Well- there was a major protest in Los Angeles, I have put protests together in the past from my secret bunker which remains undisclosed publically, however, put no protest together yet as I am wall to wall just making a living right now and primarily blogging. My biggest campaign right now is getting listener's to Thom's and other progressive shows whenever I get a breath. I have turned into a 24/7 activist though, its a part of me now. I envision a candle of light that I become every minute of the day, so no matter what I am doing, I am radiating light. Now...we need to find those in the dark,, scoop them up and encourage them into the light. Yesterday, for example, I wrote the President of TeaParty.org and gave him links to Thoms show and encouraged him to listen and that I had heard on the program that Thom would like us to engage them and find common ground.
IF I am all wrong and the laws of the Tao with regards to polarity are correct however, every time we create a Mother Theresa, we also create a Charles Manson - so I do not want to be self righteous and like Roger Daltry of the Who sings -and if I ........... .......... ....before if I smile and act like a fool .....oh somebody help me with the lyrics here...
Diversity must be enjoyed, but how do we embrace the afeared, so that they no longer do such heinous acts!
When you see how horrible Americans have it you just have to wonder how Republicans are allowed to complain that the minimum wage is too high. I would like to see any ONE of them live on minimum wage let alone a family. Many single mothers only have that option for work. I support a Living Wage and hope that eventually Progressive's will make that an issue after we get Health Care.
But we were very very wrong, apparently, or else we were right and the power structure in Washington has threatened President Obama, or “brainwashed” President Obama. It’s hard for me to believe that, if he were able to do what he truly wants to do, President Obama would bomb Afghanistan instead of sending carpenters, nurses, teachers, and business development experts.
While I believe that leadership in the White House is confined from acting in the behalf of America's citizenry by relying the staff they have put in place, I place greater blame on the leadership on the Hill. Between Pelosi in the House and Reid in the Senate we have a real problem to pursuing a progressive agenda. Both vote liberally BUT are lead by the more recessivist folk in their respective bodies rather than actually leading. Frankly, this would less objectionable if either or both of them were even marginal managers. If they can’t lead AND can’t manage they should abdicate their respective positions.
This is about the power of the buck over the power of flesh and blood.
I participated in "Meals on Wheels" and other community volunteer work for years. Recently, I've come up with a new "charity" outlet. I have alot of Republican neighbors, some of whom are incredibly petty. I have decided that, instead of getting peeved at their antics, I will try to do something positive or thoughtful for them whenever I can and without any expectation of reward or thanks from them. 'Makes me feel better and leaves them happier, too (or at least confused! LOL)
I understand your realistic memory of President Obama's promises about Afghanistan but I think the problem is that there is a tacit assumption that Presidential candidates must speak from both sides of their mouths at times in order to get elected. Because of campaign financing issues we have all come to accept the fact that people we back may be lying to "the other side", just as the other side has lied to us, in order to get elected.
I believe that many progressives felt President Obama was merely talking tough about Afghanistan, just as he was framing other policies in ways that would be acceptable to less progressive voters. We were seriously deluding ourselves, obviously, but in the insane campaign practices we live under today our delusion is understandable. I feel we really felt that President Obama, with his compassion and wisdom on so many other important issues, was surely saying what he needed to say about Afghanistan, too, in order to get elected.
But we were very very wrong, apparently, or else we were right and the power structure in Washington has threatened President Obama, or "brainwashed" President Obama. It's hard for me to believe that, if he were able to do what he truly wants to do, President Obama would bomb Afghanistan instead of sending carpenters, nurses, teachers, and business development experts.
In the article, just filed tonight, [Sibel] Edmonds reveals details overheard on wiretaps she translated during her time at the FBI, just after 9/11. Her disclosures to the Times reveal a maze of nuclear black market espionage involving U.S. Defense and State Department officials, that resulted in the sale and propagation of nuclear secrets to Turkish and Israeli interests. In turn, that information was then sold to Pakistan and used by A.Q. Kahn for development of nuclear weapons. The secrets were subsequently proliferated to Iran, Libya, North Korea, and potentially al-Qaeda's Osama bin Laden, just weeks prior to September 11th, 2001.
Do you deny JFK could never have effectively governed. We would argue he did until of course, THEY killed him...
This has been posted here countless times, but I want to post it again, since it's what we Proud Liberals consider one of the best definitions of BEING LIBERAL. Please share it liberally.
These paragraphs are from John F. Kennedy's speech on 9/14/60 accepting a second nomination in his Presidential campaign, from the New York Liberal Party. (For the full text, see http://bit.ly/88tcP5 )
...What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label, "Liberal"? If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal."
