Gavriel: Very interesting stories...I have read some books by Edwin Black...one called "IBM and the Holocaust" another by John Sack called "An Eye For An Eye-The Story of Jews Who Sought Revenge For the Holocaust". The later is a free download from: http://archive.org/details/AnEyeForAnEye

At the archive.org site you can also download a video of Edwin Black on his book "IBM and the Holocaust" there are two parts:
part 1:
http://archive.org/details/EssentialDissent-EdwinBlackIBMAndTheHolocaust...

part 2:
http://archive.org/details/EssentialDissent-EdwinBlackIBMAndTheHolocaust...

Basically, what I understood Edwin Black to be saying was that IBM's participation in the Holocaust didn't really have anything to do with "hate" or anything else except for "money"...ie: "profit". IBM wasn't the only American company that was making lots of money from the Nazis despite the fact that we were at war with them...or despite the fact that it was very well known by lots of people around the world (especially government and business leaders) just what the Nazis were doing to the Jews and others deemed "unacceptable".

The fact that "profit" was largely the motive should not make too many people, even today, no matter what his/her religion, status, sexual orientation...no matter what...even socioeconomic status, very paranoid about what could happen right here in the US today. Would people opt to sacrifice hundreds of thousands or even millions of other people's lives for profit and power? ...even fellow Americans?

Would they start off, perhaps, by sacrificing a few thousand lives in tall buildings that collapse after airliners crash into them? Think about how things have changed since then! Who was really been behind it all? Terrorists? The only real terrorists are the ones who create false flags by creating the illusion of a few patsies wielding box cutters. The only real terrorists are the ones who have butchered millions of innocent civilians and gotten their citizens to go along with it all. Just like Hitler got his citizens to go along with the Nazi death camps, US leaders, along with their criminal accomplice lap-dog countries, have pulled off a pretty big "holocaust" using high tech weapons.

Just how long do you think it will be before the Elysium elite will turn those weapons upon the rest of us? For profit and power, of course, not because they "hate" us. Hey, business is business....got to keep those profits up or the business falls apart.

(By the way, the movie "Elysium" will be in theaters starting this Friday).

The IBM punched card tabulating machines made the efficiency of the Holocaust a reality...what the NSA and other spy organizations have today are far more powerful and efficient. A former head of the CIA made a statement something to the effect that "even your kitchen appliances will have listening devices to spy on everyone right in their homes". Even cars of people "they" consider "pests" (like Michael Hastings) can be remotely, electronically hijacked (like the 9/11 planes were) and rammed into trees (or tall buildings) exploding into flames roasting the occupants. One day, they won't bother remotely hijacking our cars...they'll just zap you right inside your home with a Hellfire missile launched from a drone (like they did to those American citizen kids--one Awlaki's 16 year old son while attending a Barbeque).

I agree, DAnneMarc: because the republican-controlled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac helped the republicans on wall street to crash a bunch of rebublican-controlled investment banks, then republican president Bush said, "The only way out of this is for the government to print trillions of dollars and give it to the republican-controlled banks," and so we did that, and the republicans kept every penny of that money and then they raised interest rates on the middle class and on the poor, and then stopped paying interest on savings accounts and certificates of deposit, and the republican-controlled corporations outsourced almost all of America's manufacturing jobs.

So, obviously there is only one way to make it right: we have to give Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to rich republicans. I'm sure that those republicans will do the right thing, because republicans have always done the right thing.

No, wait: ever since Ronald Reagan, republicans have virtually never done the right thing.

Carson, I'll make this simple for you: the republican party is evil. Just look at what the republican party has done and is trying to do, and the only logical conclusion anyone could possible make, is that the republican party is evil. Not all republicans are evil, though. In fact, most republicans are republicans only because of fox fake news and a few republican radio dj's, who fill their hearts with so much fear that they can't see straight.

I have a neighbor who watches fox fake news, and he gets all of these astonishingly bizarre ideas, like, "There are no poor people in America, everyone in America has plenty of money, and all of our problems are caused by the illegal immigrants."

