Water seeks it's own level. In the past the USA has served more as an Artesian Well than a lake ------- Times change.

You got to know when to hold em' , know when to fold em' , know when to walk away and know when to run.

You never count your money when your sittin' at the table, there'll be time enough for countin' when the dealins' done.

Kenny Rogers.

It's Been rainin' in the mountains and the river's on the rise

And we can't hardly reach the other side.

The Devil, he's in trouble ; I can see it in his eyes.

If you don't give him shelter, he'll have no place to hide.

Hoyt Axton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HjViaLiax2s

Thom,

Naomi is such a great and intelligent person that I think the right fears quite a bit giving too much exposure for her profound and prophetic words in many of her works including The Shock Doctrine which you did mention on the air.

It's too bad you didn't note that a week later after you had your interview with her, her DVD of the movie made of the "Shock Doctrine" is finally being released in the U.S. It's been available overseas in places like the UK for some time (over a year now). Note both of the Amazon.com listings for this film, one from their UK web site and the other the U.S. site. Note the "Date released" on the page.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shock-Doctrine-DVD-Mat-Whitecross/dp/B003NEQ7HU - (Amazon.co.uk - Aug 2, 2010)

http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine-Naomi-Klein/dp/B005CFBZAM/ - (Amazon.com - October 18, 2011 - tomorrow!)

This fits the pattern of another great film that she and her husband Avi Lewis did called "The Take", which documented the takeovers of factories by Argentinian workers that were allowed in Argentina by holes in their laws at the beginning of the last decade. It was only available from Canada and in other countries for a long time before they finally released it in the U.S. Many of us complained and lobbied this online. Probably why it didn't get the visibility it deserved too.

http://www.amazon.com/Take-Naomi-Klein/dp/B000CCD1X4/

http://www.amazon.ca/Take-Avi-Lewis/dp/B0006I0RPO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid... (on DVD in Canada January of 2005 vs. February of 2006 for U.S. release)

I and I'm betting many others lobbied hard during fund raising periods for FSTV and LINKtv to add this film to their documentary lineup in our comments ont he phone, email, etc. about the time when American workers got a lot of publicity when they occupied the Republic Windows and Doors factory in much the same way that Argentinians did. I'm betting that there were a few organizers of that occupation effort that were motivated by what Argentinians did and perhaps by Naomi and Avi's film as well.

Perhaps even the current momentous Occupy protests now have been in some degree motivated by these "occupations" of factories as well. Too bad you couldn't have asked her about this, and also asked her about the pattern of subtle censorship that she especially seems to prone to here.

It's the same kind of "censorship" I also believe happens in stores like Costco who serves many progressives with their decent treatments of their workforce, etc.. Though Costco has arguably a lot more progressive customer base than many of its competitors (certainly Sam's Club), it is notorious for being in the "overstock" food chain of right wing books that seem to have a lot of inventory to sell that find their ways in to their stores, while progressive books with only a few exceptions are largely ignored. You'd expect a book like the Shock Doctrine to be stocked there, but it wasn't.

Perhaps a good followup Conversation with Great Minds would be with Naomi's husband, Avi Lewis, who not only directed "The Take", but is a featured reporter for Al Jazeera's Fault Lines which also is shown on FSTV. Don't know if RT would let you interview someone tied to Al Jazeera on your RT show, but it would seem that for both RT and Al Jazeera to be really known as "alternative media" they shouldn't be playing those sort of games that the corporate media do that they are trying to provide an alternative for.

In addition to that, which, Teneraansis has spoken is the understanding that the people's shadow government, before it comes to the fore, must not think that the ones who occupy those positions are there for their own benefit, for whenever you work with any type of money system you will have people at all levels who become self-challanged in becoming power hungry and will abuse that right.

Positions in the shadow government of the people are only temporary. The men and women who occupy that government must realise that the police and military still work with the people and not for them. In this way they will be kept in line by the people as they temporarily carry out their tasks.

The shadow government is ONLY A TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT to take the people comfortably from the situation they find themselves in now (with governments who do not belong to the people but to the 1%), and the new system of the Purchase Order, of which will be explained later.

