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  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    God bless this woman for being a vigorous advocate for single-payer health care, but I think she's deluding herself if she thinks Max Baucus' statement that they "probably shouldn't have left single payer out of the discussion."

    I think Baucus' statement is just another tactic, while still avoiding the issue.

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Thomas Paine died on French soil cuz once the French Revolution was finishing up, he wanted to bring freedom to the world and the French country-side royalty, while happy that Paris got its come-uppings, felt that democracy was a terrible thing to be left in the hands of the people AND LOCKED HIS BUTT UP UNTIL HE DIED.

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Twice in the first two hours you talked about the need for tax reform on the top income brackets...
    People’s Lobby’s Fair Tax Bracket Reinstitution Act (FTBRA) starts fixing the tax code and escrows the funds to American World Service Corps voluntary service congressional proposals… but it needs public support, which you can garner for PLI’s congressional proposals by mentioning them specifically. Please mention and, so the public will start understanding that they can begin pushing the specific laws that are needed turn this from a nation moving toward the "landed rich" to a healthy community of doers…

    Key AWSC proposal is at

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    There was a genocidal maniac that was pro-Israel that is talked about in the Old Testament. This of course is the invisible entity in the sky known as god. As the Israelites sought the land of promise, they murdered and took the spoils of their wars from those who had different gods or other beliefs. This was done with the blessing of their god. The genocide against the palestinians is an ongoing example of their belief that they are special and that their lives have more value than their Arab brothers who in fact believe in the same god. This is nothing more than delusional at best. To tolerate this behavior is uncivilized. It's time to reign Israel in. I hope Obama has some success in the peace process.

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago


    your contempt for your listeners and your own grandiose belief in your superiority is growing to a level of an unhinged dictator. in one breath extolling the intelligence of your listeners all the while reaching for the cutoff button. i can't believe that when a caller calls in paralleling what's going on in the USA and what went on in NAZI Germany he gets dismissed out of hat. YOU YOURSELF HAVE WRITTEN A PAPER TITLED EXACTLY THAT!!! (or have you forgotten about WHEN DEMOCRACY FAILED: THE WARNINGS OF HISTORY?) you have a SEVERE l.i.s.t.e.n.i.n.g problem.

    it seems that the almighty Thom Hartmann is the only one "allowed" to highlight such parallels. pathetic hypocrisy at its best.

    and while we're on the subject of hypocrisy......NO KKKristian should EVER make fun of another's religion. so steeped in stupidity, fairytales and LIES is the bloodthirsty KKKristian death cult, that ANY indoctrinated participant and perpetuator of the zionist agenda and the Palestinian extermination would surely rot in your hell.

    your moral foundation is sooooooo fundamentally flawed and any "activism" that you may do as result is nothing more than building a house on the sand.

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago


    Thom serves on the board of Progressive Democrats for America

    I happen to love Charles Chamberlin also at

    Go there are start networking. If you call their offices, they should be able to hook you up-

    Go get em!

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago


    You left out an important fact in your reporting of the Supreme Court's decision to not hear the appeal on a "don't ask, don't tell" case. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the position of the administration of His Holiness President Barack Obama.

    Here's a link to an Associated Press article followed by the first paragraph of the article.

    By LARA JAKES, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court on Monday agreed with the Obama administration and refused to review Pentagon policy barring gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military.

    I guess all I can say is "Praise the frog."

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago


    I think the cost of college is SO prohibitive now, it is difficult for someone with no financial backing to afford it. Those who are working to pay for college often must do so over a much longer period of time than the traditional 4 years that college costs and worker wages used to make easier. I've known people who have worked to get through college and have become "burned out" due to working several jobs and studying hard to complete class work.

    My son, for example, is working full time as a mechanic and has, over a period of about 6 years, gotten his undergraduate degree. He also was a late starter, dropping out of high school and later getting a GED. He wants to go to med. school, but that will take a very long time to pay for and get through.

    Nicholas Kristof, in yesterday's NYTimes' "Week in Review" section, addresses the higher education issue from a slightly different approach:

    "Rising Above I.Q. "

    Here are some excerpts:

    'In the mosaic of America, three groups that have been unusually successful are Asian-Americans, Jews and West Indian blacks — and in that there may be some lessons for the rest of us.

