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You know, I watched the video of the "burn at the cabin" today and had to think "this whole institution, the police state, is totally out of control". There were cops firing on trucks that didn't even resemble Dorner's vehicle in residential areas. I'm wondering if some of these guys aren't refugees from Iraq or Afghanistan suffering from PTSD. What otherwise sane individual wouldn't want to protect him/herself and family from such insanity? I'm not saying that "guns are the answer", but what in the hell else do we have at our disposal to fend off this madness? Somebody please suggest something....(reasonable)
Outback: Yup, that's me, alright. I'm trying out the Max Keiser look.
In a state where there are no for-profit prisons, it would likely cost more to jail the poor than to ignore them. In states where politicians pander to profit, it's cheap/slave labor.
The first sign of the formation of a totalitarian state is that they take away all the guns. The anti-gun psychology is to go for the more powerful weapons, the one's you don't use for hunting, then they'll go for all the others. What use is it of having little pea shooters against totalitarian forces armed with the latest, greatest weapons? We would want the eyes of T.J. Eckleburg staring at us in chains, would we?
By the way, Julian Assange is running for Australian senate as a member of the newly formed WikiLeaks party.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/13/it-is-official-julian-assange-will-r...
Hey P, Is that really you in the picture? ;-) I'm gonna send you some Brylcreme (sp?)
That's right, Chucster! And right on, Outback! All good points, indeed! It is hard to have a totalitarian control of the people when they all have guns.
Excerpts of the audio of police communications before starting the fire that burned Dorner alive.
“@#!ing burn this mother@#!er,”
“burn that @#!ing house down.”
"We're gonna go forward with the plan...with the burn."
"Got it!"
"Want us ta...what we talked about?"
“The burners are deployed, and we have a fire”
The police lie, lie, lie! And I wouldn't be surprised if Dorner was right about his wrongful firing from the LAPD. Dorner's "manifesto" about the rampant racial slurs and hatreds in the LAPD may very well be correct. That doesn't excuse him from murdering those people though. He may deserve what he got but not to be burned to death like that. That's just plain chicken sh!t...bunch of cowards. And look what they did to those innocent civilians who just happened to be driving the same kind of vehicle. There needs to be a big investigation into the LAPD and not by their own. They'll whitewash the whole thing.
What I find interesting is that all the State run media outlets of China, Russia and, yes, the U.S.(CNN, etc.) are calling for the disarming of the American people and revocation of the 2nd amendment. Such unanimity of purpose gives me pause. Perhaps, if anything, such unanimity is reason enough to arm oneself in America. When you have across the board agreement from all major totalitarian governments be afraid, very afraid.
I consider myself to be a progressive liberal who voted for Obama the first time because I believed in what he had to say in his campaign rhetoric. I certainly did not vote for the turncoat the 2nd time around. Obama is not a progressive liberal or even close. He calls himself a Democrat but that's just the sheep's clothing on a wolf that will promise you anything and then stab you in the back.
I haven't, and have refused to watch Fox Snooze for most of the years it has been on...considering them to be traitors and propagandists that supports the top 2% and feeds hogwash lies to the 98% in order to control them for the top 2%. So no one can claim that I listen or watch Fox News. I don't even watch any movies or programs or anything on that channel.
But, I am saying that we are fast becoming a country with no freedoms or liberty...where the oppressive forces will force everyone of us into poverty and will herd us to our deathbeds. After all that has happened already, how can anyone be dumb enough not to recognize what is happening to them? Don't be fooled by some of those public personalities or institutions that have liberal sounding names and sometimes say a few liberal things once in a while. They are there to control those of us who really are progressive liberals. They are the "infiltrators" that will use psychology on us and leverage us into eventual serfdom. They are there to steer the conversation and our attention away from the really important things.
My contention is that if everyone in America had weapons then those insidious and corrupt forces, that now controls our government, would realize that they would stand no chance of surviving the defensive forces of a well armed citizenry. That very knowledge, alone, would stave off some of the criminal things these people are getting away with. Our constitution says that we citizens have a right to defend ourselves against tyranny and to overthrow a tyrannous government. That's not a "right-wing tea party" thing to say..it's what our Constitution says. I'm not right-wing, or tea party..and I believe the tea party members are controlled by ultra wealthy right wing forces.