What a load of crap! The illegals come here because the republicans interfered in their countries, destroying their ability to earn a decent living in their own countries, so, trying to feed their families, the illegals come here to work for REPUBLICAN business owners. And then the republicans blame the illegals for every problem that anyone has. So, when it comes to the illegals, the republicans do NOT believe in pull yourself up by your bootstraps, they believe in blaming illegals for problems that republicans are creating. You know, like the drunk husband who blames his wife for his drinking.

Here is what republicans believe: all of my problems are your fault, and all of your problems are your fault, too. If that doesn't sound fair to you, well, you wouldn't make a very good republican. But not being a very good republican is a good thing.

I couldn't post on the site I wanted too, about cearting a Federal Mortage Lending System so more people can buy homes. FUCK the Private-Sector they have been FUCKING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO LONG!!!!!!!!! Create Government Own Oil Companies, Government Own Banks, Government Own Car Insurance, Government Own Medical Coverage, etc. and let those DICKLES BITCHES move their Private-Sector jobs overseas or to Mexico. And FUCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO CRY COMMUNIST, LET THOSE DICKLES BITCHES FOLLOW THEIR FREE MARKET JOBS OVERSEAS OR TO MEXICO, AND LET THOSE IGNORANT FREE MARKET REPUBLICAN CHRISTIAN CHILD MOLESTERS BUY INTO THE PRIVATE-SECTOR, AND LET US WHO HAVE MORE FAITH IN THE GOVERNMENT BUY GOVERNMENT GOODS,

Privatize Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae like they were the reason for the latest housing boom and bust? Not only doesn't this president want to prosecute guilty bankers for robbing the life savings of our citizens he wants to dismantle one of the best resources the middle class has for home ownership and turn it over to private for profit interests. What cool aid is the President drinking? What effort to privatize anything has ever succeeded? Just how is a privatized source of money going to offer cheaper interest on long term loans than a Government backed one? Private investment with private money only seeks a private profit. Public investment with public money seeks public profit. Private profit equals money; whereas, public profit equals people owning homes. What about that simple equation does this President not get? This sounds like another criminal housing scheme with even greater potential for damage than the previous one. You can't get blood from squeezing a rock and when something sounds too good to be true it usually is. The Government needs to back these loans and either the people need to earn more money, or home prices need to come down. It's as simple as that. There is no easy answer, and no good answer is going to come from the private sector. This plan is bogus.

That word "incentive" keeps popping up.

"They say that the only way to ensure that most Americans have the opportunity to become homeowners, is to include incentives that encourage the private market"

It seems that businesses are not satified mainkg profits, they want incentives to make profits too. How much is enough? Isn't this how we got into this mess in the first place by having government "stimulate" the housing market? Incentives don't make houses more affordable. All they do is make bigger profits for the lenders and drive prices up.

we need to get back to the situation where private enterprise operates for the profit, not for the government handouts. Incentive is just another word for corporate welfare.

Maybe President Obama needs to just slap a nice white caboose during a press conference and follow it up with a "I'll post you up later, Betty!" Just to give the Republicans something better to whine about other than the endless varieties of "Darn it, Barrack, stop being right about everything all the time!" I would NEVER make it two days as president, with all those priceless pickup lines available only to our commander in chief! Wanna get perpendicular in the Oval office? How about a Manned drone strike tonight? Executive treatment anyone? Wanna give these guards a real secret to service? The NSA might be able to tell me about your bank accounts but I'm trying to go treasure hunting with you all by myself! You can veto my bill as many times as you want to, honey. psst, hey, wanna see my executive branch? LOL My first action as President would be to rename my new jet as Air Force FUN baby! Whoo! We're shooting a rap video tonight while flying around the planet and taking shots in every time zone!

The funny thing is I was just getting ready to say that all people can be educated and move them not completely but enough that their goals and ambitions are in line enough with our to be compatible. I was going to say that the real enemy is ignorance and the desire to simplify things. LO Then you came along. Your statement is full of the ignorance and simplification I was talking about. Let me tell you a story.

Understanding the Side Affects to Long Term Hate

This is a difficult subject to have with people who haven't actually had to deal with hate. It isn't that any one lacks the Intelligence, but unless you have experienced it, it is very difficult to grasp.