    Asian-Americans are renowned — or notorious — for ruining grade curves in schools across the land, and as a result they constitute about 20 percent of students at Harvard College.

    As for Jews, they have received about one-third of all Nobel Prizes in science received by Americans. One survey found that a quarter of Jewish adults in the United States have earned a graduate degree, compared with 6 percent of the population as a whole.

    West Indian blacks, those like Colin Powell whose roots are in the Caribbean, are one-third more likely to graduate from college than African-Americans as a whole, and their median household income is almost one-third higher.

    These three groups may help debunk the myth of success as a simple product of intrinsic intellect, for they represent three different races and histories. In the debate over nature and nurture, they suggest the importance of improved nurture — which, from a public policy perspective, means a focus on education. Their success may also offer some lessons for you, me, our children — and for the broader effort to chip away at poverty in this country.

    Richard Nisbett cites each of these groups in his superb recent book, “Intelligence and How to Get It.” Dr. Nisbett, a professor of psychology at the University of Michigan, argues that what we think of as intelligence is quite malleable and owes little or nothing to genetics.'

    "A common thread among these three groups may be an emphasis on diligence or education, perhaps linked in part to an immigrant drive. Jews and Chinese have a particularly strong tradition of respect for scholarship, with Jews said to have achieved complete adult male literacy — the better to read the Talmud — some 1,700 years before any other group.

    One large study followed a group of Chinese-Americans who initially did slightly worse on the verbal portion of I.Q. tests than other Americans and the same on math portions. But beginning in grade school, the Chinese outperformed their peers, apparently because they worked harder.

    The Chinese-Americans were only half as likely as other children to repeat a grade in school, and by high school they were doing much better than European-Americans with the same I.Q.

    As adults, 55 percent of the Chinese-American sample entered high-status occupations, compared with one-third of whites. To succeed in a profession or as managers, whites needed an average I.Q. of about 100, while Chinese-Americans needed an I.Q. of just 93. In short, Chinese-Americans managed to achieve more than whites who on paper had the same intellect.

    What’s the policy lesson from these three success stories?

    It’s that the most decisive weapons in the war on poverty aren’t transfer payments but education, education, education. For at-risk households, that starts with social workers making visits to encourage such basic practices as talking to children. One study found that a child of professionals (disproportionately white) has heard about 30 million words spoken by age 3; a black child raised on welfare has heard only 10 million words, leaving that child at a disadvantage in school.

    The next step is intensive early childhood programs, followed by improved elementary and high schools, and programs to defray college costs.

    Perhaps the larger lesson is a very empowering one: success depends less on intellectual endowment than on perseverance and drive. As Professor Nisbett puts it, “Intelligence and academic achievement are very much under people’s control.” '

    BTW, is it surprising that Bill Gates would pay for the AEI study?

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    As a Jew and American, I wish to go on the record as stating that it would take a seriously drug-infested reading of the text of the speech to come up with that idea that Obama was equating the Holocaust and the conditions under which those who call themselves ‘Palestinians’ live.

    This is exactly the brand of happy horse hockey that is most un-useful.

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Virginia is holding the Democratic Primary (for Govenor) this Tuesday. Does anyone know a web site to list which candidates are (truly) progressive?

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    911 happened on the Republican's watch!

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    How come we have not caught Bin Laden? Yes!

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Brilliant Thom!

    You had me nervous for a moment because I thought you were going to trample on Obama for some reason, maybe because you are so nice to these folks like Scott who is obviously, the enemy of the Golden Age of Peace we could have.

    The thesis that President Obama's Cairo Speech swayed Lebanese voters to vote pro American is brilliant and true. The World loves President Obama and this takes hate as a tool away from these bizarre creepy fear mongers; those that truly do not love what America is all about.

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    People's Lobby's Fair Tax Bracket Reinstitution Act (FTBRA) starts fixing teh tax code adn escrows the funds to American World Service Corps voluntary service... but it needs public support, whidh you can garner for PLI's congressional proposals... Please mention and, so the public will start understanding that they can begin pushing the specific laws that are needed...

    Key AWSC proposal is at

  • THOM ON FIXED NEWS   10 years 33 weeks ago

    You're right ejohn, Our health care system is b.s., and Americans are on edge about it.