But, if by a "Liberal," they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people - their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties - someone who believes that we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say that I'm a "Liberal.
>> Zero G. December 3rd, 2009, 10:43 am
>> Now, if pipelines through areas benefitted those areas, maybe they wouldn’t be attacked.
>> Historically though, the extractive industries extract the wealth and resources.
Yes... and whoever is in power. In Pakistan, it's the Punjabi ultrarich power families and their legion of cronies.
I've spent a fair amount of time in that region and have never seen a mega project help the locals.
Here's the problem -- a true liberal could never effectively govern now or in the foreseeable future. However, a true conservative can.
It's unfair and infuriating, but that's political reality.
Reagan and the Bush's are further right than Kucinich is left -- yet if Kucinich where president every single one of his initiatives would be blocked. He'd also likely veto nearly every bill that crosses his desk!
The government would go into complete stalemate -- which ends up being a vote for the status quo.
So, given that reality, the best we liberals can hope for are pragmatists like Clinton and Obama.
I'm a middle age liberal and I'm happy if my president at least isn't beating the crap out of America -- and Obama is far better than that.
Here is an example of how craven and disgustingly ineffective our Congress can be: Just days after the Salahi kerfuffle, three Secret Service Agents have been suspended and hearings have already begun. Eight years after Bush and Cheney tricked us into war and.....? Who are the real impostors here? The Salahis or these buffoons we've elected to office? Disgusting.
Food Fascist,
Great thoughts! I will try to adapt them to my life.
Perhaps the answer is ....Ohmmmmmmm.......c'omeon everybody sing along!
Well- there was a major protest in Los Angeles, I have put protests together in the past from my secret bunker which remains undisclosed publically, however, put no protest together yet as I am wall to wall just making a living right now and primarily blogging. My biggest campaign right now is getting listener's to Thom's and other progressive shows whenever I get a breath. I have turned into a 24/7 activist though, its a part of me now. I envision a candle of light that I become every minute of the day, so no matter what I am doing, I am radiating light. Now...we need to find those in the dark,, scoop them up and encourage them into the light. Yesterday, for example, I wrote the President of TeaParty.org and gave him links to Thoms show and encouraged him to listen and that I had heard on the program that Thom would like us to engage them and find common ground.
IF I am all wrong and the laws of the Tao with regards to polarity are correct however, every time we create a Mother Theresa, we also create a Charles Manson - so I do not want to be self righteous and like Roger Daltry of the Who sings -and if I ........... .......... ....before if I smile and act like a fool .....oh somebody help me with the lyrics here...
Diversity must be enjoyed, but how do we embrace the afeared, so that they no longer do such heinous acts!
@zero g lol on the song!
Loretta,
The demonstration at the Federal Building in Los Angeles numbered in the hundreds.
When you see how horrible Americans have it you just have to wonder how Republicans are allowed to complain that the minimum wage is too high. I would like to see any ONE of them live on minimum wage let alone a family. Many single mothers only have that option for work. I support a Living Wage and hope that eventually Progressive's will make that an issue after we get Health Care.
Thanks to Food Fascist I just found a link to Jello Biafra doing Phil's "Love Me"
http://www.last.fm/music/Phil+Ochs/_/Love+Me,+I'm+a+Liberal
Food Fascist, yeah.. now what? that's what we are all trying to figure out, huh. That was a pretty wimpy war protest last night. How about you?
@ loretta
You say it all....
But we were very very wrong, apparently, or else we were right and the power structure in Washington has threatened President Obama, or “brainwashed” President Obama. It’s hard for me to believe that, if he were able to do what he truly wants to do, President Obama would bomb Afghanistan instead of sending carpenters, nurses, teachers, and business development experts.
Now what?
While I believe that leadership in the White House is confined from acting in the behalf of America's citizenry by relying the staff they have put in place, I place greater blame on the leadership on the Hill. Between Pelosi in the House and Reid in the Senate we have a real problem to pursuing a progressive agenda. Both vote liberally BUT are lead by the more recessivist folk in their respective bodies rather than actually leading. Frankly, this would less objectionable if either or both of them were even marginal managers. If they can’t lead AND can’t manage they should abdicate their respective positions.
This is about the power of the buck over the power of flesh and blood.
@Zero G - is the soundtrack for those words like Madonna's - "like a Virgin" ?