Remember, as you call on the governments in your country, the ones belonging to the 1%, to help you, you call upon the wrong people. THEY ARE NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE at all, therefore do not call upon them to fix anything for you, the people - YOU MUST FIX IT YOURSELVES.

Hello Rick (#2) and mstaggerlee. Let me comment on two items raised in your postings:

1) The anger against outrageous banking practices is now becoming visible throughout the world in OWS-type protests, and is fully justified. Banks indeed use their money-creation trick to loot people's real assets, thereby shifting legal ownership away from the people by foreclosing on all those defaulting on their loans. Bankers have never once pounded a single nail into any timber of all the homes they drive their owners out of. People build assests, not banks. Having said so, we must be careful not to burn down the house we live in unless we have another one to move into. Calling for a boycott of the banks is not the way to go, because if we block the people's access to their daily banking operations or encourage them to pull out all their deposits in cash - then what? From that point on many auto-deposits to pensioners, workers, etc. could not be made by governments and industry, and all banking activity for mere survival would be prevented. So a boycott out of the blue is not the answer.

How then can we lick the banking tyranny without kicking down the doors to our streetcorner banks? The banking system is a hierarchy, a pyramid-of-power system, controlled from the top down and forced from there upon the people. Therefore, to remedy this situation, as cygnus1 suggested, we need to set up first a people's (99%) parallel government backed by all police and military forces, and then proceed to expell all 1%'ers out of their positions of control throughout the banking and governmental systems. Only then will the transition from today's order of iniquity become replaced with a temporary system which will work in the interest of the people, and only then can all debts and mortgages safely become erased which are now being used to steal assets from the people to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Such a move will not include the destruction of buildings, computers and other infrastructure already in place. It will merely replace the people now running it in their own selfish interests with new ones on the basis of ethics and compassion for the people.

2) The people of the United States need to understand that see-saw'ing between Republicans and Democrats will not solve any of their political problems. The election of Obama is a classic example of the impotence of the U.S. electorate to effect a change for the better. The power structure of Washington has for a long time ceased to function in the interests of the people, but caters to all interests of the 1% who now legally own and control all assets stolen from the people by the money-trick which I explained in item 1). In my opinion no more elections ought to be held in the U.S. until the people have succeeded to set up their own government backed by the military and police forces. That's all I have to say at this time.

Remember when Obama told the banksters that he was the only thing standing between them and the pitchforks? Luckily for the banksters, much of the anger has subsided and the protests are civil.

In reply to post #2, from Rick in Canadia -

Voter Registration has become much more problematic here in the States lately, Rick. Thanx to ALEC, harsh penalties have been imposed in many states for any small error by any Voter Reg. organization. Even the venerable and honorable League of Women Voters have dropped their registration drives for the 2012 contest, rather than face these fines. And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone regarding the fate of ACORN! About the best anyone can do now is to tell their family and friends to register.

One man, one vote? Not if Goldman-Sachs, the Koch Bros. & ALEC have anything to say about it!

Right next to that book "Eye For An Eye" on www.archive.org is a 50+ minute collection of official US military film footage of the German death camps (the ones the Nazis ran). I heard them say several times that the victims were from many places in Europe and included some American soldiers as well. I don't remember hearing them ever say that these victims were mostly Jews. Although I'm sure they were.

But the gist is that it wasn't just the Jews who were the victims but included other non-Jews as well. Beyond that, though, one would be hard pressed to blame the Jews very much for setting up their own camps to give a little back to the Germans. But the modern-day Jews don't want this to be known for some reason. I guess they must think it takes away from their victimhood...or something. But then again, look what they have been doing to the Palestinians all these years since they stole the Palestinians land.

The lesson we should learn from this, though, is that atrocities can be carried out by anyone...no matter how "modern" and "civilized" you think we all are...it can happen here...maybe to us...or by us...because if you put history into perspective...it has happened over and over again since the holocaust. There have been many holocausts and atrocities carried out by those who see themselves as "civilized".

There is yet another film at that site that shows the atrocities carried out in Afghanistan while US soldiers were present...and let it happen...took no effort to intercede on behalf of the victims.....when thousands of Pashtun speaking victims were herded into air-tight shipping containers to die and others were taken into a field to be massacred just like the Nazis massacred so many people. This film stirred up a lot of concern at the Pentagon. Made a lot of people very nervous.

