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The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania where my alleged birth happened . . . Did not automatically issue birth certificates in 1962. I have a Notification of birth from the hospital in New Brighton, PA. I have official Birth Certificates from Beaver County obtained in 1982 and in 2004 so I could get my Passport.
The problem is that birth certificates are not actually proof of citizenship. They are documents declaring that the person identified by the document is eligible for citizenship due to being squatted out on USAian dirt. A lot can happen in the intervening years between birth and a mook being called out as an illegal alien. The person may have denounced his/her citizenship. The same goes for farging driver’s licenses. By this standard, I should be able to submit my gas or electric bill as proof of citizenship.
Passports are actual documents issued by the actual Federal government specifically designed to certify actual citizenship. As ACTUAL citizenship is required to gain a voter’s registration card, voter registration cards should be sufficient proof of citizenship.
@Zenzane,
I've long been talking about the Drug War Exception to the 4th Amendment. Some of us are awake, but thanks for the gentle knock on the head.
@Maxrot: re training his ass: -by listening to FaUX.
Thom's current guest (Matthew Brouillette) amazes me, how did he train his ass to verbalize so well?
N
I wonder what color the car is they're shooting up?
Decision Points!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/George-W-Bush-s-Decision-P-by-Allen-L-Roland-100428-562.html
@Zane, sadly, you're right. i think we lost "probable cause' during nixons drug war.
"Some Pieces Of Rock Hudson Sold At Auction" - headline from leftwingwacko.com
Nobody has commented on the James Risen subpeana post...so I'll try again to pique some response...
...Remember when Judith Miller was imprisoned for protecting her sources? Let's, for a moment, compare and contrast the difference between Mr. Risen's attempt to inform the American Public about what the National Security State is up to, and Ms. Miller's attempt to fan the flames of conflict as regards Iraqi (non-existant) WMD. Such a comparison is necessary, no?
ps - I'd PROUDLY burn GWB in effigy, but I'd sooner just see him brought to the bar of justice.
Endless Bias!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/National-Public-Radio-s-Pr-by-Stephen-Lendman-100429-508.html
Thom, I think you could say these promoters that are shooting up cars, are employing subliminal messages.
I used to live next to Tomball.
Wanna know what the people are like in that area? Here's a news story from neighboring Conroe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUq2d2OFRkk
Hey friends, wake up! The Fourth Amendment is long gone, BEFORE George Bush was ever elected. Let me explain briefly. If you are driving down the street in your car, you, theorhetically, have the right to be left alone by the police, unless they have a reasonable suspicion that you have violoated the law in some way. Let's say you're speeding. Then the officer has the authority to pull you over. If you are obeying all the laws then a police officer has no business stopping you. The stop is called a "detention." Along comes the DUI check points. Suddenly, it's legal to stop [detain] citizens with out any legal cause to ask for their driver's license and determine if they have been drinking. Good bye Fourth Amendment. The tragedy is, they don't catch more drunk drivers this way. It takes a lot of officers to run one of these stupid check points and even the cases that have authorized this procedure have acknowledged that more drunk drivers would be apprehended if these officers were out patroling in individual vehicles. The case in California is: Ingersol v. Palmer, 43 Cal.3rd 1321, 1987. Note the date. That's when the Fourth Amendment went away and almost NO ONE noticed. Zane
re; Tomball, Texas has a history of KKK activity.
"War Dims Hope For Peace" - headline from leftwingwacko.com
ps shooting guns as political protest; I see it all the time in celebration; dont remember it as protest.(unless you're shooting AT somebody.)
Coulda, Shoulda, Wouldn’tveWhat Disasters Are We Creating Now?
by Ted Rall
@Gene, great movie if you like independent films and Tim Roth. I won't bother summarizing it, check it out on Google if you're interested.
N
@Gene that would be unsavory.
Haven't seen that one. I need to write a book about my family, but might be hard to convince anyone that it's non-fiction.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10118/1053798-192.stm
I agree that Arizona's immigration law is also an attempt to keep whitey in the majority forever in the United States of Hell. The goose-stepping conservatives are frightened shitless with the thought that whitey is really a minority by 2020 but definitely by 2025 in the United States of Hell.
Gene, every see the movie the "Legend of 1900". Considering your dads' story, you'd probably get a kick out of it.
N
@Zero G, I read a similar article (perhaps the same). There is one silver lining to this accident, when the chorus of "Drill, Baby Drill" goes up, it can be countered "Spill, Baby Kill", or in other words, the expansion of oil drilling just got tougher for their side. Probably why I'm not catching much about it in the Lame stream Media, that just so fricken left wing.
