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I think that we’ve crossed the threshold leaving behind a nation of law, and embarking on a nation of men…
Snoden was smart to flee this "land of the free" after seeing how Manning was treated for exposing some of our war crimes. The police state is getting worse each day, people who dare to expose the crimes of this government had better flee before sending the dirty evidence to the press. There is no freedom of the press here, no freedom of speach or the right to privacy or to be secure in our persons, papers, homes or effects, we no longer have any rights not even the right to remain silent unless we carefully say we reserve the right to remain silent.
Isn't it time for another revolution to get rid of the mess in washington DC, split up the United states into smaller countries that have some chance of being under the control of we the people instead of the rich and powerful?This country is now too large to be fairly controlled by a few corporate puppets in Washington DC.
"voting" has become worthless as the voting machines are controlled and hacked by the corporations that own them, the way to clean up this mess will not be through the polls but through the gun, man traps, snares, poison etc.
I am not an engineering, a scientist, a pilot, or a metaluergist. But I do know that Jet fuel, which is just highly refined kerosene, burning in the open air, will NOT produce a temperature hot enough to melt steel. Second, the compressor blades in those big jet engines are, suposedly (I haven't been able to verify this, yet), made of a Titanium-Nickel alloy with a melting point in excess of 5,000 degrees Farenheit. The government wants us to believe they were completely vaporized in the Pentagon attack; the only compressor rotor that was found at the scene, both GE and Rolls Royce have stated PUBLICLY could NOT have come from either of the main engines or the APU.
Was 9/11 a government conspiracy, at least in part? You can bet you aunt Fannie's fanny it was. Personally, I believe the government discovered a plan to fly ONE plane in to the world trade center - and then decided to "enhance" the attack for greater gain, politacally and monitarily.
There is just so much evidence available, people need to open their eyes and see it - look up the facts and the science for themselves. Otherwise, soon some corpratocricy will be telling us all when can and can't open our eyes.
I agree. When world class physicist Stephen Hawkings cast doubt on the events of 911 I take note. Not to mention the many other world renoun physicist who have set up a website based on Issac Newtons theory. The only crackpots involved after that are the ones in denial. Bill Maher being an excellent example of denial. Oliver Stone was reported to have been threatened with his liberty if even dared make an unapproved movie about 911, and Jesse Ventura claims the only reason he has not been hit is because of his visible profile. So we have the thinking citizens choice : The 911 commision BS or Newtons Law. Simple choice.
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So the military judge sentenced Pvt Bradley Manning to 35 years in the brig. I heard news reporters claiming that is a 'fair' sentence.
Compared to what?:
- Lt William Calley (My Lai Massacre)
- Gen Colin Powell (My Lai Massacre over-up; Iraq invasion liar)
- Karl Rove (retaliation against Valerie Plame)
- Irving 'Scooter' Libby (retaliation against Valerie Plame)
- Adm John Poindexter (Iran-Contra)
- Lt Ollie North (Iran-Contra)
In what world of reality is Manning's imprisonment 'fair'??? Not to mention three years of un-Constitutional torture. Bush and Obama should be making efforts to restore Mannig and his dignity.
There are no signs that the helicopter killers whom Manning exposed will ever be tried, convicted, and sentenced for their murders. 'Fair'???
Manning, you are America's hero exposing war crimes.
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I'm just going to share some quotes that I think are appropriate:
"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority... It thus
exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First
Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from
retaliation -- and their ideas from suppression -- at the hand of
an intolerant society."
--- U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens
"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most
dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act
that could most easily defeat us."
--- Justice William O. Douglas
"All exercise of authority corrupts - All submission to authority degrades."
I don't have a reference for the last quote, so I don't know who said it.
I have to say I agree with Kayakersandcat. I have volunteered for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Richard Gage, AIA, has gotten signatures (totally verified mind you) of almost 2,000 licensed architects and engineers to sign a petition for a new and independent investigation into the destruction of THREE towers on 9/11/01. Two planes, three towers. That alone should tell you something, Thom.
Just because my representatives don't represent me doesn't mean I stop writing to them. I've known for some time that no one is listening to me (or the rest of the 99%), a fact that portends the decline and fall of the American empire. I'm still writing to my silly senators and representative while I read Gar Alperovitz--What Then Must We Do?--about what is coming next.
