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Harry
It seems to be a lost cause. There is no way we can compete with the corporations to change public financing, break up the corporations, ect. The whole system is broken. We have lost our republic.
The corporations now own our country. Greed wins! Humanity looses.
The only thing left for society to do is to shame the sociopaths into better behavior.
@Drichards: we can't get real change 'til we get public campaign financing.that would solve many problems. break up the corporate controlled media, more open ballot access, ending the 2 party monopoly. sounds easy, huh
Harry
So how do we get real change if the democrats know you will vote for them regardless?
the fly in the ointment is the judicial appointments. thom is right we have to have a democrat making the nominations
Re: Very Little if any difference
OK, so tell me again what the actual difference is between the republican and the democratic party is.
There has to be a better solution that just voting for the lessor of the two evils (Democrat).
We keep doing the same old same old and expecting different results.
Very little if any difference. DLC = DemonCrats Loving Corporations.
Senator Lincoln (D-Wal-Mart)
Senator Dodd (D-Banking Industry)
Senator Baucus (D-Corporate America)
Drichard: re positions: DLC's position: missionary: GOP:: doggie style: both "passive"
@THOM: I want a Democrat in the White House now . . . not just in 2012.
rladlot
Re: On corporations, President Obama is largely DLC.
Can you explain to me the difference between the the DLC's position regarding corporations, and the position regarding corporations by the Republican party?
Thanks
GO, FLYERS!!
@DRichards: The last iteration of the conversation was about Bill Press referring to Obama as BushIII and Thom responded that we voted for FDR and got Bill Clinton . . . To which I wrote:
THOM! I believe you are incorrect. We did not vote for FDR and get Clinton:
On human rights, President Obama is truly GWBush-lite. On taxes and regulation, President Obama is the bastard love child of Reagan and Clinton. On corporations, President Obama is largely DLC.
Re: Show up at your local Democratic party
I've been told to vote for the lesser of the two evils and vote democrat for the past 25 years.
I have grown weary of the same old same old.
I think Obama definitely different than Bush but the Senate is enforcing the bland sameness of NO - the possible is the enemy of the good - the perfect is NOT the enemy of the good.
@Drichard re:#48: I agree..did I say something to make you think otherwise?
@LeMoyne: I would vote for Alan Grayson & Anthony Weiner quicker than a heartbeat . . .
Harry
If my memory serves me correctly, Thom said to the caller that Obama is not the same as Bush, and used the example of Obama pulling out the troops from Iraq.
I tend to agree with the caller who said that Obama's policies were pretty much a continuation of Bush's policies.
Flashback to yesterday with Carl & Christine:
I know I did not log in yesterday to say so BUT the segments with Dr. Riki Ott, the marine toxicologist, were brilliant. Props to all three of them.
Mysterious Floating Head - I think Obama will actually go left or see a primary challenge in 2012.
pass the rolaids...
@gerald: Of course, the DEMs have better leaders than Barack Obama. We can file that under “No, duh.” I have two observations to send back:
1. President Obama and the DLCers purged the Democrats from the DNC Party apparatus ten minutes after the election when they unceremoniously showed Governor/Doctor Dean the door.
2. History telling us that primary challenges to sitting Presidents result in the alternate party winning . . . (And a wishy-washy, mediocre, just-right-of-center is better any and every day than a jack-booted thug.)
We will dance with what we got and love it OR the slow-burn in our guts will eat us up.
@Drichards, we're not OUT of Iraq. we're just out of sight. we still occcupy 18 bases.
Obama not the same as Bush?
Obama moving us out of Iraq, and into Afghanistan, and so the U.S. empire continues.
Granted Obama is more affable, but beyond the rhetoric, the actual polices are pretty much the same.
@rladlof, I believe that the Democrats have better leaders than Obama. Obama is the Grand Experiment that failed. People are beginning to believe that Obama jump into a water too deep for him. If our dead dog ran as a Democrat in 2008, she could have beaten McCain/Palin.
Re: The cost of war
The cost of the U.S. global empire should be paid for by the corporations whom it benefits, and not be put on the credit card to be paid for by taxing the general population.
Amy Goodman spoke with Clint Guidry, president of the Louisiana Shrimp Association yesterday. Mr. Guidry said he knew the dangers of crude oil and its VOC (volatile organic chemicals) from past supervisory experience in a refinery so Mr. Guidry bought respirators for friends and neighbors doing cleanup work and they reported back to him that: BP ordered that the cleanup workers remove the respirators or they would be fired. The bastids!
Of course, Mr. Guidry also reports that the hospitalized clean-up workers have chemical poisoning symptoms. And there is the point that there are certainly others who got sick but didn't go to hospital - some of this cleanup is being done as day labor - I Guess the cleanup workers generally have no health benefits.