The subtleties, most people miss. On top of that, most people are not conscious that they are not objective. To put into other terms. People tend to think, I would not do that. But it comes out in conversation as, they wouldn't do that.

One could spend a hundred years exploring this subject of the side affects of long term hate, on an individual psyche. Or the collective social behavior changes that occur in society from long term hate.

So instead of trying to explain the complexities of long term hate. I will give examples, that tell the story of hate, and hope you understand.

A seed of hate:

It was about twenty years ago. My family and I were attending services in Ahavith Beth Israel, in down town Boise Idaho. A family came in during the services and sat down, for all is welcome in the house of God. At the end of the service the family was asked to introduce them selves to the community (common practice in Jewish communities). The Husband stood up and introduce his wife and two young children. He said he was not Jewish, but his family has come into hard times and they are now homeless and hungry. Afterwards a family friend and a long time member in the Jewish community, walked over to the family and introduce himself and gave the family a blessing and then handed over his rent money.

This same man went to Israel a few years later. A couple of years had pasted and he came back to Boise for a visit. While back he stopped in at Ahavith Beth Israel. This generous and compassionate man, was one of the kindest men you could have ever met, at least he used to be. This time he was bitter and full of hatred for the Arabs. When my father asked him why the change (I was fairly young when this happened)? He responded, if you just put your wife and child into your car, and some guy walks up and throws a bomb under your car, you would start to hate them too.

The spy the KKK sent:

Many years back, a man named George Caldell, was a guest on the Phil Donahue Show. Now George and my family go way back. George was one of my Mom and Dad teachers when they converted to Judaism. They studied the Torah on a weekly basis, and I was given a great gift from God, by being part of that. Even if it was from a back ground vantage point. Well back to point, George had a interesting history. He was a former KKK member who was told/asked to infiltrate the local Jewish community and gather inelegance/info on local Jews, a target list.

What they did not account for, was George's natural inclination to investigate. So he infiltrated the Jewish community, but he also started studying Torah. Well to make a long story short, he converted. I will try to insert a comment from George himself, if I can convince him.

The lesson to learn is hate comes from ignorance. Once he started studying, he realized how much, what he thought where facts, or realities about Jews. Turned out to be bullish.

This I believe is true to all cases. Any person or group that starts hating, is giving themselves up to ignorance. Thus, any person who hates, can change. They change by investigating there own beliefs from the source. Not the source of people who agree or disagree. But the source of what you believe, and why.

Hero's can be found in the ranks of monsters committing evil acts:

The Emperor of Japan's ambassador To occupied Poland during world war two was such a hero. A man of compassion surrounded by evil acts. A man who would not turn a blind eye, even if everyone else was at the time.

Prior to Germany's invasion of Poland, rumors were leaking out about German atrocities. When the invasion occurred, the Japanese Ambassador to Poland received desperate request from local Jews that he was friends with. They were asking for asylum in Japan. At first a few request from friends. Then friends of friends, then a few became a flood as atrocities began to happen in Poland.

The ambassador sent a request to his government. A response came back denying asylum. As things got worse the request became pleading, which became begging as the Jews became more, and more desperate.

To make a long story short, the ambassador heart ached, to the point were he began defying his governments orders to stay out of it. He began signing forged travel papers for Jews to escape to Japan.

Once thirty thousand, or so, had arrived in Japan. Japan started looking up and saying, where the hell did all these people come from. Unfortunately the ambassador was recalled and his honor stripped. But they decided to allow the Jews that had already arrived, to stay.

Even after he was recalled, he was still signing forged travel papers. Even as his train was leaving, he was handing forged travel papers out the train car window. This is a true honorable hero.

Well after a while the Germans became aware of the situation and began pressuring Japan to deport the Jews back to Poland. Note, the reason that Germany new people were gone, was the fact that the American company IBM, had preceded each invasion. IBM was hired by Germany to do surveys of the population. How many Jews, christian, which kinds of Christian, woman, men, children. Before the war ended, or as it was ended, IBM was moving ahead of the army picking up their machines, equipment, and any evidence. Disgusting huh.

Well as the pressure mounted. The Japanese council had called open the new arrivals to send a small group to represent them, the council has questions.

