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When compared with other first-world countries, the reason the US has such a high rate—probably the highest rate, per capita—of gun murders is because, as a country, we have deified the gun. Period.
Propping up that mindless deification is the obviously dangerous propaganda from the NRA and its like-minded political spinoffs, with the simultaneous dumbing-down of our primary and secondary education systems, public and private. The contributing influences in media are their empty "entertainment" offerings, largely the so-called "reality" shows (no imagination there!) and ersatz news (one “all-news” channel in particular is casually known as "Propaganda Central!").
Our ancestors fought for liberty, whether they were soldiers or lawmakers and we can only infer their intent by examining the first-hand accounts of their own purpose and the times in which they lived, and that is exactly why Thom Hartmann’s analyses of America's original documents of foundation (my emphasis) and the unified intent of our founders who wrote those documents, are so important to all Americans.
Once upon a time, American History and Government, separate courses once taught as part of every secondary public-school education in this country, during an era when America felt threatened by Cold War influences, are no longer taught, except in a cursory way, in most schools. To turn our backs on those lessons of history is inviting ignorance, which breeds anarchy and other forms of disaster.
To the folks who present the spurious, and exceedingly dangerous argument that if more people were to carry more guns, we would have a safer society, I defy you to successfully apply that hypothesis to this story of a 4-year-old murdered on a sunny Sunday on an oceanside playground in New York City--and don't even TRY to convince me that if the boy's mother or father HAD been carrying a gun that he would not have been murdered ANYWAY! http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/23/12903602-4-year-old-boy-shot-dead-on-nyc-playground?lite
Thom, thank you for providing this forum!
Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD)-
Worked for decades for major countries who had atomic weapons. They knew that if one started anything...that it would pretty much be the end of the world as we know it. Countries may have hated one another and may have tried to outdo the other in other ways but no one was foolish enough to launch atomic weapons. And you can't really say that the two major countries were even all that responsible or level headed...the US, after all, did use it against Japan twice and wanted to use it in both the Korean and Vietnam wars. And we did have a few very close calls.
If everyone packed their own weapons...especially the ones who were screened to be relatively sane and who took a mandatory training as part of their condition for getting a license to carry a concealed weapon then there would be fewer occurrences of what happen in that Colorado theater. There would be fewer robberies, rapes, and murders. More people would have to respect one another more and realize that Mutually Assured Destruction (at least among the committed parties) would be the end of their lives. One thing it would do quite well...make a potential criminal attacker much more afraid that he/she would likely be killed by perpetrating any attach on another being that is well armed. Sure, there will be a few people that won't be able to control their temper and they will likely try to kill someone who ticks him/her off. Road Rage already kills people when they use their vehicles as weapons. But, again, potential carriers of weapons would have to be screened and educated.
But, of course, there would be staged incidents, as we see today, by certain groups, who have an agenda, to get people to see things their way. And some people, evidently, can't even see the hypocrisy of gun control when their fearless leaders are running guns to Mexican Drug Lords. The only people they don't want to have guns are the citizens of this country...now why do you think that is? Control? Good guess!
So, when you are at one of those destinations...and someone tries to rob and/or kill you who ya gonna call...Ghost Busters? The police will be around later to pick up the body...or shoot you like they did the unarmed man in Anaheim...or they'll set their dogs loose on you to chew you up. Your car won't protect you...well, maybe..if you are lucky. Most criminals know that most people are unarmed and are totally vulnerable. I'm sure that many of those people in that theater got there by car as well but none of them had a gun...too bad...they could have been the hero that saved so many lives.
I suspect that there is a lot more to this than we are being told...I wonder how MKULTRA would have used neuroscience..maybe they don't need to use LSD or other psychotropic drugs and hypnotism anymore....maybe they have something better. Why is the neuroscience school being so tight lipped about this? What was that about the so-called "each student had an overseer to monitor them"...or some such...and why would someone after having achieved so much, and working for a Doctorate degree in neuroscience just lose it.
Thom, where do you dig up these nuts, like that guy Neil (?) who apparently wants every American to be armed with an assault weapon? I'm more afraid of the numerous flakes in our society than I am of the government (& I'm pretty sure I'll feel the same way neven if Romney wins.)
Thom -- cars are necessary to get to work, the store & many other destinations in most parts of this country -- guns are ONLY for killing.
The Edge of Terrorism
HSBC Admits Money Laundering Billions for Drug Lords and Terrorists
Michael Bowman July 19th 2012
"...for years, London-based HSBC seemingly turned a blind eye to illegal transactions originating in Mexico and elsewhere that used the bank’s U.S. affiliates as a gateway to America’s financial system. Senator Carl Levin of Michigan said HSBC is a prime example of a widespread problem in international banking.
“Some international banks abuse their U.S. access. Some allow affiliates operating in countries with severe money laundering, drug trafficking, or terrorist financing threats to open up U.S. dollar accounts without establishing safeguards at their U.S. affiliate," said Levin. "The end result is that the U.S. affiliate can become a sinkhole of risk for an entire network of bank affiliates and their clients around the world playing fast and loose with U.S. rules. The U.S. bank can end up aiding and abetting transactions that fund terrorists, drug cartels, corrupt dictators, and tax cheats.”
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=74828&pageid=37&page...
As for the theories put out by right wing talk show hosts that this is a conspiracy by the Obama administration to get people mad and push for more gun control, what about all the mass killings, etc. under Republican Presidents? Is Obama the only President in history here? What short, convenient memories they must have. They are so far out there, many need to be committed.
