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  • Gun Lobby Shills Ask For More Surveillance Instead Of Needed Gun Control   1 day 17 hours ago

    Wow Thom..
    You hit this one out of the park!!
    This should be an interesting 24 hours of posts in response...

    Its the sick and painful truth!!

  • Trump Won't read His Daily Intelligence Briefings - In Order to Get Him to Read - Should We....   1 day 17 hours ago

    He doesn’t need to read them, his friend Putin will let him know when he can read those

  • The Original American Sin – Might Makes Right   1 day 18 hours ago

    Donald:

    I have just finished reading a fine essay by playwright John Steppling. He takes his title, as you probably recognize, from one of two books by Thomas Cathcart and Daniel Klein. I thought you’d appreciate Steppling's essay, other TH bloggers might as well. Find it here:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/20/trump-putin-and-nikolas-cruz-walk-into-a-bar/

    Trump, Putin, and Nikolas Cruz Walk Into a Bar…

    February 20, 2018 by JOHN STEPPLING

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 18 hours ago

    Legend, Obama spend billions on failed enviromental projects like Solyndra, No new roads, bridges, or any real changes in infrasture. Trump is spending it on hard working Americans. Everyone gets a tax break and all that money will pour back into the economy. Obama just gave it to a few of his buddies.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 19 hours ago

    # 30
    Form millitias? LOL!!
    Maybe 200 years ago..

    Give me fuckn break!!!
    When the shit hits the fan...
    The only enemy we'll be using our "guns" on is..
    EACH OTHER!!!

    And lets not forget.. Our Constitution was written by the "aristocrats" of the then British colonies. These men were the wealthy,land owning, slave owning 1% of the colonies!
    Im not really sure what they meant by "We the People"?!?
    Because they sure weren't talking about women..
    Or men who didnt own land..
    And they sure as hell..weren't talking about the "black people",that they considered their property!!

  • A challenge to Thom on Guns   1 day 19 hours ago
    Quote gumball:
    Quote Alberto Ceras 2:

    Right now the real and potential death and injury of young school children urgently needs addressing. A ban on the sale and possession of AR-15 style weapons might, almost certainly would, reduce the risk to those young people.

    Columbine was done with shotguns and handguns. Virginia Tech was done by handguns. It is not as if the AR-15 itself drove the shooters to do their crime.

    A ban on AR-15 style weapons might reasonably include a ban on semi-automatic handguns such as were used in the Columbine and Virginia Tech killings.

    Columbine Klebold was equipped with a 9×19mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine. Klebold primarily fired the TEC-9 handgun for a total of 55 times.

    Virginia Tech Cho used two firearms during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun.

    [QUOTE]

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/australias-gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds

    Australia's gun laws stopped mass shootings and reduced homicides, study finds

    Reforms still having positive effect 20 years on, as landmark study shows accelerated reduction in rates of suicide and homicide deaths caused by firearms

    He said the researchers had chosen to publish the results in an American medical journal not just because the title was a prestigious one, but also because the findings would have a greater impact.

    However, he does not believe the findings will have an impact on gun ownership laws in the US.

    “The US is a good example of where evidence is going to take longer to prevail over fear and ideology,” he said.

    “When people like [Republican candidate] Donald Trump talk about gun violence, he’s essentially not talking about the facts or the evidence, he’s talking about ideology and saying people want the right to protect themselves and their homes.

    “The irony is the person you have to protect yourself most from in a home is the person who owns the gun.”

    Chapman said more than half of those who had conducted mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand had been licensed gun holders.

    A co-author of the paper, Associate Professor Philip Alpers, who is also the founding director of GunPolicy.org, said it was “amazing” that the reforms were still having a positive effect 20 years after they were first introduced.

    “When these laws came in the hope was they would curb mass shooting, but what we didn’t realise was the laws would be followed by huge changes in other types of shootings, particularly in suicide,” he said.

    “The breadth of the change was unexpected. But in America, things will get worse before they get better. In Australia we had a government that was prepared to act, and what [the then prime minister] John Howard did amounted to the confiscation of private property.

    “You just can’t imagine the US ever seeing that as feasible.”

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  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 20 hours ago

    Legend, & anyone else who wishes to,

    Please go back to my post at #14 Greg Palast ...He asked a very important question, Do you hate Trump enough to.....

    If you wouldn't mind I would like your response. And most everyone on the left knows who Palast is and that he is not at all on the right.

    I read Palast & Thom because as I've said many times in these posts, that up until Hillary I voted a straight Dem ticket my entire voting life. I've never had the stomach for Bush, Cheney et al. but the left really went to far with Hillary.

