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You often bring up the idea of a coagulant with regards to the oil spill. I teach Chemistry at a couple of the local community colleges (PDX area) ... and have no idea what one would use for a coagulant. (Now, a dispersant? That's easy.) The one hit I had on a search for an oil coagulant on the internet yielded only something made out of linseed oil that would be useless on this scale. Any references? I can easily tell if they make sense scientifically.
Oh yeah, hydrophobic (lippophillic) forces are MUCH weaker than those holding water together.
Also, any references for the undersea plume and them resulting from dispersants? I haven't seen any, but that doesn't mean they don't exist; final exams are next week....and then time to do a bit of searching. At first glance, density comparisons don't seem right.
Dispersants are supposed to break oil up into very small fragments, on the size of colloidal dispersions. Bacteria should be able to break these down. That's the theory, anyways., Effects on those not exposed to concentrated solutions would depend on dosage and time period, of course.
Now this on now guy talking about benzene in the rain and lightning ... he doesn't make any sense at all.
Regards,
JJ
A Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-Wal-Mart) ad I can get behind:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/anti-lincoln-ad-attacks-big-oil-blanche-video.php
Eric Holder’s DoJ carries the Baby Bush Administration’s water yet again:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/bush_era_us_attorney_cleared_of_wrongdoing.php
I think we can agree that the Dittoheads who listen to and agree with El Rushbo have all had "Limbaughtomies."
By the way, what's the latest estimate on oil spewing from the pipe now? Obviously they have succeed in increasing the flow, so how much more flow is there?
N
BP just hired Dark Sith Lord Cheney’s Press Secretary . . .
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/bp_hires_former_dick_cheney_spox_to_run_pr_ops.php
Leaving this oil to leak for two years is an impractical conspiracy theory. After about six months or so, whether or not its still going, the public will tire of the story and stop paying attention. Besides, if its going on that long, the oil companies get weaker and weaker on their position. Case in point, what's the latest you've heard about Tea Partiers?
N
Dan Gainor mentions only the oil companies are “in this together” . . . while spewing talking points that are largely FALSE or off topic. Listen to what he is actually saying. It sounds as if Gainor is emotionally stressed. Is it just my listening or has Dan gone screechy? The being faced with the catastrophic failure of one personal philosophy can be stressful . . .
Oh . . . Yeah . . . Sorry. Now for the disclaimer: I am sure that Dan Gainor is a good person and kind to animals . . . Although, perhaps, only by mistake . . . Because as a strict Libertarian living in collection of individuals, the feelings and thoughts of other apparently animated human shaped beings are totally superfluous to the only human that exists in his reckoning . . . himself.
@Nels,
I think the correct word is, "Emulsify." Or to create an "Emulsion."
OH give me an f'n break Mr. Gainor, if Bush & Dick were in charge right now, they would be colluding with BP to cover up everything. Media outlets wouldn't be able to get within 50 miles of the coast let alone seeing the oil on the water. Just like they put a media black out on Galveston when a hurricane wreaked havoc there.
What an unbelievable statement.
N
Too big to be held accountable.
This has to end, for all parties that can be said about (especially political hacks).
N
re: Aerosol word equivalent for underwater, Atomizing comes to mind (at least its a far more ominous word to use, word associates with Atomic Bomb).
Sounds scary to me, "THEY'RE ATOMIZING THE OIL IN THE GULF" just sounds volatile saying it out loud.
N
THOM:
While I agree that we do not need a Conserva-DEM in the White House, President Barak Obama IS a Conserva-DEM.
Rahm is only a symptom of the issue . . . It is like losing a leg to gangrene and complaining that your toe nails are turning blue.
We are both predator and prey.
I do not feel sorry for BP. I feel sorry for all the people whose livelihood is shattered and for all the dead animal and plant life.
I hope that God will welcome me into heaven. If I am in heaven, I will look down upon our nation with a heavy heart. Can heaven really be a happy place with all the pain and suffering that I will witness for the United States of Hell and for all of the other countries?
