You are quite correct on all counts, UD. But since it is Columbus Day, let's give that guy his due. Yes, Columbus, was not exclusively culpable for very bad treatment of his fellow man. Columbus and his merry rapists and sadists constantly played the 'holier than thou, while getting their jollies' cards which was not much different than many other groups of people across the history of the world. They all smugly deluded themselves with their religions and superstitions (many of us think those are redundant terms) which allowed them to kill, rape, and maim because their god wanted them to....or at least sanctified it. And if that isn't a characteristic of insanity, I don't know what is! There is a little bit of Torquemada in all who smugly believe their gods to be truth and all others to be destined for hell. The "believers" continue to overlook the atrocities of their predecessors, dismissing them as mere peccadillos or trying to steer condemnation to some other group.

We incorrectly tend to attribute evil or praise upon focal points rather than spread it out among those most deserving. Hitler didn't act alone, nor did Torquemada...and neither did Bush or Obama yet they all get the attention and labels be it War Criminals, or Murdering Religious Zealot (although Bush may possibly deserve both labels).

The fact that American Indian tribes, or Incas, or Aztecs, or Aftrican tribes were all killing each other or selling each other into slavery, themselves, is not a good excuse for why Columbus, the Conquistidors, or White Plantation owners shouldn't have been justified in their own criminal actions against those people.

Many people tend to accept a limited and sanitized history because to look too carefully they would see a bit of hypocrisy in their beliefs. For instance, the holocaust was a horrible thing but the Jews set up their own holocaust against the Germans in Poland after the Russians crushed the Nazis in Poland. The Jews set up their own concentration camps and beat, raped, tortured, and murdered many 10s of thousands of suspected Nazis or Nazi collaborators. Read "An Eye For An Eye" by John Sack. And the Jews continue a kind of genocide during their occupation of Palestine against the Palestinians.

The Japanese would not even mention in their schools what they had done to the Chinese just prior to WWII. American schools would never mention many of the things in history about the shameful acts of white Europeans who themselves had escaped cruelty from Europe. They would never mention the Trail of Tears nor tell the real story behind the Mexican wars in Texas. Everything was propaganda to make us feel holier and more civilized than everyone else. Can go on and on about the many examples that could be mentioned. But I digress.....

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You make a great argument for the ugly constant I mentioned! Why with all of our knowledge of history do we let the inhumanity repeat itself over and over in order to appease a few mega-rich sociopaths?

I =never= in my life would have believed I'd be writing the following, =especially= here, on Mr. Hartmann's site .. but after reading all of the above and more elsewhere, I'm so damn sick and disgusted I simply can't remain silent any longer.

Once again, I'm reading that =ALL= of the ills in the world, bar none, are the direct responsibility of =THE= most Evil of all Evil creatures: white European males. One of the things I 'do', simply because I enjoy it, is read history, both the "official" versions and the versions that start to turn up as the results of archaeological digs, decipherment of discovered 'new' texts, etc, etc. I read nearly all of it .. but have no use whatsoever for "revisionist" faux-history, or "denial" not-history, not even as bird-cage liner.

Yes, people have not been very 'nice' to each other, from pre-history straight through to today. But don't even try to say it's all the fault of this one group or another! The Native Americans/AmerInds/First Peoples/whatever the current PC term is, they were all 'at one with nature' and their 'wars' were more like giant, ritualized "games", huh? How many examples of attempted =genocide= (tribalcide??) will it take for y'all to admit the previous sentence is 'not exactly accurate'?! And it wasn't just 'once or twice', either! // Pull your heads out of your .. 'sands'.

"Anti-semitism" is a bad thing? Yeah, it sure is .. but both the Jews and the Arabs are "Semites"! So, who, or what, are you =really= squacking about, hmmm? And don't even think of playing the 'religion' card? Be honest - presuming you're still capable of and willing to do it - about this: look at the Old Testament and tell me it isn't lousy with examples of deliberate genocides, of massacres of every man, woman and child, etc, etc, and other 'godly practices' that we would find sickeningly abhorent today?! It's not "those evil Jews", either. They weren't doing a thing that almost every other 'tribe' wasn't doing. Slavery? What's your problem -- it's the 'natural order of things'. Smash, grab, and burn? Hey, cool, look what I've got (now). // Again, pull your heads out of your .. 'sands'.

Followers of the "Prince of Peace", the good and gentle "Christians"? Well, for starters, most of them - like, over 95% of them - aren't followers of "Christ", at all. At best you could call them followers of =PAUL=, who wrote letters and worked so very hard to set up an organized and institutionalized religion that, frankly, had very little to do with what "Christ" actually preached and taught!! // Again, pull your heads out of your .. 'sands'.

Oh, and not just those idiot peoples in the various parts of 'The Great Sand Box'. Look at what the 'wimpy socialist Scandinavians' (a.k.a. - the vikings) used to do with anyone they thought for a second was weaker than they were .. and just happened to have something they wanted! Or how about the enlightened, let's-all-sit-around-and-chant-"OM" peoples of South Asia - a.k.a. the "real" Indians. They =institutionalized= human degradation and victimization! Or maybe the 'Greatest/Oldest/Longest Continuing Civilization', the Chinese. Women have never been anything but chattel, and not very valuable 'chattel' at that. For all their facade of civilization and laws and philosophies, they are perfect examples, to this very day, of "I can do anything I want, steal anything I want, because might makes right .. and I bet you can't outrun this arrow if you don't like it." They blatantly =stole= an entire country, are doing their best to destroy the culture, and are doing their best to B.S. the rest of the world into accepting the outright =lie= that the country they stole "has always been a part of China", even though their own historical records =prove= that to be a lie. Slavery of the 'black' man is such a terrible thing and the 'white' man will never be able to repay the social injustice they caused, right? Who do you think raided, captured, enslaved, and sold other 'black' people to the 'white' traders?!

Yeah, sure, I could go on and on and on, covering every single group/race/whatever of people on Earth .. but if you haven't gotten the point by now, you're =deliberately= sticking your head in the sand and had no intention of being open or honest, from the very beginning.

So, was Columbus a "psychopath", or was he simply a man of his times and culture? Before you say 'yes' or 'no', think about what had very recently happened in Spain at that time. In Muslim Spain, it didn't matter what your religion was, as long as you paid your taxes. In the 'new', so-called "Christian" Spain, it didn't matter if you paid your taxes as much as what your religion was: 'meet Mr. Torquemada - he has a couple of questions for you.....!

Also, if Columbus was a psychopath, what were the priests on the mainland, who ordered their warriors to go out and capture others so they could have their still beating hearts ripped out of them and tossed in the fires? Oh, that was different -- that was just "religion".....

=Enough= already! The unthinking hypocrisy here makes me sick! Of =course= genocide is sickening! And you're picking up the first stone .. why, again?

We need to continue to expose Columbus for what he really was and ask ourselves if this is the kind of human being we want to celebrate. Columbus day has got to go, and just as with unthinking conservatives, evolution will eventually take care of it, and all of our historical deceptions. Anyway, I say we have a "Founding Fathers" day instead and celebrate the miracle of the minds that were able to hand us a living constitution- a blueprint for the growth of humanity.

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