, they seem to say "Make love not War!" Sometimes things that seem on first glance to be simplistic are in fact profound. You seem to embrace life's gifts with open arms and uninhibitedly. Thinking about what you are like brings a smile to my face. Thanks again.
Here is an interesting article in Labor Notes on the reasons why we aren't having as many war protests right now and how unions are engaging members to talk about the cost of war.
http://labornotes.org/node/2515
So the best action to take this week may be to write letters and try to organize a showing of Rethink Afghanistan. I will try to make this a priority in my life this week.
Gerald,
You quoted Matthew Yglesias’ blog, " Mr. Stewart says, “It’s like they’re coming in and saying to you, ‘I’m going to drive my car off a cliff. Should I or should I not wear a seat belt?’ And you say, ‘I don’t think you should drive your car off the cliff.’ And they say, ‘No, no, that bit’s already been decided – the question is whether to wear a seat belt.’ And you say, ‘Well, you might as well wear a seat belt.’ And then they say, ‘We’ve consulted with policy expert Rory Stewart and he says …’”
That's such a great analogy and sums it up perfectly.
I am having a similar experience when talking with progressives about starting war protests. Liberals I love and respect are telling me that it's too late to do anything now. Of-course that's not true, but it sure does feel as if we have spent so very much time writing letters to congressmen about health care when we should have been spending an equal amount of time letting it be known how against this war we are.
It feels like we are starting all over again and its hard to know where to begin.
Thom has kept up his passionate pleas and warnings about Afghanistan.
I think part of the problem is that we have consistently been asked by President Obama and members of congress to participate in the health care debate but we have not in any way been asked our opinion about sending more troops to Afghanistan. I am feeling a little duped and wondering what to do next.