Although I'm completely disgusted with BP, I'm almost feeling sorry for them. The failure of their dome, was sort of strange, the insertion tube just couldn't be taken seriously any way, but the saw binding on them halfway through the pipe cut, that's just sad.
I'm still wondering why, if they want to cap the pipe that close to the pipe flange coupling, they didn't try to unbolt (or cut) the bolts first then bolt their new assembly to the existing flange.
Just seems to be a logical way to make the connection.
N
Tom Engelhardt mentioned two books that will be out in the fall. Andrew Bacevich and Chalmers Johnson have written these books. We have brilliant minds who can resolve our problems but who is listening and reading about the great ideas and books? We seem to be a nation filled with dunces and stupidity.
Dear Thom Blog Listeners,
For all of Thom’s listeners today is graduation day. I have invited Tom Engelhardt to give the commencement speech. I hope that his speech will be as enlightening as Thom’s radio shows. I had a preliminary opportunity to read his speech and he truly hits a home run out of the park.
Please enjoy reading his speech!
http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2010/06/01/living-in-the-51st-state-of-denial/
http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2010/06/01/living-in-the-51st-state-of-denial/
From a can-do nation to a can't-do nation!!!
@pursuitofhappiness, you make a compelling and a provocative case for Gore as president. Although I would have preferred Gore over Bush, it seems that the presidency changes people. Once in office the president has to take orders from the Shadow Government in the United States of Hell.
How is the Gulf Oil spill, the State of Florida and Al Gore related? The answer is not global warming, the answer is the 2000 Presidential election and the theft of the American presidency by George W. Bush and the U.S. Supreme Court (and the Republican Party in the State of Florida). If Al Gore was elected President in 2000, there would have been no secret Dick Cheney energy meetings or watering down of environmental/gas exploration regulations. As an environmental advocate, a President Gore would have stood for stricter regulations and oversight on oil and gas exploration in the Gulf of Mexico and elsewhere minimizing the likelihood of a catastrophe like the Deepwater Horizon disaster. Unfortunately for the (Republicans and others in the) State of Florida, which is now in the pathway of the giant oil plumes, the chickens have come home to roost. Maybe the Florida Republicans have saved some of those dimpled chads to soak up all the oil coming their way.
How is the Gulf OIl spill, the State of Florida and Al Gore related? The answer is not global warming, the answer is the 2000 Presidential election and the theft of the American presidency by George W. Bush and the U.S. Supreme Court (and the Repbilcan Party in the State of Florida). If Al Gore was elected President in 2000, there would have been no secret Dick Cheney energy meetings or watering down of environmental/gas exploration regulations. As an environmental advocate, a President Gore would have stood for stricter regulations and oversight on oil and gas exploration in the Gulf of Mexico and elsewhere minimizing the likelihood of a catastrophy like the Deepwater Horizon disaster. Unfortunately for the (Republicans and others in the) State of Florida, which is now in the pathway of the giant oil plumes, the chickens have come home to roost. Maybe the Florida Republicans have saved some of those dimpled chads to soak up all the oil coming their way.
Bobby Jindal and his goose-stepping Republican morons are dunces.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100601/OPINION05/6010315/
With all the discussion on Ed's show about 99er's, I have been wondering to myself why crime has not shot through the roof.
"According to data from the Department of Labor at the end of the week, 19,400 people will stop getting help, and by the end of the following week, this number will climb to 323,400. The following week is 903,000 and by the end of the month, 1.2 million."
Well, there is my answer. And here it comes.
It is a sad day in our nation when we have conservatives calling people lazy who have worked for decades, contributed taxes and unemployment benefits during that time, and have proven they are more than willing to participated in the day in and day out of stagnant wages, dead end jobs, and small prospects for the future.
Thank you for your efforts to our economy and our society for the last decades, but after 99 weeks, we have to cut you off?