America on Edge
Drones over America: Lawmakers Probe Domestic UAVs
Jim Kouri July 22nd 2012
"...as of June 2012, President Barack Obama's Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) appointees have authorized about 60 private and government entities to operate UAVs in domestic airspace. The authorized entities include Federal, State and local law enforcement and academic institutions."
"There are also lawmakers who are concerned with drones being fitted with weapons systems, as well, which would mean an end run around the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, that prohibits the use of the U.S. military domestically."
"What appears to shock those who are apprehensive about domestic use of drones is the fact that not one Democrat politician of any importance has complained about using "spies in the sky" to monitor Americans, said former police captain George Sanchez."
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=74882&pageid=37&page...
PREVENTABLE TRAGEDIES:
When I read of such tragedies my heart goes out to all the victms, which include James Holmes and his family. See comments of Dr. Torrey::https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/310200/virginia-tech-tucson-aurora-and-counting-e-fuller-torre)
When my daughter quit taking her medication, I felt like I was walking on broken glass as I encountered her wild mood swings between "I love, you're the best and "I was thking about getting out a knife when I saw you sleeping". and "You are poisoning my food." Any time my daughter failed to come home I experienced the visceral terror of the fear that she might disappear among the 250,000 homeless in the US who have a severe mental illness, wandering the streets, eating out of garbage cans, victimized by robbery, assault, rape, or ending up alond and dead like college student Mitrice Richardson.
What did I do wrong? What did my daughter do to deserve this kind of life?
Should I apologize for having a daughter with mental illness?
Should I apologize for not being able to handle her frightening behavior?
Should I apologize when a psychiatrist throws us out of his office because she is not compliant with prescribed medication?
Should I apologize when police officers tell me my daughter has a right to walk the downtown streets at midnight while in a psychotic state?
Should I apologize when Mental Health Professionals fail to provide involuntary treatment to my very ill daughter until she is in imminent danger? What the hell does that mean? Do they need to see blood? How much?
I am grateful that my daughter is now safe, receiving treatment in another country, in a community where medical care is a priority, whether for a heart condition or a brain disorder. I miss my daughter, but I am afraid she will not be safe here, if she returns, and if nothing has changed. She is now taking medication for her illness (without hospitalization) and hopes that the system here "gets better". I hope sharing my story will in some small way help others.
See the complete article in Seattle Weekly "Mad Medicine" by Keegan Hamilton, published on May 23, 2012.
J Bowen
P.S. I enjoyed THE FORUM on Saturday sponsored by AM 1090 . Thank you, Thom Hartmann, Mik Papantonio, Ron Reagan, Randi Rhodes Norman Goldman and San Seder for keeping the message alive.
More people are killed in car crashes, close to 33000, in 2010 than by guns in the US.. 31500 gun deaths in 2010 and a high percentage of those were suicides. No one is screaming to restrict automobile use . Gun violence in the US is actually dropping over the last decade or so, thanks to the advent of the security state post 9/11. I'm sure they will whip this to remove even more civil rights.
What facts are you referring to.?
Citizens armed in the theatre would not of helped. in the DARK, with TEAR GAS, with the guy fully armored HEAD TO TOE....with panic and chaos all around them...... theres no way unless someone was a special forces sniper who could of shot him in the eye despite the circumstances.
The kid orered 6000 rounds and all these weapons and equipment over the internet as easy as ordering pizza. within 60 days. I don't understand how he was not flagged by homeland security. Or how anyone could consider those things nescessary for self defense...
Regarding Anne Romney's comment "You People" As soon as I heard it, I tried to think of the phrase and how she meant it. Either way it's condescending. She looks down on other people from her lofty perch. I personally believe the "Romney's" are resisting the release of their tax documents because it will prove they've shirked their responsibility to the Mormon Church (I mean Cult).
So it is not illegal to take weapons across the border? The goverment was in charge of this one and look at what happened.
It is so sad that some have to loose their lives for our freedoms. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. A assult rifle is just as dangerous as a pistol, shotgun, or smaller caliber automatic weapons. What makes them dangerous is the person using them. Anyone who uses any kind of weapon to harm another has an assult weapon. Why is it always the weapons fault. If you saw the pictures of this evil man in the court room today then you will know that this is a health care issue. I wonder if he had good health insurance or access to it? It sounds like his mother knew that there was something wrong with him and was possibly unable to get him the help he needed because of laws. We do have laws to help prevent what happened. Were they over looked or not in place? If you have also seen what has happened in Syria in the passed few weeks where men, women and childern are in the way of a goverments rule and the population is defenceless. Alot more people die. We the people need to have a way of defending our lives agains those evil rulers who care more about money and power than the welfareof it people. This is why it is in the Constitution. Not so whe can have a gun to hunt with. It is about protection. I have a concealed weapons permit and I carry a gun at times. If I had been in that theater and in harms way, I would have shot that bastard dead or died trying to protect my life or those in need of protection. I want you to know that I have survived a home invasion against a drugged up thug and still live today because of a gun. Guns can also save lives! Its the person behind the gun that does that too!
You must belong to a well regulated militia then, and you use muskets and other weapons that go back to the 18th century.
Zygophrenically ugly? I don't know. Something to do with facial bones?
Regarding your Radio conversation today about Anne Romney's use of "You People," I think its been understood by the media that those remarks were directed to everyone in the media asking her husband to release his tax records
You mean "spur", not "spurn," right?
Thom,
I'd really like you to play "Goodness Gracious" by Kevin Gilbert as part of your normal music rotation. The words are incredible and worthy of listening to and sharing with your audience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TG7l1aveok&feature=related
Here's a link to his lyrics: http://www.kevingilbert.com/lyrics_pages/goodnessgracious.htm
The version off his album "Thud" is stellar. Thanks,