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The Spartans at Thermopylaw were gay ...
...or, technically, bisexual.
So the entire foundation of Graeco-Roman Civilization exists because of Gays In The Military.
(although, to be fair, Greek historians might have exagerrated a little ... they were men after all... ;-)
@maxrot
the last I heard, PGE was worried they were not doing well, that's why they planned to spend another 10-15 million more. I do not know any exact numbers or percentages on the vote. but just the thought that they could even initiate and fund such a sleezy proposition is disturbing. and if they win, any contract that a city negotiates in order to provide cheaper electric service than PG & E would have to be approved by 2/3 of the voters to be approved. absurd.
Yesterday in Arizona, Another Prison Riot
www.pahrumplife.org writes: At 3:00 a.m. today a source told me.
"Just to let you know, there was a riot today in Kingman in the new Cerbat unit."
"I'll let you know if I hear any significant details. I hear it was whites and blacks."
The film below is from another MTC race riot, six years ago, when white and Hispanic prisoners broke into a kitchen cabinet and took cleavers, knives, meat forks, etc., and attacked African Americans at Eagle Mountain, California. They can be seen on the video beating one prisoner to death with 2x4s. All but one of the guards ran away, unwilling to risk injury or their lives for $8 an hour.
The prison closed forever nine weeks later.
Eight inmates were later convicted of the murders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce3uXbZqKW8
The heirs of the inmates sued MTC and the California Department of Corrections and collected about $550,000.
The eight inmates identified as assailants were short termers who were all convicted of murder. The killers had all been identified by their specific street gang affiliations on the front pages of their files, but when questioned in depositions, the MTC chief of security claimed he didn't know anything about gangs in the prison.
The riot control equipment all had been locked away in the armory, and no one had the key so they couldn't use tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.
The riot only ended when the facility finally called the California DOC and an officer came up to the prison, borrowed a gun and fired a single shot in the ground. You can see on the video that the riot then came to an almost instant halt.
I can't find any reference to Monday's riot on the wires and the dispatcher at the Mojave County Sheriff's Department in Kingman refuses to confirm the riot and forwarded me to the Department spokesperson's voice mail.
Oops. I just found this on prison talk. It confirms my source's story:
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5431493
"Sorry I had to make it a very short post but I have my grandson with me today. I had to send him to do something else cause I don't want him to know. So here's the scoop. Son called at 2:10pm today. Said mom there is a riot at the prison. He sounded out of breath. He said it was whites against the blacks. All the guards ran out the gate and left all the inmates to fight. He said it just ended and that he was ok and he called to let me know so I didn't worry. He said it will more than likely be on the news tonight. He said I don't have much time to talk, he said the phones will likely be turned off. He said he would call me in a couple of days or when he could.
I just want my son home. I don't know how much more I can take...."
And a second post:
I have been calling and they don't have it under control yet? Anyone have any information?
And a third:
Cerbat Unit - I got word that the riot was between the blacks and whites. Some altercation began between the two. For what I dont have the information. They blacks were out numbered. Tear gas didn't work and windows were broken. Thats about all I know. I called to Kingman to speak to a Sgt. however, I was told that everyone is still out on the yard and trying to get it under control. Took my name and number to call back at a later time.
A fourth:
A friend of mine just texted me and said she was kicked out of visitation early today because of the riot. If I get any additional information, I will post it here.
@babasaurus, you wouldn't happen to have poll numbers on Prop 16 would you? I'm curious as to how the people are thinking about it. In truth I haven't seen any bumper stickers or yard signs for or against it, and sometimes that tells me more than all the TV and Radio ads I hear.
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hey, anybody hear on Fox (just a few minutes ago), the Israel/Pakistan issue was created by Obama.
no real explanation why, but it's all his fault.
~jerry
Thom, we could use your help in our upcoming election in California.
Proposition 16 is a real David versus Goliath type situation. This is a proposition funded almost entirely by Pacific Gas and Electric company, perversely presented as the "taxpayers right to vote act". It seeks to require voter approval before local city governments can negotiate electric power contracts with municipal utilities.
Municipal utilities typically provide a 15-30% cost savings to their customers, in part because they do not pay dividends like PG & E, and also due to reduced executive compensation. But prop 16 would require a two thirds majority in order to approve these new contracts.