    If Obama can convince Congress to pass a bill that includes a strong public option, he will seal his fate in being reelected to a 2nd term. Anything less is nothing but a concession to the insurance companies and a slap in the face to the American people.

  • June 8th 2009 - Monday   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Obviously Obama is doing something right if he can piss two people who thrive on hate--Limbaugh and Bin Laden--at the same time. Odd--or maybe not--how those two have so much in common.
    The right-wing think-tank American Enterprise Institute just released a report funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation called “Diplomas and Dropouts,” which revealed that a large percentage of college students fail to graduate after six years. It is fair to say that the Institute has a class and racial agenda, but if its intent was to demonstrate that “unqualified” students who never graduate (like Bill Gates) should not be allowed in colleges and universities, the graduation rate of the University of Washington should be taken as a caution of how racist and classist assumptions get in the way of facts (and vice-versa).
    The UW, which amusingly likes to think of itself as the Stanford or Berkeley of the Northwest, has about 9 percent African-American, Native American and Latino students—or less if we subtract Latinos who classify themselves as Caucasian. Yet UW has only a 59 percent graduation rate after six years. Like all right-wing organizations and pundits, the AEI blames affirmative action for allowing “unqualified” students access to college (me, I dropped out of high school, joined the Army, got a GED, and later graduated in three years with honors from one of those universities with a perennial nationally-ranked football program). Unfortunately for the AEI, the “progressive” state of Washington passed the anti-affirmative action I-200; although under-represented minority enrollment initially decreased, they are back to previous levels. But the real problem with the right’s assumptions should be all too obvious: even if none of the under-represented minorities graduated, that still leaves 80 percent of non-graduates who are the supposed Caucasian and Asian geniuses. Arrogance is a poor substitute for aspiration.
    I have to admit that whenever I look from outside a UW campus library window, I see a lot of students who seem quite ordinary to me. It isn’t hard to suppose who has the best chance to succeed—anyone who is tall and white. But being short isn’t the only roadblock to success; in fact it is another thing that right-wing think-tanks get wrong: there is a glut of people with bachelor’s degrees—just in the wrong fields where there are few jobs tailored to them. Liberal Arts continue to be the most popular choice for degrees, and in our technological world, there are fewer and fewer American students obtaining degrees in the sciences and engineering. Because of the decreasing number of native students earning these degrees, foreign students and graduates are being imported to fill the need.
    The glut of college graduates (let alone those who don’t graduate) finds these people taking jobs that would normally be filled by high school graduates—and high school graduates are taking jobs that might otherwise go to people without them.
    Whether-or-not all of this is due to the fact that increasing majorities in the student population are women, or insufficient quality math and science education in K-12, or the over-use of computers as teaching aids, or as in this state the horrible under-funding of education (I once heard an old gentleman ask why should he vote for a school levy—he didn’t have any kids in school, as if he were never a kid) are matters of speculation. But it may be due to something else altogether. When I was a younger, kids were fascinated by the prospect of space exploration; man had walked on the moon, science books were filled with imaginings of self-sustaining cities in space, colonies on the moon, space-ships orbiting Jupiter by 2001. These possibilities seemed real, the next logical technological step. In 1929, man on the moon was sheer fantasy; in 1969 there seemed no limits to what man could do. Now, science texts have literally come back to Earth. We seem to have hit a technological dead-end, and space travel—which fired the imaginations of so many would-be scientists—is, in the year 2009, back to where it was in 1929—sheer fantasy.
    That is the reality. Right-wing organizations like the American Enterprise Institute bring only pre-ordained—and usually false—assumptions to the table to suit an unprogressive agenda.

  • THOM ON FIXED NEWS   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Way to edit it before Thom makes an ass out of himself! Rush is the "head" of the conservatives, not the Republicans. The reason Republicans are failing is because they are compromising their values. Obama will push Americans over the edge with this healthcare b.s. and seal his fate in the next election.

  • THOM ON FIXED NEWS   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Thom says more in 3 sentences than the right wing said in the whole discussion. I certainly hope the dimwit in the middle is right when he says Limbaugh is the voice of the Republican party.If his ratings go up who cares? The Rethugs will get 25% instead of 23%?