And then there are the Wikileaks films of the Bagdad helicopter massacre of the civilians and news reporters. And, there is yet another film from wikileaks that shows about a hundred civilians, many of those were children, being murdered by the US military. I don't think that film has been released yet.

Well, we dont need to go completely back to the 50's and 60's in regard to consciousness raising. It was alien to many of the first guard, not a part of them, it was like clothing or something they put on. Which is why it could also come off. But many of us born after that time have internalized it. Its real to us, as it was to the core of the first guard, its part of us, and so the criticism is not going to be a real deterrent.

And I agree, the "liberals" have failed to hold true to their principles. Although I personally see it as a function of "team spirit." Its strategy by the corporatists. Divide and conquer. If you heat people up into a frenzy of emotion, it diminishes their critical reasoning skills. The Democrats and liberals defend the indefensible from their own party because it is their "team" and they have to, having committed to that party and defended it.

Their pride is on the line, and its painful to admit that its not a "Republican" issue, its their guys too. But, this is an opportunity. Not a sad day. Looking at both parties clearly, and seeing them as the corporate puppets they have become is wonderful. There is no real shame in being fooled. It was a concerted and well executed propaganda war against the American people and our democracy.

Just be glad we are awake, and let go of "team" spirit. Stand on principles. Obama has failed us in terms of standing up for liberal principles. Torture, jailing people for life without trial, assassination of American citizens without trial, these are horrible, horrible things that liberals would have lost their minds had a Republican pushed through. Much like the enormous increase in spending under George W. would have inflamed conservatives had a Democrat done it.

Its all a game. Look past the red or blue jerseys with their little elephants and donkeys on them and look at the actions of the person wearing those jerseys. If you would not tolerate it coming from the other team, dont defend "your" team when they do it. Its how the whole two party scam works.

Nobody but the Pentagon and those they work for masterminded the downing of the towers. You are very correct in this entirely. The 1% and their workers, as I like to call them, of which the U.S. government is part and parcel of this agenda, continually co-conspire against nations in order to fullfill the agenda of Israel. Nobody need have enemies if they behave well toward one another, but as we all know, this is seldom the case.

Colonel Qadaffi opened his own bank with his own currency away from the World Bank and IMF and created his own water system to purify the water for the people and he intended upon sharing this invention with all of Africa of which he, was trying to unify.

Syria is being attacked within because Israel has long been after their "lake" (water systems). With Colonel Qadaffi's invention combined with placing a U.S./Israeli friendly government in Syria, the Israeli's would be able to sell purified water to the Arabs at cost and would have all they needed as well without shipping it from Iraq.

The Turkish government is putting up a front before the people that they will not deal with Israel due to the murdering of people on the Turkish flotella of which Israel will not apologize, as though that would solve anything. In the meantime the Turkish government is planning "to allow NATO ships to unload missiles at Turkish Black Sea and Eastern Mediterranean ports, as part of the effort to deploy the US-engineered “missile-shield” system," for the protection of Israel, no doubt. Please also read about this:

Anti-NATO rally held in Turkey

www.whatreallyhappened.com

Whilst the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad comfortably befriends King Abdullah ibn Abdul Aziz ibn Abdulrahman Aziz, the Pentagon leaks out through Wikileaks a chapter on how the Saudi Government wishes the U.S. to attack Iran. This could not be further from the truth. This was to bring tension between Iran and Saudi Arabia and the good relations between the two peoples and leaderships. Saudi Arabia has over three hundred bombers all pointed at Israel and not Iran. They do not like unrest on their borders but this goes even further than that.

There is a dissident in Great Britain who wishes for the overturn of the Saudi Monarchy. He vies for democracy but is a hypocrite in the closest sense of the word. He allows no women in his close circle. The men have the only voice and unless this is changed that is who stirs up discontent brought about by not only the wrong division of wealth, but through the religious bigot of the true anarchists against the people. Like so many "holy books" men have rewritten it.

Unfortunately, the Iranian Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamene believed what Wikileaks put out through an artificial leak from the Pentegon, and decided in his own right to bring about his kind of Islamic nation through the overthrow of the Arab governments bringing the Sunni and Shiite into one camp which would realise the Prophet Ali (the Prophet of the Shiites) as the Prophet of all. Julian Assange, however, did not know this and his work in all this is above reproach.

