I fully agree. I haven't had a flu shot in 3 years because of an adverse reaction I had many years ago. I got nauseous and ended up dehydrated on my back for three days. It felt like I was going to die. I've come down with colds since then but nothing compared to my reaction to the flu shot. I won't let any Doctor now come near me with a hypo.

Wow Palindromedary! You sound just like a best friend of mine. So much so I have to wonder if you and he are the same person. LOL As far as I know he is not a member of this forum. However, I do wish I could introduce you both. He too is an atheist, agnostic or something of that nature. LOL He studied to be a Director of movies. I helped him. I think you would both hit it off.

Nevertheless, regardless of your beliefs, I'm convinced that the Demon factor is worthy of investigation. I respect your beliefs; but, in return, I expect you to respect my concerns. If you don't have empirical evidence that my theory is wrong I insist you consider it. It is the very least I can reasonably expect form an intelligent being.

Thanks for your reply!

Ragingdemo, your points are well taken and I cannot disagree. You are spot on and you are well spoken! I also agree with Alex Jones. He meticulously supports his claims and I respect his judgments. In fact, if I were so inclined, there is much more sinister facts that I could add to your rant that would help support your reasoning. I suspect that you are as aware as I of these other little tidbits of fact tossed around the Alex Jones news team and respectfully left them out of your dialogue. I respect that! I too will not taint my rant with the sinister facts. Fear has a way of causing more harm than good; and, I am certain that these credible concerns don't make any difference as far as our struggle is concerned.

The fact of the matter is, the current Cabal of influences in our Government have amast such vast amounts of wealth and resources that they have--in fact--created a system that is top heavy and unstable. If left to it's own devices it is my belief that this system will shortly implode. There is no need to worry about a 'counter offensive' or 'domestic invasion'. The military defense that this Cabal has cultivated is currently suffering from an epidemic in suicide. Their defensive forces worst enemy are themselves. Ragingdemo, if you are not aware, historically, only loyal, committed, and determined army's succeed at defeating enemies. I might be wrong--please correct me if I am--but I personally know of no army in history that won any battles while battling an epidemic of suicide amongst it's ranks.

It is my firm belief that the only weapons you or I need to successfully deal with the current Cabal is Determination, Patients, and Faith. Your Faith may be your main problem. Remember the scripture:

Mathew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

There is nothing wrong with seeking knowledge and asking questions. But don't forget the big picture. You mentioned coincidences and connecting dots. God uses coincidences and gives us dots to connect as well. Please be patient and in time you will see an example of what I'm talking about that is guaranteed to blow you away!

Mathew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him

which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Please don't let faithless fear cloud your thinking. One man can move a mountain if he believes and is patient and determined. Don't give in to Animal Instincts. Your eternal soul is in good hands! God Bless us all!

Think about the athletes who dope to get ahead, the ban on doping is designed to keep athletes from having to compete in more and more dangerous ways to stay on top. Having a society that feels comfort in gun ownership will limit out and the comfort level when every one owns a certain measure of a gun will amount to a new need, such as...? At the same time statistically, guns will lead to more shootings. I don't want to fight to keep up with the Joneses, nor do I want people and their quick tempers playing with guns. It's an illness of a society to believe it is need to be strong. Strength starts will taking care of every individual.

I'm all for limits on reducing gun addiction, gun comfort, what ever you want to call it. It's not protection really, statistically you will more likely be shot if you have a gun.

How to do it? What measure is enough? What measure is not enough? I'm not entirely sure. I'd like a society that doesn't feel insecure or answers its needs with force and violence. To get there we need a conversation and this will start by reducing the quantity and the fire power of guns in the population.

As an almost victim of gun violence from being in a robbery as an infant where a gun was fired in the ceiling of a grocery store, to almost shooting myself as a child playing with a loaded 22-long pistol, to almost shooting a sibling in a violent fight, I'm sure not a fan of guns especially in the home, I know the risks.

Reduction in clip capacity is a start, but I don't really think a ban on a guns that mimics the look a military riffle will change many aspects of gun violence. Semi-automatic fire is available in hunting riffles and hand guns, they will be used instead.

I believe Canada's gun control model is pretty successful, perhaps we should aim there, pardon the pun. The idea of mandatory gun safe ownership and use, and trigger locks while a gun is in transport makes a lot of sense. The odds of someone using a gun for mass shooting is rare, and the odds of a civilian being able to stop a nutcase with a gun is rare as well. Leave it to the police, and fund police especially for community policing and fund mental health care. Lastly get rid of poverty, period.

Lorne

Hitler formed the Brownshirts as a group to go around terrorizing citizens who disagreed with Hitler's increasingly insane policies. Then he realized that as a group of people who were trained to beat up or kill everyone who disagreed with them, the Brownshirts were potentially dangerous to Hitler. She he formed another, similarly-trained group (I forget their name), and set the two groups against each other so they would be so distracted by their hatred for each other that they would not even think about going against Hitler, and he could proceed with his mentally unbalanced agenda. In other words, Hitler was a skilled politician.

