Quote mstaggerlee:Are Feingold and Cantwell allowing the perfect to become the enemy of the good here? We need the Senate to pass SOME KIND of REAL reform here.
Now the bill has been passed and appears to have few teeth. As with health care reform we are supposed to accept anything that gets passed as the beginning with no real hope of another step. The House passed stronger financial reform long ago. As Bernie says the reconciliation committee will be a real zoo - this time I don't think the House will play along with the Senate reconciliation game.
It is the POSSIBLE that continues to be the enemy of the good. The perfect cannot be the enemy of the good or it would not be perfect, right? Now we can see that Cantwell and Feingold (at least) are fed up with this managed pseudo-reform process - at least they (and a precious few other Senators) are not totally bought and paid for by our plutocracy.
President Obama said "after they drove the car into the ditch, made it as difficult as possible for us to pull iy back, now they want the keys back. No! You can't Drive!".
I was heartened to hear him remind people who caused the 2008 Great Resession. Add that to the Great Depression and they're not just bad drivers, they're crash dummies!
Negative branding of the liberal label has had serious consequences for Democrats. Conservatives succeeded in turning liberal into a disparaging word by using phrases like like tax and liberals want to take your hard earned money and big goverment liberals want to take away your freedom.
It's time make crash conseratives synonymous with a bad economy. Democrats need Frank Luntz type phrases branding Conseratives with economic incompetence. Democrats need to repeat the same phrases over and over until people are sick of hearing it and then repat them some more.
Everyone seems to be aware that Democrats have to do a better job of messaging but nothing seems to improve. What's the problem???
@harry re #36 reply... I don't know how many ways, or how more precisely, I can tell you I wasn't praising or detracting Jackson.
He was a man that walked around with a slug lodged in his shoulder from a duel he had got into. I can't say I agree with dueling with pistols, and for two people to so is well beyond my comprehension. Doesn't mean I think this made his policies correct, I don't, I'm just saying that he stood by his principles in an extreme way.
I'm in no way supportive of any of the land thieving policies of America, not then, not now.
This maybe me just getting all whiny about the precision in languaging rearing its ugly head thingy, again. To lump into inexact categories is to dance on the edge of jingoist propaganda and give ammo to the idiots on the ‘other’ side of shouting match.
@harry @ladlof All right fellas, we will let this go this time. Given the anger on the board in so many places, it would not be inconsistent to make the case the comment was not sarcastic. Do not mess with the Food Fascist!!!!!
re: BP, I think the obvious first thing for our legislators to do is simply require that all drilling rigs use the same Blowout Preventers that are required in the North Atlantic. Seems like a no-brainer first step to me.
Second, everything BP is doing to clean up and stop the leak should be made public immediately. Their f-up is destroying the Gulf, they have forfeited any right to corporate privacy.
Third, the NOAA as well as Maritime Institutes should be dispersed with appropriate data collection equipment and start reporting on the data they're able to collect about the breadth, depths and direction of the spill.
No reason that all three of these issues can't be enacted immediately.
(Well no good reason, I'm sure BP could come up with a lot of BS reason not to do so).
@Foodfascist: No insult intended. It was an expression of true joy . . . The folk here are brainy. We discuss and dismantle and re-built. We agree and disagree. We arrive at concurring and diverging lines of thought AND we do it mostly respectfully.
WOOOHOOO! I love the adventure of true conversation.
@harry- clarify. Perhaps its not a matter of comprehension. Perhaps its a matter of having the courage of conviction, some basic manners, and some basic maturity.
Bernie Sanders has said it may take decades and decades to resolve our problems. I say bs!!! Reagan destroyed our country in twenty-nine years. Change should not take sixty to eighty years to better our country. Our country is one massive cesspool.
Now the bill has been passed and appears to have few teeth. As with health care reform we are supposed to accept anything that gets passed as the beginning with no real hope of another step. The House passed stronger financial reform long ago. As Bernie says the reconciliation committee will be a real zoo - this time I don't think the House will play along with the Senate reconciliation game.
It is the POSSIBLE that continues to be the enemy of the good. The perfect cannot be the enemy of the good or it would not be perfect, right? Now we can see that Cantwell and Feingold (at least) are fed up with this managed pseudo-reform process - at least they (and a precious few other Senators) are not totally bought and paid for by our plutocracy.
@maxrot: Cool! tomorrow come over and paint my house. 10 am.
