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  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    P.S.: In relation to my post about Scarborough and Eisenhower above and for people who may not know:

    Mohammed Mossadegh was the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran in the early 1950s. He ran afoul of the western powers when he decided to nationalize Iranian oil because Britain was taking an unfair share of the profits. This upset the Brits who asked President Harry Truman to help them get rid of the Mossadegh government. Truman said, “No.”

    The Brits asked again when our hero Dwight Eisenhower became president. He said, “Okie Dokie,” and the CIA engineered the overthrow of Mossedegh and the installation of the playboy Shah of Iran who had been partying it up in Europe. Decades of brutal rule ensued. The Shah’s secret police, the SAVAK, trained by the U.S. and Israel, were infamous for their brutality.

    Jacobo Arbenz Guzman, usually referred to as Arbenz was the democratically elected president of Guatemala. He was liberal, but not as liberal as Franklin Roosevelt. He was ousted in a CIA organized coup. He got on the wrong side of our country when his government decided to buy some of the vast unused land holdings of United Fruit Company, the largest landowner in Guatemala, with 85% of its holdings uncultivated. The Guatemalans decided this unused land could be used to grow food to feed their country.

    To determine what they should pay for the land, they looked at how the United Fruit Company valued the land on its tax returns. Well, it seems that the United Fruit Company listed the land at a very low value so they could pay very low taxes. The Guatemalan government offered to pay United Fruit Company the value they listed on their tax returns. United Fruit Company wasn’t very happy. That made Eisenhower unhappy, so he told the CIA to get rid of Arbenz, which they did in 1954. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Guatemalans were killed and tortured in the following decades. The United States and the repressive Guatemalan government have been on pretty good terms since then.

    One of my big issues with Thom Hartmann is that he knows about these incidents and many more, but he refuses to include this information in his views on this country and its foreign policy. But these things are important because the U.S. has been doing this for quite a while.

    Reading recommendations: “The People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn, “Overthrow” by Stephen Kinzer (a very middle of the road journalist), and “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” by John Perkins. Thom knows all these books, but it seems he can’t handle these truths.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    When I type in www.dealeyplaza.net I get re routed to http://www.jfk.org/ is this right?

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Quark,

    I didn't base my comment about Scarborough on today's interview. I based it on what I've heard from him on TV. There was a time, when he was speaking out against the Iraq war when he seemed to be becoming reasonable, But after a while, he started slipping to the right again. It was like someone whispered something in his ear.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    What was the website for the Harvey J Kaye, Thomas Paine Promise of America?

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    People of Nebraska and Louisana (Nelson and Landrieu) please get on your senators case about the public option. Call or go to their office if you have to. This is going to be a huge battle and we need your help.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    One thing ignored and unexplained about JFK's assassination is the video clip showing the secret service being told to stand down and get off JFK's limo as it took off on its route...the one where the SS agent throws his arms out in disbelief as he was told to get off the car where he was "supposed" to stand. Only the SS had the authority to remove him at that moment. Hope your guest will explain that.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    I too was impressed with what little I heard from Joe Scarborough. He reminded me of the republican party I once knew.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Mary Landrieu's phones were busy so I sent her the following email even though I know she will never read it.

    Because of you opposition to single payer, or any public option for health insurance that would benefit the poor people of your state whom you obviously care little about, I will be sending a campaign to your opponent in your next election. I am a real Democrat and having said that, I will send a donation to your Republican opponent should you survive a primary just to remove you from office.

    You are a female Benedict Arnold.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    thom, what are the tricks that conservitives do to get their books to #1 on the new yorks times best sellers list? i once heard they buy their own books in bulk.then some conservitive websites give them out as gifts if you buy the websites magazine.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Onit2day and B Roll,

    I need to listen to the Scarborough segment again. I must have missed much of what you heard.

    I guess the absense of shouting (from Joe) lulled me into a false sense of contentment! (LOL)

    Thom,

    Mary Landreau has not been a particularly reliable Democrat in the past. This is more of the same behavior.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Joe Scarborough still is a right wing crazy on his show.

    How hard was it to be "right on Katrina"? Is this the limbo? The bar keeps getting lower and lower.

    Dwight Eisenhower overthrew Mossadegh in Iran for the sake of British Petroleum and overthrew Arbenz for the sake of the United Fruit Country.

    I dislike Ike.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Medicare is a deficit only because the elderly and disabled (biggest users of health care ins) are the only ones allowed. If we had Medicare for all it would always be solvent. You let Scarborough get away with his ignorant propaganda of how will we pay for it...Medicare will be bankrupt blah blah blah. The "big decisions" Joe is stopping the profiteering from greedy private ins. We'd have no problem paying for Medicare for all as it would amount to less than 10% of what we are currently paying AND include dental. A $1.7 Billion CEO package goes along way in covering the uninsured.