Now let's fast forward to today. Horrified by the recent shootings, many Americans are arming themselves. And many millions of other Americans, equally horrified by the recent shootings, are insisting on gun control.

I think this whole thing about gun control may be partly just a distraction, because we have two sides who are so polarized that they will never agree on whether we need more guns or fewer guns. I mean no disrespect to the families of the people who have been murdered, those deaths are awful.

But the fact remains: the gun control issue is a problem that can't be solved in America at this time. No matter how skillfully Thom argues, and no matter how hysterically the right wingers scream, neither of them is going to convince the other. And yet the media keeps pushing the issue, it's all over the liberal and conservative newspapers, radio news shows, newspapers, and magazines. Gun control, gun control, gun control. Of course part of their reason for pushing the issue is purely financial: the battle about gun control sells air time and sells publications, and so, with their usual total lack of ethics, the media profits from the argument and if they have anything to say about it, the fight will go on forever.

But could there be another reason why the media is pushing this problem? For the answer to that question, we need to ask: who owns the media? Ok, so now we know who is profiting or plans to profit from America's polarization about gun control. Next question: how exactly do they plan to benefit from it? Yes, increased gun sales for the armament industry, which is extremely powerful. But I still think there's something else, some additional reason the owners of the media are promoting this fight.

I wonder what it would do to the balance of power in the world, if America split up into two countries or was engulfed in another civil war. And I wonder who would profit both financially and in terms of gathering political power, from that happening.

Ever notice that you hardly ever hear very much about why someone has done these things? The emphasis is always on the guns...the assault rifles...the large clips...but you never hear about what were the probable reasons behind why these people did what they did. Were they bullied in school? Did they think they were unfairly treated by the teachers? Were they taking psycho-tropic meds? Did they go off their meds? You hardly ever get the reasons behind these people's actions. Now why is that? Maybe Jack Nicholson had the answer in "A Few Good Men"..."you can't handle the truth!"

If we concentrated more on the "why" people do what they do rather than on the sensationalist evil iconography of guns..we might eventually stem all of these shootings. But the problem is that people don't really want to deal with the root causes. To analyze them. To modify our own behaviors that have become systemic in lock step with the "I've got mine so screw you" mentality. Just keep shopping!

That leads to emanating an aura of hatred and dog-eat-dog distrust and lots of stress. It's stress and mental anguish that has led to the 349 deaths last year of those veterans who committed suicide. They had pain (mental or physical) they couldn't stand any longer and just wanted it to stop.

Our actions as a country, in letting the politicians and the military might, run roughshod over us...over our self image of ourselves, drawing us into and abetting, as partners in crime, and as prisoners of the ruling elite have turned us all into monsters that refuse to look at the truth.

The easy path is to blame these things on inanimate objects...like guns. The politicians, now, are doing what they always do, those iniquitous little pathetic bugs that they are...playing mind games with us. Some feel like they are in the hot seat and they have to come up with something that will quiet the restless natives. Others are using is as a way to win hearts and minds of the gullible. They'll do as they've always done...make ridiculous laws that are ineffective and won't solve a thing....just complicate matters and take away more of our freedoms and liberties.

Can you clarify your point, Old Blue? My excellent point was about the civil liberties lost after 911 and Bush/Cheney.

Quote papachuck111: "The United States and any US President are the biggest gun/weapons dealers on the planet. Until this culture of fear and violence can come to grips with the fear and war mongering government and military/industrial complex, the NRA and all the weapons manufacturers they lobby for, NOTHING will stop the senseless murders and carnage."
"WE" murder innocent people in foreign countries constantly behind the facade of freedom and righteousness! The horrendous Iraq invasion and occupation that killed countless civilians based on lies and deception is sinking down the memory hole while war criminal leaders like Bush and Cheney walk free with priviledge and wealth. The sickness and carnage we infect and subject the rest of the world with is blowing back on us with a vengeance. "

Right on, papachuck111...I totally agree!!!

Megalomaniac, I think the system has been corrupted in the last few decades.

Today's universities have been changed to mimic corporations -- complete with CEOs at the healm instead of educators!

Profit, not education, is the new plan.

I agree with a lot of the Liberals on their ideas. But on gun control, I bow out. Take away all my guns, and only the goverment and bad guys have the power to do as they will. (Maybe the gov. and the bad guys are one and the same.) This only happens when something radically bad happens. Follow the money, I was taught years ago. Who benefits?????

With over 300 million people in the US - you are sure to find a nut case or two. The rest of us should not be held acountable because of their actions. Put everybody back to work - bring our manufacturing base back and get middle class jobs back from Communist China, this is what we should be focusing on. The more notoriety you give a nut case, just inspires the boarder line cases. Get your kids off the violent video games, is a good start. Go out - play ball, ride your bicycle, do something other then playing war games on the computer.