Greedy well connected Jesse Jackson JR and his high living wife steal 750 K . Judge gives them a slap on wrist Our laws -system of ' justice' is seriously flawed . aka a JOKE
Vindictiveness is the Obama administration.
We have become an efficient fascist state----effectiveness and durability is the agenda for all real Americans.
Well said, Thom. Well said.
Of course, we never got justice for this SCAD either (State Crime Against Democracy):
http://www.globalresearch.ca/jfk-assassination-marked-the-end-of-the-ame...
Do you have any ideas on how to identify those with competent, legitimate credentials?
I'm disappointed you didn't have more dialog with "Bob", apparently a regular caller that you call cynical.
I happen to agree with Bob. We SHOULD be investigating 911, we should be investigating Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, etc., etc. for illegal actions that took us into a horrendous war that destroyed the lives of so many people. Unless we expose and deal with the CRIMES, we will continue to have the same ROT and CORRUPTION in government. We should all be demanding a pardon for Bradley Manning, and stop criminalizing whistleblower Snowden.
Of course that are plenty of crackpot theories about 911, but ANYONE can do enough research to realize there are also serious questions and issues that need to be pursued. I believe it's very possible Bush & Co. were aware of and even involved in 911. WHY WON'T YOU EVEN CONSIDER TALKING TO THE SERIOUS EXPERTS WHO HAVE RAISED ISSUES? It should not be difficult to identify those that have competent, legitimate credentials and have them on the program to discuss their views.
There is a difference between "cynicism" and "realism".
Grassroots effort. Make them shake in their boots.
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Green..."Cobb says corporations like the British East India Company existed to exploit people and their lands."
No doubt this was the case, in fact the Dutch East India Company (VOC) was on board with this.....exploiting the riches of the east, too. It's also interesting to note, and most historians agree, that the Dutch West India Company was conceived of more as a "maritime war machine" hell-bent on privateering and war with Spain. One goal was to capture the Spanish treasure fleets, these ships being filled with gold and silver, wealth being extracted by the Spanish from it's colonies in South America.
These were all stock companies sold on the Amsterdam stock exchange, not very different than Walmart stock nowadays!
DAnneMarc: Wow! That sounds like what they did in Philadelphia back in 1985 when the police wiped out a whole row of row houses trying to get the MOVE members. It also sounds like what they did to Chris Dorner. They used incendiary flash grenades and burned everyone to a crisp. We need to hold these Mall Kops and their supervisors all the way up the ladder to the Mayor accountable. Prosecute these people for murder if that's what it amounted to. Militarization of our local police forces is insane...none of us are safe! If it's not drive by gang members...it's militarized local police.
DAnneMarc: I agree, your point was well taken! I think I could put up with bad sewers if I didn't have to worry so much about a criminal system that tells you to go home, take 2 aspirins, and then charges you hundreds, or thousands of dollars, and then you die anyway because they misdiagnosed your condition..sticking your loved ones with the exorbitant bills. I could possibly even live with the fear of a stray bullet from some drug lords in Mexico but not so of the drug lords that trade, and rig the game, on the NYSE in AmeriKa. Seig Heil! Many of us don't trust the system anymore...we cannot have confidence that those who we once believed would save us in the event that we got deathly ill or involved in a life-threatening accident. All we know is that we'll either starve or we'll die from some careless mistake from some idiot doctor puppets of the profit driven death panels of insurance companies.
I watched the Thom Hartman interview of Karen Davenport (National Women's Law Center) and Ethan Rome (Health Care for America Now) today. And Karen Davenport said that on Jan 1st, 2014 insurance companies won't be able to turn down people with pre-existing conditions. That may be true but I didn't hear her say that these insurance companies won't demand a whopping premium...something no one can afford...so won't be able to get healthcare insurance without having to pay very high insurance premiums...especially if you have a pre-existing condition where they will charge more. They won't turn you down...they'll just charge more!
Another thing she said (as I understood it), after Thom asked, was that people will have to pay to the insurance companies whatever premiums they require and at the end of the year, if you have been deemed as someone who doesn't make enough money, you will see a reimbursement in your taxes. So, people who can't really afford those high insurance premiums will be forced to pay them and then get reimbursed a year later. Right! Sounds like what my company, many years ago, was doing...we went from having a company credit card or getting an expense check to cover expenses prior to a business trip to where we had to use our own money...pay for everything using our personal credit cards...then having to wait for an expense check some weeks after the end of the business trip. The employer used the employee's money..or at least the employee's good credit. That's about the same time the company was trying to squeeze us out of what we were allowed to spend per diem.