A true Islamic nation is not based upon religion and religious bondage but upon universal truth for all men, women and children.

In Egypt the Ayatollah hoped that the uprising would place the Muslim Brotherhood in power since President Mubarak gave them quite a few seats finally in parliament.

In eastern Saudi Arabia, the Saudi government is trying to stop the Shiite movement and their combined movement with the Shiite in Bahrain. The same is true in Yemen. The Saudi do not want the Yemeni Shiite over the border.

President Ali Abdullah Salah of Yemen along with the help of the Saudis cleared Aden of all the landmines in hope of bringing about an agricultural land whereby they would springboard an agricultural plan whereas people might eat, for they were selling their daughters to rich Saudi's for money. President Salah did not want the U.S. nor the British on Yemeni land, but wanted to explore his resources for he now had a plan. Israel wanted in on that plan and President Salah told them "NO" because the Israeli wished to use that agricultural land which they killed the Palestinians for.You see, President Salah invited the besieged Palestinians to join in the agricultural project and Israel was infuriated, took more land, cut down olive trees, killed farmers and fishermen and on it went. I could expound but perhaps another time.

Just as happened in Iran some time ago, foreign forces dressed as Arab's, Shiite or Sunni (Not all Arabs are Muslim) go into a crowd and begin shooting the protesters in order to blame the ruling government. This is not the case in Bahrain, however, and that is an atrocity second to none in it's own right. But the infiltration is happening in Syria, Yemen, Lybia, and other nations.

In short, most of what is happening in places such as Syria, Yemen, Lybia, are results of foreign intervention and occupation. In Pakistan 10,000 Blackwater agents were brought. They were placed around the Middle East and Africa to forment chaos and distrust of those Leaders who refused to work for the 1% and instead work for their people. They understand the Shiite and work closely with them. And so in short, this is what happened but is most likely not known by many.

The Arab spring, as they like to call it in the west is authentic. They will continue to fight and they will eventually win. But I thought it should be known what other players are in the game, so to speak, and try and bring to light that knowledge which still remains in the dark.

It is important, however, for the American people, and those of other nations to keep focused upon their own Revolution. I have revised this since first putting it on.

I feel the bold print is easier to read. I trust I have been of some help.

You are most welcome. Here is another very informative site www.rense.com. A little bit to a lot about everything. It is important we speak about everything and listen to everything each of us has to say in order to get a clearer overall picture. Knowledge is power. And power based upon principle and courage which is what the people have, world wide, combined with understanding and knowhow: that is the way out of their dilemma.

Breaking: 30 Citibank customers arrested for closing their account

Was just watching Global Revolution live stream where they were live at a Citibank in LaGuardia watching the police holding 30 customers in a Citibank branch where they were in line to close their bank accounts. There was a large group of protesters outside chanting various rejoinders to the bank officals and the police, who seemed to be their in force. The livestream chat is still buzzing about the arrests and you can see various Citibank numbers passing by to call in protest, especially the Citibank customer relations number.

www.whatreallyhappened.com

When the people have control of the money through Quantitative easing then the money will be issued for the benefit of the people BY THE PEOPLE! If you, the people take your country back, YOU, YOURSELVES, CAN PUT THIS IN PLACE - UNTIL THE GOOD SYSTEM IS SET UP! YOU DO NOT NEED PRESIDENTIAL DECREE (WHICH WOULD NEVER COME FROM ANY U.S. PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WORK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BUT WORK INSTEAD FOR THE 1%) ONCE YOU TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY!

REMEMBER, YOU DO NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. IT JUST DOES NOT EXIST, THEREFORE ANY CURRENT PRESIDENTIAL MANDATE "AGAINST THE PEOPLE" HOLDS NO POSSIBILITY OF RECOVERY AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE CONTINUE UP THE ROAD WITH THE FIVE STEPS.

YOU WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO FUND YOUR HOSPITALS, WIPE OUT NATIONAL DEBT WITH THIS SOLUTION! WHAT THE BANKS DO IN THE NEGATIVE, YOU, THE PEOPLE CAN DO IN THE POSITIVE THROUGH YOUR SHADOW GOVERNMENT! - Cygnus1