If progressive liberals continue in their current wimpy ways, soon there won't be any progressive liberals...they'll all be in concentration camps. Keep listening to those fake liberals, the ones that want to take away any means of protection or bargaining-from-strength ability and you may as well just learn to salute your Furor...seig heil!
Twistedgenes - Yes, I remember the Texas bell tower shootings. I also remember Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge and now, what shall we call it, Big Bear? You want to talk fear mongering? What could be more insidious than what our own government has done to us in the name of 911? There's more than enough fear to go around, twistedgenes, and it's not all coming from the NRA or those of us legitimately concerned with the direction our "leaders" are taking us.
From my view Thom Hartmann is as good or better content than the other cable channels. Thom Hartmann’s radio program is far superior to other radio channels too. Comparing to Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, and Cunningham, Beck, Miller, Dobbs, or just about any fill in, Hartmann has deep penetrating honest commitment to intellectual virtues that wins my admiration and trust.
It is not unusual for Thom to patiently debate a conversation with what we all can tell is a poor critical thinker. To me that defines one of the highest forms of citizenship that out strips some who are highly educated degree people. What Mr. has done for me is to flush out those highly educated very intelligent persons who habitually do evil intentionally. Now for me that behavior sticks out with dimensions that are unbelievable, easy to live by and better than having a pistol to know how to avoid the sophistry of Republican right extremist paradigm. For those who gain this understanding will eventually realize as Obama does it might be better to work without them.
Then we have Charles Krauthammer knows that the right political physic game is exactly nothing more than a rhetorical Ponzi scheme. Hal Fonts said it very well “Republicans have discovered how to rip and rebrand Democrats (using blatant lies and misinformation) into: "Tax and Spend" irresponsible destroyers of the country. They pin all their failures onto Dems, while usurping all of Democratic successes as theirs -- openly and shamelessly.” Form me, that is exactly the way to characterize the Republicans today, yet deeply and with evil moral deceptive integrity shows this Republican Partie's citizenship that is genuinely corrupt complicit, and seditionist to American values.
The NRA and LaPierre are scared doomsdayers who run around screaming the sky is falling. Obama will be lucky to get background checks in every state. No one is coming for your guns (and yes I own guns and am a former hunter) nor are they going to turn us into a Police State that's ridiculous. If some nut who just shot two Police in my area was on the run I sure as hell would want the Police and Sheriff's deputies out hunting him down. My cousin was shot and killed in the sniper shooting at a Texas Uninversity back in the 60s 50 yrs later the same thing continues.If Obama was the big bad ass dictator that some of you here are so afraid of don't you think all of your misguided fears would have come true by now?
Turn off FOX SNOOZE and follow the politicians their records their words not some highly paid commentators who revel in scaring you silly.
That 47% drivel and corporations are people too crap combined with the President's re-election should be all he needs to assert a mandate from the people to improve the human condition in the nation. However, it seems at times he is posturing for another election. Christ sakes he has the political capital to spend on domestic policy, HE SHOULD SPEND IT!!!! JFK,in repeating Truman, said that congress is too concerned with accomodating the special interests so it has to be the President who looks out for the interests of the people, the non special interests. EAT THE POOR seems to be turning into President Obama's domestic policy mantra. It's disappointing.
The NRA is for the 1%, They do not care bout the 98 % but their Money !
Susie Elzabeth Littler of Truckee, California 96161 Kill her Mother (June Ann Fischer)
Why ?
Susie & Ralph D.Littler of Truckee, Californai 96161 Wanted her Mother to buy her a New Home in Truckee, and a New SUV.
When her Mother say NO, Susie Kill her
But the EMT & the Cathedral City, Police did not do one thing to Susie.
Why ?
Susie told the Police that her Mother (June Ann Fischer) was comeing down with Alzheimer, also Susie has her Mother in a LOCK - ROOM for (2) Two years !
When Susie took her Mother Social mSeccurty Checks !!
God Bless the Womens & Mens who have Alzheimer
Thank you,
June Ann Fischer
her Son,
ps
Would you Kill your Mother for her Will, and Kill youe Mother for a New Home in Trckee, California 96161, also Would you Kill your Mother for a New SUV ?
Also Would you Kill your Mother if she have Alzheim ?
"Apparently, Wayne LaPierre is very afraid, and he wants you to be to."