PG & E has spent $38 million on their campaign and plan to dump 10-15 million more. They have saturated the airways with slick TV and radio ads, full page newspaper ads and multiple mail flyers. They are trying to feed on the anti government sentiment asking: "shouldn't you have the right to vote before elected officials spend your money by entering the electric power business?" and "Politicians want to spend YOUR money to take over the electric service...and they don't want to let you vote on it." of course they don't mention that the politicians are saving the voters money by negotiating cheaper electric power contracts. This is the classic case of those in power spending money to convince citizens to vote against their own interests.
There is no organized opposition, as no local government has the funding to sponsor even one major TV ad. If passed, this would essentially guarantee PG & E can hold onto their monopoly in California. And it may provide a blueprint for other "citizens united" type campaigns to follow.
could you help us out here by giving a shout out to all your listeners in California? Vote NO on prop 16 in the upcoming election on June 8th!!
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@harry, there you go, here have another Rum and Coke. Really helps to adjust one's point of view, just be careful, can make you extremely agitated and violent if you go to far.
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@maxrot...i never realized how cute you are!
@harry, obviously you don't partake of Rum like I do ;-)
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Beer bellies and beer goggles; made for each other
re: #21: alcohol can only dull the senses so much. Maybe it can compensate for a few extra pounds, but not for mounds of cellulite...
@harry, since when has attraction been a limiter, what do you think alcohol is for anyway? Why do you think people often have a bottle of wine with dinner on a date... to dull our inhibitions, duh.
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re: homosexuality: considering the blooming obesity rate, in another few years, nobody will be attracted to anybody.
@maxrot: yer nuts if ya do!
@harry, I doubt it does, but how do you know that? ... and do I really want an answer to that question?
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re: #13: Hitler had only 1 testicle, if that means anything.
I'm troubled by the implication that democracy's instrument (even democracy's defense) is an institution with an explicit hierarchy, or chain of command. If democracy is udderly dependent a localized (?) absense of democracy, then democracy is a flawed concept.
@LeMoyne - OK, so if we take BP out of the cleanup picture, who do we turn to? Halliburton??!!
This is the deepest well anyone has ever tried to plug before. Nobody in Government has sufficient background in this field to have a clue regarding how to handle this. Hell, even the people in the industry, who are SUPPOSED to know what to do seem to be making it up as they go along.
What we have here is a problem of a sort that has never been addressed before - it's not like a leaking tanker, it's not like a surface well or a well in shallow water. It's a whole different beast.
Mind you, I'm not on BP's "side" here - assuming there are sides to be taken, list me alongside the shrimp fishermen, and the others who live near, and make their living from, the Gulf. BP's execs are absolutely a bunch of hypocritical A-holes, but we NEED their expertise (or, more correctly, the expertise of their Engineers) to fix this. Shaking our collective fists at them will have no more beneficial effect than wringing our collective hands. We are in the sorry position of NEEDING the ones who made the mess to figure out how clean it up.
Perhaps we'd all be better off, however, if they'd at least LISTEN to some suggestions from outside their corporate bubble, which they've been completely resistant to, thus far.
The military is an instrument of our Democracy?
I understand that it is supposed to be that way... It seems to me that our military is an instrument of the corporations. Most of the wars & police actions are not about defending and protecting personal freedoms, they are about protecting & defending the corporations.
re: Bryan Fischer claiming Thom couldn't prove that his organization was being paid by the American people. What Thom did prove, apparently, that Mr Fischer doesn't understand how taxation works, or that corporations do have a responsibility to pay them.
By the way, there is no evidence that Hitler was or wasn't gay (or straight), there just isn't (if there was, Hitler made sure that the evidence was destroyed, as he did with much of his personal history). Though there is a lot of circumstantial evidence he had some sort of major sexual hang up, but what exactly it was, we'll never know. That would have to had been done between Hitler and his psychiatrist.
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How much weight does precedent carry in Chinese law?
Thom - I love ya man but your interview with the American Facist Association didn't work as a model.
Perhaps in conversation you always need to give a rat a way out of the corner; otherwise he does as Brian did, and just sit there smiling at you.
"Does the ACLU advocate hating anyone?" came to mind as Brian threw the ACLU at you. I would make a principled distinction between hate groups and rights groups.
It might also have helped to be more concrete with the "pay your taxes" stuff. The AFA has police, fire and court protections but it pays for none of it. Ask Brian whose taxes pay for the military which he wishes to purge. When your corporation sells a book, a fraction of the money goes to pay for the court system that protects your copyright, but when the AFA sells a book, it does not chip in.
Just some thoughts. You're usually the best.
re:#7:somalia, ho!!
Holy flurking schnitt!!! China is becoming more progressive than America!?!?!? Actually making evidence gained through torture inadmissible in court. Positively amazing.
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