The "Gift" of Giving
I participated in "Meals on Wheels" and other community volunteer work for years. Recently, I've come up with a new "charity" outlet. I have alot of Republican neighbors, some of whom are incredibly petty. I have decided that, instead of getting peeved at their antics, I will try to do something positive or thoughtful for them whenever I can and without any expectation of reward or thanks from them. 'Makes me feel better and leaves them happier, too (or at least confused! LOL)
L Grace,
I understand your realistic memory of President Obama's promises about Afghanistan but I think the problem is that there is a tacit assumption that Presidential candidates must speak from both sides of their mouths at times in order to get elected. Because of campaign financing issues we have all come to accept the fact that people we back may be lying to "the other side", just as the other side has lied to us, in order to get elected.
I believe that many progressives felt President Obama was merely talking tough about Afghanistan, just as he was framing other policies in ways that would be acceptable to less progressive voters. We were seriously deluding ourselves, obviously, but in the insane campaign practices we live under today our delusion is understandable. I feel we really felt that President Obama, with his compassion and wisdom on so many other important issues, was surely saying what he needed to say about Afghanistan, too, in order to get elected.
But we were very very wrong, apparently, or else we were right and the power structure in Washington has threatened President Obama, or "brainwashed" President Obama. It's hard for me to believe that, if he were able to do what he truly wants to do, President Obama would bomb Afghanistan instead of sending carpenters, nurses, teachers, and business development experts.
Love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal...Phil Ochs
L Grace- you did not answer my question about JFK
@Richard Yeah! and if he won't do it- we will. Even if it takes us to infinity.
Why isn't A. Q. Khan in prison?
Maybe this is why:
from: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5518
In the article, just filed tonight, [Sibel] Edmonds reveals details overheard on wiretaps she translated during her time at the FBI, just after 9/11. Her disclosures to the Times reveal a maze of nuclear black market espionage involving U.S. Defense and State Department officials, that resulted in the sale and propagation of nuclear secrets to Turkish and Israeli interests. In turn, that information was then sold to Pakistan and used by A.Q. Kahn for development of nuclear weapons. The secrets were subsequently proliferated to Iran, Libya, North Korea, and potentially al-Qaeda's Osama bin Laden, just weeks prior to September 11th, 2001.
@LGrace: We are not beating up on Obama . . . We are just asking him to do his farging job.
>> Food Fascist December 3rd, 2009, 10:55 am
>> Waoh Gracie – now we see your true colors…
You do? Tell me what they are!
I'm a liberal -- surely left of Obama. But I'm a resigned realist about what's possible in America until we take the money out of politics.
Bye for real, now.
You want to take that statement back L. Grace
Do you deny JFK could never have effectively governed. We would argue he did until of course, THEY killed him...
This has been posted here countless times, but I want to post it again, since it's what we Proud Liberals consider one of the best definitions of BEING LIBERAL. Please share it liberally.
These paragraphs are from John F. Kennedy's speech on 9/14/60 accepting a second nomination in his Presidential campaign, from the New York Liberal Party. (For the full text, see http://bit.ly/88tcP5 )
...What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label, "Liberal"? If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal."
But, if by a "Liberal," they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people - their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties - someone who believes that we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say that I'm a "Liberal.
@LGrace: Obama is further right than Kuncinich is left.
Well I gotta go. By y'all.
I just want to add again -- don't throw Obama under the bus! He's the best we can realistically hope for.
Work for total public financing of elections instead of beating up Obama.
Waoh Gracie - now we see your true colors...
"Here’s the problem — a true liberal could never effectively govern now or in the foreseeable future. However, a true conservative can."
Liberals are the 'A' students in the class room. the other 90 percent eventually see as we do- but after many reincarnations.
>> Zero G. December 3rd, 2009, 10:43 am
>> Now, if pipelines through areas benefitted those areas, maybe they wouldn’t be attacked.
>> Historically though, the extractive industries extract the wealth and resources.
Yes... and whoever is in power. In Pakistan, it's the Punjabi ultrarich power families and their legion of cronies.
I've spent a fair amount of time in that region and have never seen a mega project help the locals.
Here's the problem -- a true liberal could never effectively govern now or in the foreseeable future. However, a true conservative can.
It's unfair and infuriating, but that's political reality.
Reagan and the Bush's are further right than Kucinich is left -- yet if Kucinich where president every single one of his initiatives would be blocked. He'd also likely veto nearly every bill that crosses his desk!
The government would go into complete stalemate -- which ends up being a vote for the status quo.
So, given that reality, the best we liberals can hope for are pragmatists like Clinton and Obama.
I'm a middle age liberal and I'm happy if my president at least isn't beating the crap out of America -- and Obama is far better than that.
Here is an example of how craven and disgustingly ineffective our Congress can be: Just days after the Salahi kerfuffle, three Secret Service Agents have been suspended and hearings have already begun. Eight years after Bush and Cheney tricked us into war and.....? Who are the real impostors here? The Salahis or these buffoons we've elected to office? Disgusting.