@harry, you were the one beating the drum. I felt I had to dance to the rythm.
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I plan to be buried with my asbestos underwear.
@gerald, yeah, i never considered cesspools flammable, but they got to put all that oil somewhere..
@maxrot: I believed you the first time. relax. ;)
@harry ashburn, it will depend on what is in the cesspool. If we have flammable ingredients in the cesspool, I do not see the fires extinguished.
@Foodfascist: I was agreeing with you about Salazar and the DLC White House . . .
President Obama said "after they drove the car into the ditch, made it as difficult as possible for us to pull iy back, now they want the keys back. No! You can't Drive!".
I was heartened to hear him remind people who caused the 2008 Great Resession. Add that to the Great Depression and they're not just bad drivers, they're crash dummies!
Negative branding of the liberal label has had serious consequences for Democrats. Conservatives succeeded in turning liberal into a disparaging word by using phrases like like tax and liberals want to take your hard earned money and big goverment liberals want to take away your freedom.
It's time make crash conseratives synonymous with a bad economy. Democrats need Frank Luntz type phrases branding Conseratives with economic incompetence. Democrats need to repeat the same phrases over and over until people are sick of hearing it and then repat them some more.
Everyone seems to be aware that Democrats have to do a better job of messaging but nothing seems to improve. What's the problem???
@harry re #36 reply... I don't know how many ways, or how more precisely, I can tell you I wasn't praising or detracting Jackson.
He was a man that walked around with a slug lodged in his shoulder from a duel he had got into. I can't say I agree with dueling with pistols, and for two people to so is well beyond my comprehension. Doesn't mean I think this made his policies correct, I don't, I'm just saying that he stood by his principles in an extreme way.
I'm in no way supportive of any of the land thieving policies of America, not then, not now.
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Hey, Mysterious Floating Head: did you see #48? The chick swallowed it! ;D
THOM!
Not corporate. NOT MONOPOLY!!!
Monopolistic, cartel, cabal . . . even Multinational Enterprise (MNE) work.
This maybe me just getting all whiny about the precision in languaging rearing its ugly head thingy, again. To lump into inexact categories is to dance on the edge of jingoist propaganda and give ammo to the idiots on the ‘other’ side of shouting match.
The United States of Hell is an uncivilized society.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/may/20/rights-secret-evidence-control-orders
@harry @ladlof All right fellas, we will let this go this time. Given the anger on the board in so many places, it would not be inconsistent to make the case the comment was not sarcastic. Do not mess with the Food Fascist!!!!!
@foodfascist, re#39: no offense meant, I should have added a smiley. I was trying to appear as brainy as the Mysterious Floating Head by being droll.
@Gerald re #40, at least a cesspool will extinguish the fires of the United States of "Hell", right?
re: BP, I think the obvious first thing for our legislators to do is simply require that all drilling rigs use the same Blowout Preventers that are required in the North Atlantic. Seems like a no-brainer first step to me.
Second, everything BP is doing to clean up and stop the leak should be made public immediately. Their f-up is destroying the Gulf, they have forfeited any right to corporate privacy.
Third, the NOAA as well as Maritime Institutes should be dispersed with appropriate data collection equipment and start reporting on the data they're able to collect about the breadth, depths and direction of the spill.
No reason that all three of these issues can't be enacted immediately.
(Well no good reason, I'm sure BP could come up with a lot of BS reason not to do so).
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@foodfascist: that was my clumsy way of trying to say maybe he wasn't being sarcasatic....
@Foodfascist: No insult intended. It was an expression of true joy . . . The folk here are brainy. We discuss and dismantle and re-built. We agree and disagree. We arrive at concurring and diverging lines of thought AND we do it mostly respectfully.
WOOOHOOO! I love the adventure of true conversation.
A bomb could set in place some earthquake fault zones - not a good idea.
@harry- clarify. Perhaps its not a matter of comprehension. Perhaps its a matter of having the courage of conviction, some basic manners, and some basic maturity.
Bernie Sanders has said it may take decades and decades to resolve our problems. I say bs!!! Reagan destroyed our country in twenty-nine years. Change should not take sixty to eighty years to better our country. Our country is one massive cesspool.
@Foodfascist: if you have to ask, you can't comprehend it.
@rladlof "God, I love the braininess of the folk on this site at times ." Who was this insult directed at?
rladlof
Re: The issue of looking back
Balance. Wow, what a novel idea!
;)