  • June 04 2009 show notes   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Saturday, 6/6/09 – Went to one of the national health care organizing meetings in Oakland CA today – waited to talk to Thom on Thursday, 6/4/09 – this is important:

    Thom said something about the insurance companies ripping you off or overcharging you in the Part D “donut hole.” --

    You need to make sure Thom knows the following: nothing and no one picks up the slack in the Part D prescription donut hole. I’m on my fourth Part D plan. Even a dishonest or greedy insurer would be appreciated right now for the gap but there isn’t any. You’re on your own. You’re stuck with the same plan for a year and if you’re in the gap, you pay it. Every year I have had to pay what feels like more than full price for three to nine months. I think I’m paying more than I did when I was without prescription coverage (temping or between jobs) because you’re not eligible for the discounts advertised by Wal-Mart and Walgreen’s. In fact, the bookkeeping is so sloppy, on two of the plans, I kept getting “threats” to deny me my medication(!) because it was too expensive and they wanted a medical justification for every refill – after I had switched plans! Add this to the limits on medical care with Medicare and Medicaid and it certainly isn’t a respectable model to use as Obama suggests for a universal care plan for all, without some corrections. At today's OFA (Organizing for America, outgrowth of Obama for America) organizing meeting, several others in my age group agreed about the rationing and restrictions on Medicare, not to mention Medicaid and the nightmare of paying for prescriptions and being threatened with denial ("You will no longer be allowed to receive .....") if a medication is "too expensive" or the Part D provider ceases to provide it!

    I have two non-generic medications both of which I was able to order from Canada for a third of what they cost here – in fact, they are probably available here but you’re just not given the opportunity to use them. Anyway, make sure Thom knows about the dreaded donut hole. No one – pharmacists, Part D providers, Medicare, is able to explain this. All I know is you start getting warnings almost as soon as the year starts – and presto-changeo, you’re almost at your “limit”. In fact, with the steadily decreasing number of Part D options in CA (I think it’s gone from 45 the first year I needed it to around 25 or 30 now), I picked two plans which claimed there was “no coverage gap” but began to dump me after six months or so and claimed they “never promised no coverage gap.” They lied, of course. But you can not call up the Medicare chart you used back then and it’s sometimes not possible to print it out at the time you pick your plan.

    I’m still working but there are seniors who have thousands of dollars a year in prescription costs and have no other resources. Without getting into a separate argument about FDA and whether or not the pharm companies have too much control over what gets approved by them, all I know is, in other countries, I’ve gotten medications (safe, no problems) over the counter that cost 50 to 100 dollars here and only by prescription.

  • THOM ON FIXED NEWS   10 years 33 weeks ago

    does it cost $ for those things? was social security intentionally destroyed by so called conservatives. do our reps on the hill except for the few souls willing to make a better world pool understand that Europe has the better plan for the future.

  • Friday...broadcasting live from the Talkers New Media Seminar 2009 in New York, NY   10 years 33 weeks ago


    It wasn’t the point of my post to say that there isn’t racism on the left. There are a variety of prejudices. I was responding to your depiction of the left as either ignoring Latinos or abusing them with populist propaganda.

    My post basically had two points. The first was to point out that there various factions, orientations and interests on the left and that you shouldn’t judge the left by commercial “progressive” radio or by the Thom Hartmann Show. If you listened to today's show, you heard Thom proudly admit that he’s closer to Pat Buchanan on immigration than to many other “progressive” radio talkers.

    You may have noticed that whenever I refer to commercial “progressive” radio I always put quotation marks around the word “progressive”. It’s because I don’t find it very progressive. It's mostly fairly moderate left side of the Democratic Party.

    The great majority of my post was devoted to telling you about what I consider real progressive (notice no quotation marks) alternatives, in case you aren’t aware of them. I devoted time and space to give you an idea of the diversity of the progressive progressive left (I intentionally used progressive twice).

    I did that because I felt you might enjoy and benefit from the hearing those perspectives. I’m not claiming that the sources I mentioned are perfect, but there’s a greater diversity of progressive opinions than what commercial “progressive” radio has to offer and it's far more progressive.