N
My father was born at sea.
He was coming from France to the US in 1916 abord the SS Mauritania (sister ship to the Lusitania). The captain asked grandpa where he should be born, and grandpa said,"New York, of course."
Dad had some problems getting into the US Navy in WWII because of the birth certificate issued by a ship's captain.
Dave has a duplicate from KY and I have the original from NE. Thanks to my Mom
Mena
@rladlof On Mother's Day:Mother's Day Proclamation of 1870
Mother's Peace Day
The first person to fight for an official Mother's Day celebration in the United States was Julia Ward Howe.
Howe was born in New York City on May 27, 1819. Her family was well respected and wealthy. She was a published poet and abolitionist. She and her husband, Samuel Gridley Howe, co-published the anti-slavery newspaper The Commonwealth. She was active in the peace movement and the women's suffrage movement. In 1870 she penned the Mother's Day Proclamation. In 1872 the Mothers' Peace Day Observance on the second Sunday in June was held and the meetings continued for several years. Her idea was widely accepted, but she was never able to get the day recognized as an official holiday. The Mothers' Peace Day was the beginning of the Mothers' Day holiday in the United States now celebrated in May.
The modern commercialized celebration of gifts, flowers and candy bears little resemblance to Howe's original idea. Here is the Proclamation that explains, in her own powerful words, the goals of the original Mother's Day in the United States...
Arise then...women of this day!
Arise, all women who have hearts!
Whether your baptism be of water or of tears!
Say firmly:
"We will not have questions answered by irrelevant agencies,
Our husbands will not come to us, reeking with carnage,
For caresses and applause.
Our sons shall not be taken from us to unlearn
All that we have been able to teach them of charity, mercy and patience.
We, the women of one country,
Will be too tender of those of another country
To allow our sons to be trained to injure theirs."
From the bosum of a devastated Earth a voice goes up with
Our own. It says: "Disarm! Disarm!
The sword of murder is not the balance of justice."
Blood does not wipe our dishonor,
Nor violence indicate possession.
As men have often forsaken the plough and the anvil at the summons of war,
Let women now leave all that may be left of home
For a great and earnest day of counsel.
Let them meet first, as women, to bewail and commemorate the dead.
Let them solemnly take counsel with each other as to the means
Whereby the great human family can live in peace...
Each bearing after his own time the sacred impress, not of Caesar,
But of God -
In the name of womanhood and humanity, I earnestly ask
That a general congress of women without limit of nationality,
May be appointed and held at someplace deemed most convenient
And the earliest period consistent with its objects,
To promote the alliance of the different nationalities,
The amicable settlement of international questions,
The great and general interests of peace.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if on some distant Mother's Day, the wishes of Julia Ward Howe could be fulfilled and the human race could celebrate a day when, all over the world, no mother would have to mourn the death of her child lost in war or terrorist attacks...
To all of the mothers whose children are fighting in wars - and to mothers whose children are growing up with wars raging around them or with terrorism threatening their safety... Wishes of strength, peace and hope for this Mother's Day...
@harry_ashburn - funny thing about birth certificates .... if *I* were running an illegal immigrant smuggling operation, printing fake certificates would be easy. The only hard part is getting a seal embosser and that's not hard at all.
Here's one for Glenn Beck: http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/fd4668fba0bc80ae20df789277ad1b13.jpg
Behind the Arizona Immigration Law:
GOP Game to Swipe the November Election
Our investigation in Arizona discovered the real intent of the show-me-your-papers law.
by Greg Palast for Truthout.org
April 26, 2010
[Phoenix, AZ.] Don't be fooled. The way the media plays the story, it was a wave of racist, anti-immigrant hysteria that moved Arizona Republicans to pass a sick little law, signed last week, requiring every person in the state to carry papers proving they are US citizens.
I don't buy it. Anti-Hispanic hysteria has always been as much a part of Arizona as the Saguaro cactus and excessive air-conditioning.
What's new here is not the politicians' fear of a xenophobic "Teabag" uprising.
What moved GOP Governor Jan Brewer to sign the Soviet-style show-me-your-papers law is the exploding number of legal Hispanics, US citizens all, who are daring to vote -- and daring to vote Democratic by more than two-to-one. Unless this demographic locomotive is halted, Arizona Republicans know their party will soon be electoral toast. Or, if you like, tortillas.