No, Mr. LaPierre is not afraid. He DOES want you and me to be afraid, but he is simply in the business of selling more guns. I knew there'd be a sales pitch in there somewhere.
I have to second Pd's comments and add that LaPierre has some valid points. He's being demonized by the liberal media as a "nut" but I have not yet witnessed the guy losing his composure or uttering anything that isn't reasonably plausible. By contrast, the "freaked left", not excluding our esteemed host on this blog, are resorting to name calling and jeering epithets like "gun nut". Palindromidary's observation regarding the recent disposition of Dorner, the LA cop run amok, is absolute evidence that we do, in fact, live in a police state. There is no better reason to prepare for the worst.
Police protection?...now there's an oxymoron! Sorry, but I just watched "Breaking the Set" where they played the recordings of the police getting ready to torch a guy alive. Dorner may have warranted being dead for what he did but the evidence, the recordings, show that the very vindictive gestapo pigs went above the law and burned a guy alive. The police deny it of course, just like the police tried to deny what the feds did in Waco when that fire burned all those men, women, and children. And before that in Philadelphia when the police firebombed the row home of the Move group and managed to burn something like 75 other units.
We live in a police state! And it is getting very obvious that we need our guns more than ever. If we all had guns, the corrupt police and our corrupt fascist government would/couldn't be so brazen. Even our main stream media won't broadcast real news. Have you heard any coverage on main stream media...playing those audio communications from the police around that cabin in Big Bear planning to torch the cabin?
Another subject on "Breaking the Set" that they talked about was the huge story about how our government was in cahoots with a drug cartel...giving them free passage to ship massive amounts of drugs into the US in exchange for information about a competing drug cartel. US banks were in on the money laundering. They also talked about the "Fast and Furious" fiasco where the US government shipped thousands of high tech weapons to the drug lords in Mexico.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/chris-dorner-fire-possibly-star...
http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/SCdqybEfy9w
laws:
legislation passed to protect the rich who are guilty, and to punish the poor who are innocent
illegal:
what only the poor and working poor people's crimes are
anything an accused person has done, if they can't afford an exceptionally skilled attorney
defense attorney:
a lawyer who is either rich or poor, dependent upon whether they represent clients judged "innocent" because they are rich, or judged "guilty" because they are poor
The APT: American Political Terms:
http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id...
thanks
Perhaps I am not asking this in the correct venue, but can anyone tell me the name of the BBC documentary that Tom mentioned yesterday (2/13/13 wednesday show) about the discovery of the ancestor to all mammals being discovered? He said that it aired in 2012. I cannot find it anywhere.
Thank you so much for your help.
Gerri Mathias
gmathias1982@yahoo.com
P.S. Thanks also for a great show everyday, and for the great education!
The Tea Party is not a real political party either, but they have a voice for corporations equal to the Republican Party.
LOL very funny.
"but the NRA is not a political party. Apparently no one's informed him of that,"
No they are not but union leaders do the same, all the time, and they are not a political party . Although unions do own a political party. Thats whats great about America you all have the right to your opinion.
I am a Canadian but if I lived down there I think I would buy a gun. Lapierre has a point .
Yeah, PALINDROMEDARY, I gotta say I am sorry for the rant, but I am not a happy tax paying citizen...I'm fed up with all the bullshit. To me "things" don't have to be as complicated as we make them out to be. Sure "Life" is unfair, but it seems we really try our best to make it even more so. Don't get me wrong "I don't want to see our society come unglued", I hope we ALL can (as a collective) resolve our economic woes and social issues in a civilized and nonviolent manner. I truely do not have any anamosity towards people with gobs of money (I have many friends whoes net worth puts them in the upper 2%), Nor do I condem people for their political or religious beliefs, everyone is entitled to choose for themselves what is right for them.
HOWEVER, I do take issue with self righteous attitudes, and narrow minded agendas that only serve the few. Both the Left and the Right are guilty, as is ANY social, corporate, or political party, whoes ideas are self serving...A take more and give very little attitude, and blame everyone else (Immagrants, the elderly, the ill, the poor) when the shit hits the fan!
If the minimum wage had risen since 1997 at the same rate as CEO compensation, it would now be about $30/hour. I did the research on rates and the calculations back in 2007, and at that time, it worked out to $25, so I estimated for the years since.