She also said that you will be penalized, if you don't have insurance, $95 added to your taxes the first year or 1% of your income which ever is more. So, if your income is $20,000 you'd pay $200 more in taxes, $30,000 you'd pay $300 extra, etc. The following years it would go up to 2.5% of your income. Now, if you are making $20,000 and have to pay $200 extra in taxes compare that with 5 or 6 times that amount say over $1000 per MONTH...or $12,000 per year in premiums...and then you will likely have a whopping deductible you will have to pay...even before insurance kicks in. If you never get sick then you will at least have to pay $12,000..even if you never see a doctor. Granted, premiums vary but the older you get, the more you have to pay. And $1,000 per month is not unheard of when you are in your $60s...or if younger..families cost a lot as well. I remember when the company I worked for, a number of years ago, offered it's employees $10,000 per year extra if they would just get their own healthcare insurance.
I think many people will opt to pay the penalty of 1% of their income rather than over 50% of their income to damn insurance rackets, I mean companies.
And Thom posed the question about if one's premiums were over 9% (that would be $1800 for someone making $20,000 or $150/month) of their income they wouldn't have to buy health insurance.
Then Ethan Rome barely let Thom finish his question and rapidily interjected, as well as deflected Thom's question, that "if anyone is knocking on your door then they are going to be part of your enrollment". He seemed nervous that Thom posed that question and didn't even answer him.
So, just how many people making $20,000 will get premiums of merely $150/month...or $225/month if you make $30,000...or $525/month if you are making $70,000? I would venture to say that very few people will be able to get insurance premiums under 9% of their income. Insurance premiums will be way higher and if so, if the 9% rule were true, then no one will be obligated to participate in Obamacare. And remember, if you already have some form of healthcare....like Medicare, Medicaid, or VA you are not obligated to participate in Obamacare...as I understand it. So, don't be talked into buying extra insurance...like supplemental...unless you really want to. Damn insurance companies will stop at nothing to trick you out of your money.
Outreach people canvasing the neighborhood...knocking on doors?
Well, exxxxcccccusssse me! I don't answer my telephone if I don't recognize the numbers because I am constantly plagued by Scamsters...and that goes double for those with clipboards at my door(I can see them on my security camera and from past experience know these people are not worth opening the door for). As far as I'm concerned...these people are all scamsters. As long as our illustrious law enforcement "protectors" allow people to pester us on our phones and knock at our doors then many of us will just be too wary to even respond. I saw two guys carrying clipboards go past just tonight! One approached my door, stood right on the door mat and had a cell phone to his ear, didn't even knock or ring the door bell, but changed his mind and left. Don't know why...they are carrying cell phones and seem to know who answers their doors and who doesn't.
"Outreach" my @$$!! This program of sending people door to door lays wide open the opportunity for scamsters pretending to be "Outreach" (badges? Identity cards? right! those can be faked) to collect all kinds of data on you for identity theft. Not even to mention that people have been raped and/or murdered by people knocking at your door pretending to be someone. Once you open the door and let them in, you are at their mercy. It happens all the time...don't be the next victim!
One number that has frequently tried to call, I've learned from others who have been pestered with the same number calling and who actually answered their phones, was that is was a healthcare insurance company (so they claimed) claiming that they were eligible for free upgrade to their exisiting policies...for free! All they needed was some very personal data. Like ages and names of your children, your age, your social security number. Yeah! Right! Most people are smart enough to just hang up...they would be smarter if they got caller ID and don't answer their phones when they get a call from a strange phone number. So, tell me...how will these outreach pests manage to sucker everyone in when there are many people who won't bite?
Remember, Obamacare is really a Republican/insurance company scam to force everyone to shell out to the insurance companies.
Afterall, what do you expect from a criminal run government that spys on us all and criminalizes whistle blowers that blow the whistle on wrongdoers? Do you trust the government that is spying on us all? Prosecuting whistle blowers? Not a chance! They are all scamsters...even our government!