  • "Christian Conservative" - What an Oxymoronic, political label, indeed!   1 day 20 hours ago

    LOL...yeah its almost as bad as progressive christian.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 21 hours ago

    Response to # 26:

    Cowardice is not going to work. The dupes of the right are to blame for the loss of our democracy and declining quality of life in the U.S. and around the world. If you think a species can survive by cannablizing it's own for greeds sake and power-lust you're truely ignorant.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 21 hours ago

    Response to #23 & 26:

    Gun ownership wasn't put into our Constitution for the the sake of hunting. Nor was the right to form "millitias" put in for hunting. These precepts are their because the founding writers of our nation knew that money and power corrupts and must be resisted to preserve a democracy. George Washington wrote " no democracy can last as long as a standing army exists". Now that's insight and was prophetic. School shootings are a result of a society that teaches violence as a normal response for unhappiness and self indulgence above all, as virtures. Coupled with economic and civil injustice we've allowed our society (promoted by the aristocracy) to digress into a divided and distopic state. The "cure" is not going to be easy or painless. History truely repeats itself, but doesn't have to.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 21 hours ago
  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 21 hours ago

    Interesting that nobody can answer my question in post #3. So Diane cannot even take a stab as to what the rights of the dead and injured students are. She comes up with a list of ridiculous security suggestions for schools. Every one? But ignores the Las Vegas Concert scenario. Something is going to have to be done to control weapons and their users. There has been a school shooting every 60 hours in 2018.

    Register all guns.

    Insure guns.

    Require gun locks.

    Place a high tax on guns and ammo that provides medical insurance for those that are injured by guns in illegal shootings.

    Database for how many guns people own.

    Database alert for large ammo purchases.

    Allow Psychiatrists to immediately put someone on a watch list and have guns taken away and not allow the purchase of guns.

    Just a few for starters

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 21 hours ago

    "Hard work", the mantra sold as the norm for what is expected of a labor force that still works 40-plus hours a week and where unemployment remains in the millions, counted and uncounted. Unless a secure and untamperable vote along with protections for registered voters from being "kicked-out" of the voter rolls happens, it will take a militant action to get our democracy back.

    We are long over due for a Constitutional Congress to be called. Even then, getting the laws we need to bring a peaceful and prosperous society back will be difficult. The "deep state" which works for the aristocracy and the money the rich will spend to preserve the status quo, is going to make these needed changes bloody. Hopefully, we can remove some of these bad elements in the aristocracy/plutocracy from our world.

    "Live long and prosper"

  • Fox News: Is Social Security to blame for so many men dying at 62?   1 day 21 hours ago
  • A challenge to Thom on Guns   1 day 21 hours ago

    The AR 15 has been around for over 50 years. Semi automatic firearms have been around since the late 1890's. The availability of guns has tightened over the last century and you can no longer buy one at a hardware store or order one through the Sears catalog and kids can no longer bring them to school and store them in their lockers as they once did.

    So what has changed that drives these kids to do what they do?

    Violent graphic electronic games, social media putting pressure on some specific less popular groups, ultra violent Hollywood movies, free dispensing of psychotropic drugs, and lack of parents getting involved in their kids lives.

    Think about that for awhile.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 22 hours ago

    Rick Steve. You ask an unanswerable question and you know that so a rational response is impossible and will not be given. Now school kids do have a right to be protected because they are required to attend school.

    I like the Israeli method of protecting kids in school.

    1. One entrance only protected by a armed soldier(s). Trained armed anonymous teachers as we have currently in 18 states is also a big plus.

    2. No one gains entrance without proper credentials.

    3. A fence surrounding the school to prevent attacks by vehicle.

    4. Profile everyone just as they do with their airlines.

    @#20 & #23 Arguing with know it all individuals that have their heels dug in is a waste of both of our times. As I stated before, if you look at my provided links they will inform you of very hard documented facts that destroy ill informed leftie/socialist memes. As far as you being afraid of guns or not I could care less. I have been dealing with malcontent bloviating leftie/socialists for years and not much bothers me so have at it.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 22 hours ago

    Kend, and you are the one that rips Obama for deficits.

  • The Steady Gentrification of the Left   1 day 23 hours ago
  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   1 day 23 hours ago

    legend I am just saying, the last election the Dems focused on LGBTQ, and attacking Trump for whatever anyone said proven or not. What you don't get is most Americans could care less about that crap. They want a job and a good wage. Exactly what is happening now. What are you all still focused on, Russians. A ghost. Wake up. "So Trump says some questionable things who cares I clear $200 a week more" that are all that matters to the average person trying to make a living.

