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Wonderland, those highly explosive natural gas pipelines underneath your homes and cities are way past their prime. Many of the aircraft you fly in are way past their prime. Military subs and aircraft carriers and bombers are way past their prime. And so are buildings. So? That's a routine engineering problem. Obviously they are doing a good job because not one nuclear plant has failed due to "way past their prime".
Quit believing in pipe dreams. Without cheap, plentiful energy you will quickly die, and will your children, along with another six billion people on this Earth. You can keep burning coal, oil & gas relentlessly or switch to Nuclear Energy. There is no other choice.
Unbelievable the crap these Big Oil shills like DanneMarc here come up with. The PNAS - proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences of America - actually measured the dosage in fish species caught off of California & Eastern Japan.
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/26/10670.full.pdf
The overwhelming source of Fuku contamination is the radioisotopes Cs-137 and Cs-134. With half lives of 30 yrs and 2 yrs. For seafood sampled off of Japanese east coast avg radioisotope levels peaked at 154 Bq/kg which if consumed at the avg Japanese seafood consumption levels would result in a committed effective dose of 32 uSv per year. Brazil nuts have a natural radiation level of 444 Bq/kg. Bananas 100 Bq/kg.
This compares to the natural dose from mostly Potassium-40 and Polonium-210 found in the seafood of 1340 uSv per year. Note natural background radiation in some areas exceeds 100 thousand uSv per year.
For fish caught off the coast of San Diego California, Fuku Cs isotopes would be 10 Bq/kg vs natural radioactive Potassium-40 of 347 Bq/kg and natural Polonium-210 of 79 Bq/kg. Committed effective dosage of annual avg seafood consumption for an American at that rate would be 0.9 uSv/yr vs that from the natural Potassum-40 and Polonium-210 of 570 uSv/yr. Avg annual radiation exposure in the USA is 6200 uSv/yr. Denver, Colorado is 12400 uSv/yr. A popular beach in Brazil up to 800,000 uSv/yr dosage.
These are the facts not well-paid MSM fear mongering and FUD. Explanation: there is no limit that the Banksters and Oil Barons (the 0.000001 percenters) will go to in order to protect their share of the $100 trillion energy market. Nuclear is their only competition.
there is already a million rules to protect workers already. Before someone is hired they know the wages and benifits if they are not adequate they don't work there or work there until they find something better and leave. As a business owner I can honestly say it is getting harder and harder to run a business everyday. I would not recommend it to anyone.
I don't know about you, but to me an ecosphere and a hemisphere of a planet is a mighty HUGE price to pay for a source of energy. Personally, I'd prefer to provide that source of energy myself, for myself. Yet there will always be the Nuclear shills amongst us who will try to convince us to choose against our best interests.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/29/fukushima-your-days-of-eating-pacific-ocean-fish-are-over/
My Country, Whither Thee?
{Sing to the tune of “… ’tis of thee”}
. . . . .
My country, whither thee?
Lose ye thy liberty
To a fascist Right?
Plutocrats, Islamaphobes,
Racists in shooters’ modes,
Spokesmen with brains of toads; -
- These thy prospects benight.
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Oh! One more thing RunOff. Were you aware the vast majority of nuclear power plants in this country are way past their prime, that many if not most have been inadequately maintained, neglected and deteriorating? What's more, exceeding the forty-year age limit initially stipulated when they were built. Just thought I'd throw that in for posterity. Cheers!
RunOff, you spout a great line against fossil fuel as if nuclear was a real alternative, conveniently ignoring the simple fact that nuclear technology consumes large amounts of fossil fuel. I learned this from Thom, by the way. Like I said in that other thread, Thom is not a scientist by profession; but he’s been a science buff all his life and speaks on science-related topics very articulately. I certainly trust what he has to say on this subject, way more than I trust your pompous diatribes.
As I see it, anyone who poses as “anti-corporate” while defending nuclear power is speaking with forked tongue. You gonna tell us nuclear power isn’t corporate, that it isn’t a privately owned, for-profit monopoly?!! Gimmie a break. Not only that, but a technology so risky that no insurance company has been willing to insure it. And guess who is forced to insure them instead: the TAXPAYERS! I learned that from Thom too.
Why should I trust those fucking numbers you keep spitting out? Like Marc says, you've not identified any sources for that "information".
I googled Hanson, by the way, and frankly I think he’s got his head up his ass. I’ve no use for nuclear shills posing as “environmentalists”, “anti corporate”, or WHATEVER. What's so "green" and "clean" about a technology that leaves radioactive waste no one as yet has figured out how to dispose of safely, that remains toxic for tens of thousands of years?!!!
Just what the hell does it mean when you assert that only ninety deaths per trillion “Whr” (whatever the fuck “Whr” is) have been attributed to nuclear accidents? Does it include only those workers killed right there on the spot, when & where each accident occurred? That figure can’t possibly include all those who worked around the periphery of the Chernobyl disaster site (for example), poisoned by lower doses of radiation resulting in less immediate consequences (i.e. leukemia); or the children and adolescents among the millions living in the contaminated area surrounding the nuclear facility who developed thyroid cancer ten or twenty years after the fact, or the eventual offspring of those children who suffer genetic defects as a direct consequence of nuclear contamination.
I think your numbers are bogus. You’re farting figures into the wind, pal. And you don’t intimidate me with that shit, because that’s all it is, just one big steaming pile of it. So again I ask, why not quit while you’re behind? You’re not persuading anyone here that I can see. The only people who’ve agreed with you (all two of them, in that other thread dated the 6th) weren’t swayed; they’d already bought into this dumb idea of nuclear as a viable “solution” to global warming et cetera, before this discussion even took place.