    Are you getting too busy to prepare for your guests Thom? If Joe Scarborough has one moment of clarity he thinks he's a genius. Leaders of both parties are members of the "Money Party". Joe is an idiot and nothing he said was anymore than appeasement. Medicare for all is single payer not for profit and Joe is furthest away from ending the profiteering as possible. You don't know Joe or you would know how full of shit he is...he is an embarrassment and is willfully ignorant...just question him and you'll see. Thom you are so easily mislead in your desire to avoid conflict. Joe is a blatant idiot and you gave him a pass.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Thom,

    I was pulled out (1 of 4 people chosen from our high school) as a gifted student, too. Every year we went to the UW-Madison (WI) to take tests and be interviewed. Nothing ever came of it, though. (There was no early graduation allowed.)

    BTW, I was pleasantly surprised to hear Joe Scarborough sound so rational. 'Gives me some hope.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    What I will think about when I hear Joe Scarborough . . .

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/reort_before_congressi...

    Yes, everyone requires a vigorous defense BUT somethings are less than defensible.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Thom,

    I don't think you're realistic about the heyday of American capitalism. You often say tht the United States used to be an importer of raw materials and an exporter of manufactured goods. You say that like that was a good thing.

    It may have been a good thing for the American economy and American workers may have benefited from it, but it relied on getting the raw materials from other countries at low prices which meant the impoverishment of the masses of people in those countries.

    Maybe Hugo Chavez should give you a copy of Eduardo Galeano's "The Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent". The story is in the subtitle.

    I think you refuse to accept the fact that capitalism, which developed in Europe and North America first, was built on pillaging the human and natural resources Africa, Asia (including South Asia) and the Americas. To a large extent, it still does so, even though some of the most dynamic capitalist economies are now based in Asia. They still get their resources from the less developed countries of the South and often set up factories in those areas.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Would not it be easier for us progressives to take over the Republican party ! lol- sorry, I jest- but then....as George Bernard Shaw said, there is no such thing as a joke.

    Please have the ilk of Morning Joe on again. He seemed at least a reasonable person.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    listening to newt gingrich speech yestday. after the speech i felt that you must be a christian to be a member of the rebulican party.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    did raegan every balance a budget? hell no

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    hey jo didn't raegan spend and spend on star wars. didn't regain put us in debt. it wasn't just bush its a conservitive thing spend lower taxes and put us in debt.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    Thom,

    I'm baffled about what you are cynical about at times.

    You talked about the right using electronic voting machines to maniupulate election results. OK, I'm with you there.

    Then you talk about a situation in South Dakota (I think) in which a an alleged voting machine glitch added 500 votes in a precinct with 800 voters. You expressed your cynicism by say something like, "Yeah, a glitch."

    I know people don't always think out their scams very well, but it doesn't make sense to jack up the vote by over 60% in a place where it would easily be noticed, which it was. What would the point be. If it was a test run, it could easily be tried out in private. It wouldn't take very long for a few people to cast 800 votes in a real life simulation.

    The idea of pulling an electoral scam is to be able to get away with it. Of course, you could say that the idea was to get caught to get the public accustomed to the idea that that voting machines fail.

    My frog... they're so brilliantly devious. How can we ever beat them!!!

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    also read naomi kleins shock doctrine to learn more on milton freidman.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    if you want to understand milton freidman check out a youtube titled milton freidman and greed.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    RE Panetta's pronouncement today on torture picts & video . . . :

    "Too big to fail" means the trust-busters need to do their job.

    "Too dangerous to release" means the legal system needs to do its job.

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    You can see the Republicans ramping up their faux populist propaganda. This morning, Nora O'Donnell questioned House Minority Whip Eric Cantor on MSNBC. Cantor said that the stimulus package was not addressing the needs of small business as well as the massive loss of jobs in this country (plus creating unsustainable debt.)

    I nearly fell off my chair! When did the Republics (in recent memory) seem to care about those basic national issues?

    O'Donnell corrected a few of Cantor's more outrageous statements. Nevertheless, I was chilled to hear Cantor take on this populist mantel.

    Here's an example of the rhetoric:

    Obama's disapproval rating on the economy has risen from 30 percent in February to 42 percent, according to a Gallup poll completed May 31. Sensing weakness on a signature issue of Obama's presidency, congressional Republicans are renewing their criticisms that the stimulus plan has not shown results, only mounting debt.

    "This is President Obama's economy, and his administration must provide results and specifics rather than vague descriptions of success that seem to change by the week," said House Republican Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia. "The administration looks dramatically out of touch as they highlight the creation of temporary summer employment in the face of job losses unseen in decades, record unemployment and massive deficits."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31183772/

  • June 9th 2009 - Tuesday   10 years 22 weeks ago

    'WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER' is the ad that runs at various times for Michigan. This is done by Gov Granholm and others to pull the people of Michigan together. It can also work for all of the nation.

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