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from yesterday: quark:thanx for match game you tube: I have more on vcr.
for Zerog:re Garrett: I know he has a podcast, but I also like to participate in the chat room. ::&)
@Quark, it doesn't escape my sense of irony, that Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha etc... most likely would have no problem whatsoever sitting down and talking about each others point of views and coming to agreement after agreement, and enjoying the conversation, whereas their followers (for the most part) can't.
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Maxrot and radlof,
I have questions to answer from yesterday, too. I need to refresh my memory, too! (Later.) :-)
I love all this thoughtful conversation. I truly feel alive with so much to think about.
@rladlof, incidently thanks for running me through mental gymnastics this morning, I had to re-read your post twice before I could remember the question I posted yesterday.
Not your fault that I have been afflicted with piss poor memory, just amazed me how long I was perplexed (sorta humbling).
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radlof,
In Karen Armstrong's massive tome, A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, she seems to imply that Christ may have encountered much of the philosophy which later became part of his teachings while he sojourned possibly as far east as India (coming upon Buddhist or Hindu teachings.)
In my opinion, "truths" are "truths" the world over. We learn from each other (if we are open to it. Listen up, conservatives/authoritarians!)
It just keeps getting worst. It's not enough that greed driven corporations demolish economies and financial markets systematically, they tend to do the same to the environment and everything and everyone around them...They do this because thay are not held accountable. They are criminals and should be treated as such, obviously, they make the rules. I had the opportunity to speak with Aaron Russo regarding the disproportionate amount of income tax collected by the US Gov't. from individuals compared to corporations, almost 4 to 1.
@rladlof, I'm almost scared to ask your thoughts on the Virgin Mary (OK, perhaps anxious, perhaps thrilled to throw that topic out there).
I don't care what anyone says, even if she conceived as a virgin, there is no way in heaven or hell, you can convince me that Joseph her husband didn't get to work right away on removing that virgin label ASAP, well before the first XMAS.
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I think your points on the second hand were pretty much where I was going.
@MAXROT: To answer your question from yesterday:
The recycling of a man called ‘salvation’ in the Greek tongue into an idol formed of flesh matters not one iota UNLESS you are attempting to destroy a cyclical “Life” oriented religion by imposing “Death” oriented mythology over its basic tenets and supplant the original religion’s written basic documentation with a “Rapture” focused Book of the dead by relabeling statements of social truth as soothsaying. Saul/Paul had anger issues.
On the other hand, this does not mean that there is not value to Christian philosophy. An accurate reading of their mythos allows access to social truth and can support edification of a society. While the society it focuses on varies from my personal preferences, it is not without merit. SO it does matter and can result in a positive outcome.
On the third, my concern is the focus on resurrection also allows access to the juxtaposed concept of inflicting harm to generate good. By diverting the blame from the Romans who inflicted the punished to the Israelite leadership, one institutionalizes a blood libel. SO it matters AND is highly destructive.
On the fourth hand, . . .
@making progress, I second that, though I don't look forward to the inevitable fear and depression his discussions generally have on me. Its a complicated emotion.
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HORRAY For Having Dr. Batra on again!!! It's been too long!!!!
Come on lets not take a headline and twist it to fit your talking point.
How much longer are they living????? 6 months???/ 10 years??????
are they incapacitated or a thriving member of the community??????/
Why do they cross into the U.S. for the medical services???????
And by the way no one has answered me but what is going to be the reason that the new brightest minds go into medicine in the U.S. if this Health nightmare actually is instituted in the U.S.? If you take the obvious monetary reward out of the equation for the aspisring new Doctor why would the brightest not go into a field that would reward him or her for his or her ideas rather then Uncle Sam controlling what they make for income???
10 years after this thing begins all the doctors in this country will be from other countrys because the Americans schooled in medicine will go where the money is. Why do you think the majority of new ideas in medicine still come from the U.S.? I have never heard a person attending medical school say "I cant wait to make an average income"
As it was written in an online essay I stumbled into recently, I believe that any solution can be found.
@Zero G: i must confess I join garrett chat room, too.
@Harry:
http://twitter.com/GarrettRadio
when thoms show is over, i listen to my friend frank garrett of the garrett report
@quark and all, I was distracted ill try to answer unanswered question tomorry
@Zero G. if you've commented on it before, I probably missed it (or more likely forgot). But yeah the story of Godfather III sounds like they were using that concept. Interesting, until you mentioned this here, I always kinda' figured that Godfather III was just involving the RC church because of its prominence in Italy. I'll have to delve deeper into this book and its suppositions.
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Nels,
I thought I posted a comment about Godfather III and In God's Name? I've seen them commented about together, but I don't know that one sourced the other?
Greetings, Thom
Just in case you don't have enough to do as it is, here's something else.
Glen Beck is on His own crank about the Founding Fathers. He blows His gas about their history, and the history of their times. He presumes to know what they thought.
We need a Beck watch, that will square away His loads the next day.
If not you Thom, someone else attending to this board.
A small cloud of folks working togather perhaps.
I'm remiss. I should hee meself over to Media Maters, and see if theye're already on it.
Happy trails, folks.
May the Force be with you Zero G.
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@Gerald, we can only hope that the Catholic church will once again return to its roots as small groups meeting in backrooms and basements, as you prophesize, but that seems overly optimistic.
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@Gerald,
I read five books about the historical Jesus.
Yes, well...if they all agreed, how did you chose those five books? I've read differing theories...enough about that, I'm not going to dissuade you from your faith. I wouldn't try to,
Peace be unto you. And us all.
@Zero G. was that the basis for the sub plot in Godfather III? Sounds similar.
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@Maxrot, the Resurrection does matter to substantiate the belief that there is life after death.
In God's Name has been at the top of the bestseller lists all over the world. It contains some of the most explosive and dramatic revelations ever published about the internal affairs of the Vatican.
During the late evening of September 28th or the early morning of September 29th, 1978, Pope John Paul 1, Albino Luciani, known as the smiling Pope, died only thirty-three days after his election.
David Yallop began his investigations into his death at the request of certain individuals resident in Vatican City who were disturbed by a cover-up of the true circumstances surrounding the discovery of the Pope's body. It is his conviction that murder was the fate of Albino Luciani and he presents this evidence in this enthralling book.
Over three years continual and exhaustive research, David Yallop uncovered a chain of corruption that linked leading figures in financial, political, criminal and clerical circles around the world in a conspiracy of awesome proportions. To this day the central questions raised in In God's Name remain unanswered. A new updated edition containing additional evidence is now available. From David Yallop's webite
From the Vatican Bank to Propaganda Due to the death of Roberto Calvi @ Blackfriar's Bridge in London...Conspiracy in Cardinal Red