Got other fish to fry. (Pun intended.)
Cheers! You get to have the last word, RunOff. Happy now? I've had my say, and I'm done arguing with you.
After what capitalism/corporatism/the stock market has done to ruin America, culminating not only with the First Great Depression in the 1930's, but then AGAIN in 2008 as a direct result of the Cheney/Bush abomination's continued building of a "road to hell" on Reagan's corporate deregulation policies, I find it bewildering that some people STILL think our CORPORATE "economy" per se and those who run/ruin them, are more important than We The People who the economy is supposed to serve.
The income inequality in America is disasterous with CEO's and their corporate board members making 200 or more TIMES the average salary of those who work "for them" - "We The Peasants". Bailing corporations out in 2008 was not a permanent solution, it was a band-aid style postponment . In fact, the corporate glut is now even WORSE as corporations are now raking in RECORD BREAKING PROFITS without paying their fair share of taxes. GE is a perfect example of this.
Now, couple that with Bush's unlimited "blank check" spending of We The Peasants tax dollars on his and Cheney's "WMD manufactured war" and there's a pretty good formula for backrupting our Country. Now everyone but the rich is an indentured servant unless they work for themselves. Just what the rich corporateers and stockholders wanted.
Republican's (actually, Corporate bribing of mostly Republicans to become their "lobbyists" in Congress), have turned America from "The Land Of Opportunity" to "The Land Of Corporate Entitlement & Licentiousness". They have turned our forefathers' dreams into a nightmare. We The People now must serve on bended-knee to corporations as they BUY and elect "our" representatives. Citizens are mostly "second-class"....unless you happen to be a rich corporateer. So much for EQUALITY, JUSTICE, and LIBERTY.
Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, and a very small handful of others, seem to be America's last true vestige of hope within our government. Let's hope they prevail. If not for us, then for our children's sake.
The Cities are under the rule of the State they are located in, so the state has a right to protect the poor and underemployed by banning cities from passing Min. Wage laws that are known to hurt the poor, while it may help the children of the rich.. However, I tend to believe that one should let foolish cities do what they want, and learn economics the hard way .... but then that would be mean to let the poor suffer so that the town leaders will get an education.
Saulys, I suggest you re-read chuckles comment. He said every Democrat voted for check-off. Also, read the article. At that time, the Dems had 60 Senators in the Senate. a filabuster proof Senate. The Democrats were forced by their own party to remove check-off from the bill in order to allow the Democrats to vote for it.
Instant-Runoff - Can you provide ANY links to support any of the package of goods that you are selling? As far as I am concerned you are just "Blowing Wind." And, personally, I don't like the toxic smell in that wind...
Maybe it's time to lop a few heads, a la the French Revolution, n'est pas? Maybe I'm only halfway kidding!
I think that it's past time to take to the streets in all States, in sizes greater then the Occupy people ever saw. Might be better if we made sure the military equipment is taken away from law enforcement first, or not. They aren't listening in Washington or anywhere unless it's from demonstrations in large quantity and seriousness. Take it directly to Town Halls as campaigning increases. Ask the real questions of them and make them sweat. Be the media types that current media lacks and demand answers to tough questions. They can't take the heat.
AIW -- Hopefully, Bernie will lead us to the Scandinavian way.
What must go? What would we replace it with?
It's times like these that make me embarrassed to be an American. It's like watching preschoolers fight over a fig newton. We need more "Bernies" in local, state and federal offices.
Rick Snyder is a complete tool for the corporate powers, just like Scott Walker in Wisconsin, Rick Scott in Florida, etc.
As is usual the Republicans are in bed with the corporations and will do anything to please their masters, The time has come for the people to make a stand while we still can, First step Vote , Second step Vote for progressive ideals, The third step is no Fear, Get up stand up for your rights !!!
instant runoff -- Do you have any links or references that compare energy efficiency of the various renewables e.g.. hemp, switchblade grass, sugar beets, corn etc.
Also, Obama certainly talks like a sycophant for nuclear industry also.
Cheerful Clips, the Bible says no such things. Are you sure you aren't some oligarch - or oligarch's lackey - trying to create God in your own image?
Have a nice day.
Only one word is needed with this.....barbaric ! Is true Facism, being shoved down Americans throat.
If the court rules against unions we're all going back to living in a Dickens, Zola or Victor Hugo novel. We're going back to Upton Sinclair's jungle.
CT, Roosevelt was a false god - as are all mortals. He was, in any case, not ALWAYS ahead of his time. His superstitions mustn't be adhered to either.
Many of his concerns were resolved by "no strike" clauses for such services as fire and police departments.
In some Western European states the military is unionized. Seems to work out okay.
The conflation of collective bargaining of public employees' unions with lobbying is absurdly disingenuous and laughable on its face. It's not much different from the last silly assed, infantile little trick of semantics the Retardicans tried with the Obama care case before. Hopefully, the court will show similar sense and integrity this time as then.
Ou812, chuckles said every Republican voted against it, which is accurate. That's the ever present Republican filibuster obstruction to cloture.
Since the Clinton era the RNC had been cutting off campaign funds to Republicans legislators who don't vote with party directives. Democrats need EVERY ONE of their senators to vote with the party leadership and Democrats don't exert that kind of control on their members and allow them to vote their conscience.