The new Jewish immigrants sent a few community leaders and a prominent Rabbi. When they arrived the council bluntly came out and asked, why do they hate you so much? Why are they insisting that we deport all of you back to Poland?

Japan by this point had been inundated by antisemitic literature and other forms of propaganda.

After a long pause, the Rabbi stood and walked over to the map and pointed at Japan. Japan is here on this side of Asia. And we Jews are from here, the other side of Asia. They hate us because we are Asian. What do you think they mean when they say that when they are done with the Jews, they will deal with the yellow man? Who do you think they are talking about? Do you not listen to there broadcast of there claims of superiority over this planet.

A few minutes passed and the counsel asked if they would wait in a hotel in Tokyo. A few days had passed and the council called the Rabbi and the Jewish community leaders back to the council. They said that the Jews can stay for how ever long they would like. To this day, Japan has the third largest Jewish population in the world, next to USA, and Israel.

Note, this is an act of kindness and compassion, being done by a country who was, at the time committing acts of genocide themselves.This is a perfect example of the complexities of human nature as it relates to hate and times of strife. Quite reassuring if you ask me, a sign of hope.

They should name Obama care, to Romney care then the Republicans would probably be happy with it. In 1956, the Republican platform of the Eisenhower’s reelection platform is nowhere close to days Republican platform. I am put in this link to a website that shows where the 1956 Republicans was more common man friendly in their days than today’s Republican Party which is heavier toward the strength of the Corporation instead of making the middle class stronger. Former presidential candidate Mitt Romney wanted to strength the corporations of America instead of middle America. If he would’ve follow 1956 Republicans platform he would probably be president today. But he wanted to be the money exchanger in the Temple instead, so he was tossed out of the Temple by middle Americans

Here is the 1956 Republican platform read it and enjoy then pass the word around, especially to your Tea party Buddy's then ask them, why did you guys stray so far away from middle America.

Human mistakes are one thing my friend, yours being you cast your vote out of "fear" of Romney and his caste of Nazis taking office instead of casting your vote for an alternative party that better represented your voice. However to excuse any elected leader - especially the President of the United States - for ignoring the voice of We the People, and instead pandores to the Corporate agenda of " Profit before people by any means necessary" is inexcusable.

We the People have a duty to up hold our Independence by a means of altering or abolishing any government that becomes destructive of the Equal Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
I do acknowledge that the Corporate highjacking of our Goverment took place long before Obama and his selfintrest Adminastration. However, that being said, "Obamney" has done nothing to change the course of how our Government opperates. Infact his reign in office is no better than that of the last four presidents (Bush, Clinton, Bush, and the devil himself Ronnie Regain). And I say FUCK all these assholes and their groupies! They deserve to be tared & feathered then sent to the gallows!!! ;)

If...That's IF, We the People every again want a Government that is Of, For, and By the People then we MUST revolt (by means of Nonviolent Civil Disobedience) and abolish the Supreme Courts ruleing that Corporations are a People and Money is their voice.
Of course those Captians of Industries and their high paid "do boys" and well funded Paramilitary will resist by means of Ignoring, Ridicule, and finally Hostle and Violent Attacks, but is our job as "We the People" to organize and maintain our Rights protected under U.S. Constitutional Law.

Somewhere along the line a generation has to take a stand and REVOLT, otherwise future generations will suffer worse.

Just what the world needs, more Red V Blue analysis. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Yeah, OK. Let's face it, the Tea Party was quickly over-run by the Jewish Bolshevik / neocons who turned it inside out....... the Dick Armey's, Koch Bros. and other Jewish / zionist con-artists who took the legitimate Replican disgust with the Israelite boot-licking (read: neocons) and turned it into just another Marketing Division of Jewish Totalitarianism that the modern (and zionist-franchised) Tea Party has become. Zio-Bolshevism round four.

Well, guess what? The REAL TEA PARTY has seen through the Jews, their con artists and liars (sorry to be redundant) and has told the dirty s^%m to go eff itself.

The real title of this piece should be: "Zionist Tea-Party Infil-traitors Told to Eff Themselves by Real Patriotic Americans."