  • A challenge to Thom on Guns   1 day 23 hours ago
    Quote Alberto Ceras 2:

    Right now the real and potential death and injury of young school children urgently needs addressing. A ban on the sale and possession of AR-15 style weapons might, almost certainly would, reduce the risk to those young people.

    Columbine was done with shotguns and handguns. Virginia Tech was done by handguns. It is not as if the AR-15 itself drove the shooters to do their crime.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   2 days 13 min ago

    I was raised in a family that enjoys the sport of hunting. And we all own guns. Mostly long guns. And almost all of them for hunting game. NONE of my guns have 20+ round magazines. You absolutely dont need it for hunting.
    And yes... I'd have a real problem giving up my guns.

    That being said..
    I do believe we as Americans should be able to own firearms. But, the ownership should come as a privilege. NOT A RIGHT!
    There should be firearm safety schooling, testing and licensing before ownership is allowed. And then there should be strict, uniform,
    Nationwide background checks, with a 10-14 day waiting period, before you can take possession of ANY firearm.
    My god... Its harder to get a drivers license than it is to purchase and own a gun!
    And the" gun show loophole" drastically needs to be eliminated!! Anybody...and l mean ANYBODY, can virtually buy anything they want at gun shows, with almost no oversight.. For over 40 years, I've been to countless gun shows, in numerous states. And they're all basically the same.. It doesn't matter who you are. Or what state of mind your in. If you got enough "green" in your pocket.. You can walk out with anything!

    And I've NEVER joined the NRA! And l never will. They do NOT represent me as a gun owner at all! In fact, they're not here to represent any gun owner!! But, they've sure done a beautiful job of suckering-" Joe and Jane sixpack" into believing they do... When in reality... They're an extremely powerful, extremely dangerous, and absolutely huge lobbying group! And its sole purpose, is to represent the gun, and ammunition manufacturers!!
    Buying up politicians with their corrupt, corporate, dark money..
    Repealing, removing, and deregulating our gun laws nationwide..
    And insuring the insane proliferation of firearms for no other reason than greed and corporate profits!!

  • The Original American Sin – Might Makes Right   2 days 16 min ago

    Hi Alberto,
    ​Thanks for directing me to your dicussion. After reviewing the postings, I'm not sure the debate is all that "healthy," mostly people screaming past each other. But thanks for trying. We cannot let this continue to define America. We are certainly better than this.

  • Thom Hartmann: We Live in a Country That Has a Totally Corrupted Political System   2 days 50 min ago

    Diane, How about answering the question in Post #3.

    Kend, How conveient that you left out the next sentence when you cut and pasted. "At least it had an affect." The email thing was another Republican Party/Fox News manufactured crisis, just like BENGHAZI!!!!!!! Where are Bush and Cheney's emails? Where are any of Bush Cheneys Sectratary of State emails? The Republicans have lived of of manufactured scandels and Fox News making a huge deal about it.

  • The Original American Sin – Might Makes Right   2 days 1 hour ago

    Thanks for the thoughtful post, Donald. Perhaps the "healthy debate" going on following this TH comment is what you had in mind. Join in.

    https://www.thomhartmann.com/users/gumball/blog/2018/02/challenge-thom-guns

  • A challenge to Thom on Guns   2 days 1 hour ago

    Yes, rs allen, the u.S. has been and continues to be guilty of many crimes leading to or abetting the brutal slaughter of millions upon millions of people.

    One thing at a time.

    Right now the real and potential death and injury of young school children urgently needs addressing. A ban on the sale and possession of AR-15 style weapons might, almost certainly would, reduce the risk to those young people.

    Worth noting:

    Study: States with more gun laws have less gun violence

    States with more gun laws ... across the country and increase federal funding to research on gunlaws ... in preventing firearms deaths ...

    www.usatoday.com" ">https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/07/gun-violence...

    Australia's gun laws stopped mass shootings and reduced ...

    Reforms still having positive effect 20 years on, as landmark study shows accelerated reduction inrates of suicide and homicide deaths caused by firearms

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/australias-gun-laws-sto...

    Click on the first site I've given below, examine Mother Jones' spread sheet, scroll over to column N that identifies the weapons of choice in these mass killings. A total ban on any and all of the semi automatic weapons similar to those used in these slaughters would almost certainly prevent further tragedies such as Las Vegas and Parkland.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0

    Mother Jones' Investigation: US Mass Shootings, 1982-2018

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map/

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

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Two Simple Laws Could Solve America's Epidemic of Violence

Two simple changes to U.S. law, both things based in other laws that we already know and like, could solve most of America's gun violence problem:

1. Treat all semi-automatic weapons in a similar way under the same laws as fully-automatic weapons.
2. Regulate gun ownership and usage the same way we regulate car ownership and usage.