    To tell you the truth, I enjoy and appreciate much of your contribution to this site, in part because, as you said in one of your posts, you’re writing about a world that most of us aren’t familiar with. I happen to be far more familiar with it than most. And it’s long been my contention that different segments of our society have little understanding of the facts of life for members of other segments.

    On the other hand, I think you’re overly pessimistic about the state of (let’s call it) race relations in our society. I’m a baby boomer and it won’t be long before there will only be background radiation left from our big bang. In that time, I’ve seen so many changes in race relations and other aspects of personal and group relations.

    To sum up what I’ve seen, it’s been a seesaw back-and-forth process, with some groups getting along at one point and at odds at another time. But I’ve also seen that the direction seems to be towards more acceptance between groups. It's not as good as it should be and there’s no guarantee that there will be a happy harmonious resolution.

    Here are a few changes I’ve seen. I went to a high school that was a little over 40% Latino, a little under 40% white, close to 15% African-American and the rest was Asian. There was very little interracial dating or socializing. Now, when I go our class reunions, I find a lot of mixed marriages, especially between whites and Latinos. You never would have guessed that when we were in school. And you can go places in Southern California where it almost seems that interracial couples (of all mixes) are more the rule than the exception.

    In one of your posts, you said something along the lines that with the exception of people like Sonia Sotomayor and Barack Obama, there are few opportunities for blacks and Lationos. My observation is that, while the playing field isn’t even, there are more opportunities than you would think. I know many and know of many black and Latino professionals who have been able to take advantage of amazing opportunities.

    You can always find the negative side if you look for it and we should. But I think it's wrong to deny the progress that has occurred.

    I could go on and on, but I’ll finish with a few final points:

    You said that politicians have been scared away from immigration reform even though a majority of the public wants it. That indicates that a large number of whites want it. That undermines the picture you portray of an overarching racism in our society. I’m not saying that there isn’t racism or that it isn’t powerful, but I think it points to the kind of shifts I’ve indicated I’ve seen.

    You told about the reactions you saw in downtown Seattle when a small group of Latinos demonstrated for civil rights. You noted that there were no whites among them. Let me point out that the fact it was a small number of Latinos, indicates that there was some sort of social relationship between the people in this group.

    You also said they were either ignored or greeted with scowls or muttered hostility. I don’t find the ignoring of a small demonstration unusual. The people who came across it were involved in their own lives, so it’s not surprising they didn’t take time to pay attention. The muttered comments indicate a racial hostility and there’s no point denying that. As for the scowls, some certainly are what you perceived them to be, but your expectation of racial hostility may have influenced your perception in some cases. And I wonder what kind of expression might have been on your face when you encountered the gay rights demonstration you mentioned in another post. That’s not a swipe at you, but you have expressed animosity to both gay issues and the concerns of many women.

    I mentioned that Thom said he's closer to Pat Buchanan than to other liberal talkers on immigration. He may be right, but I think Buchanan's position is based a lot on racism, whereas I believe Thom's is strictly economic. But on gay rights and women's issues, the views you've expressed here are closer to Buchanan and other right wingers than to progressives. I hope that if you listen to some of the sources I recommended you might have a change of heart.

    Sorry about posting this after the end of the show and I hope you see it.

  • Friday...broadcasting live from the Talkers New Media Seminar 2009 in New York, NY   10 years 33 weeks ago



  • Friday...broadcasting live from the Talkers New Media Seminar 2009 in New York, NY   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Ridlin as a teenager . . . Never enough to do the trick. Had to watch eating grain products especially wheat. Wheat makes it worse.

    Pots of coffee, caffeine tabs and Mountian Dew in my twenties . . .

    Welbutrin . . . in my thirties . . . White noise laid over the feed back but the teeth felt like they were crawling.

    One or two B-100 vitamins a day and allergy meds . . . Seems to be doing the trick.

    Welcome to club ADHD.

  • Friday...broadcasting live from the Talkers New Media Seminar 2009 in New York, NY   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Senator Sanders...If we had more like you. It is a kinder cleaner mass murder letting people scrap for health care. The 20'000 per year that die can be much greater in my estimate.

  • Friday...broadcasting live from the Talkers New Media Seminar 2009 in New York, NY   10 years 33 weeks ago

    Listening to Senator Sanders and our need for election reform, I am reminded we have some of the best Senators and Representatives money can buy.

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