What a sound clip. Republicans are beyond having shame, lie lie lie, and if that fails lie some more. I can't believe that a Republican would actually say he's for universal single payer health care (let alone believe he means it). It just shows them for what they are.
I've only heard the first set over the radio, thought the Two Souls in Communion Chris sang was pretty good, actually. But overall glad Phil is still rockin' @ 70.
From today's Democracy Now! Dennis Kucinich explains:
AMY GOODMAN: Congress member Dennis Kucinich joins us now in Washington, DC.
Well, Congress member Kucinich, you did not get what you were asking for, yet you are now supporting this bill. Explain what happened and why you think this bill merits your support.
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, first of all, I appreciate that you covered that part where I said that I don’t retract anything that I said before. I had taken the effort to put a public option into the bill and also to create an opportunity for states to have their right protected to pursue single payer. I took it all the way down to the line with the President, the Speaker of the House, Democratic leaders. And it became clear to me that, despite my best efforts, I wasn’t going to be able to get it in the bill and that I was going to inevitably be looking at a bill that—where I was a decisive vote and that I was basically, by virtue of circumstances, being put in a position where I could either kill the bill or let it go forward and—in the hopes that we could build something from the ruins of this bill.
I think that—you know, I mean, I can just tell you, it was a very tough decision. But I believe that now we need to look to support the efforts at the state level for single payer, to really jump over this debate and not have all those who want to see transformative change in healthcare be blamed for this bill going down. I think that really it’s a dangerous moment. You know, the Clinton healthcare reforms, which I thought were very weak, it’s been sixteen years since we’ve had a discussion about healthcare reform because of the experience of the political maelstrom that hit Washington. And I saw—I came to the conclusion, Amy, that it was going to—it would be impossible to start a serious healthcare discussion in Washington if this bill goes down, despite the fact that I don’t like it at all. And every criticism I made still stands.
I want to see this as a step. It’s not the step that I wanted to take, but a step so that after it passes, we can continue the discussion about comprehensive healthcare reform, about what needs to be done at the state level, because that’s really where we’re going to have to, I think, have a breakthrough in single payer, about diet, nutrition, comprehensive alternative medicine. There’s many things that we can do. But if the bill goes down and we get blamed for it, I think there’ll be hell to pay, and in the end, it’ll just be used as an excuse as to why Washington couldn’t get to anything in healthcare in the near future.
TEXAS SCHOOL BOOKS:
An atheists perspective.. I have not been watching the story closely, because it is the same old, same old thing.. Well, this time they made more progress than usual; removing the Father of the Constitution, and replacing him in their fundy oriented text books with a religious right icon (I think it was Calvin).. I see this as "lying" to children to try and force their ppolitical agenda.. How can this be seen any other way when they remove the Father of the Constitution, and put one of their guys in the story as the hero..
Some say Christians are not supposed to lie, but I do believe the Christian on at the begining of the hour was lying when he said he supports science.. Because its too obvious there is a start difference between science and religion (which thom laid ouit perfectly clear.. thank you)..
This is all the same issue as school prayer (vouchers, revisionist textbooks, prayers at school football games, etc).. The religious right loves a captive audience of young impressionable children.. The RR seeks to have access to "other" peoples children to try and convert them, and people should be screaming bloody murder at this.. Even if you are a Christain, do you want these fundys pouring their idea of political religion stuff into their impressionable minds?
Thom,
Your report is incomplete, misleading, and, therefore, a lie. Here's what he actually said: "Leave your church" if it "starts to preach social and economic justice, especially through the structure of a giant government." He said "Social justice and economic justice are code words." He was "referring to Jeremiah right's type church, a Black Liberation Theology or Marxism or church that's turned into a political arm." He agreed with the idea "that Christians should not merely give to the poor but also work to correct unjust conditions that keep people poor." He said this is what Jesus taught. And he said "Go find another parish", not another church, and "Go alert your bishop."
You can read his complete remarks at http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/37852/ I marvel at the ability liberals have to be consistently wrong.
Not only should we support the changes being made in the conservative rewrite of history, but liberals should pay for their new textbooks. I'll explain.
Not only should we support the changes the conservative rewrite of history, but liberals should pay for their new textbooks. I'll explain.
Since the southern conservative states want to create their own theocratic-free market reality, we should support them by all means necessary. It's clear to me, that they are well on their way to establishing a new sovereignty. All they need is a unique history. And liberals should assist. We can even recommend--or submit--a block of chapters devoted to their founding fathers and portray Governor Perry as their John Adams.
Thom,
You keep saying “Cesar Chavez,” but I think you mean “Hugo.” And he’s more “socialist” and “populist” than “terrorist.” He’s using Venezuela’s oil revenues to help the people.
And he is doing a lot to hurt the “people” in Venezuela. If he is not careful he will end up with another mess like Zimbabwe…
You do want a country like Zimbabwe, right Thom???
That Ralph Nader is just a useful idiot as he scapegoats “the oil industry” for not having solar power up. Well, we recently witnessed that solar panels were blocked in the Mojave desert and it was not “big oil” that stopped it. When it comes down to it, it is environmentalists that block most projects that I have seen.
" Thom,
You keep saying “Cesar Chavez,” but I think you mean “Hugo.” And he’s more “socialist” and “populist” than “terrorist.” He’s using Venezuela’s oil revenues to help the people."
And he is doing a lot to hurt the “people” in Venezuela. If he is not careful he will end up with another mess like Zimbabwe…
Hey Thom, your NLP is quite blatant here as you somehow felt it important to add the adjective of "Mormon". Well I suggest that if you want to add adjectives to people's names then add "BLT believer" to Obama as in a counter argument: Barack Obama's Black Liberation Theology
As far as "Faux news", you certainly are one to throw rocks, right Thom?
I think the whole argument that it's either Evolution or creation is a myth in itself. It's like the two party system that we are all victims to. One side or the other. The idea of those who call themselves creationists that people used to hang out with the same dinosaurs people are digging up and that the world is only a few thousand years old, is in fact absurd and it seems to come from this inability to self reflect on the idea that any and every Bible is the literal word of God, verbatim.
Hard to argue with anyone who is fixed on that point of view. But to say that scientists have figured it all out is also a fallacy that keeps fanning the flames of the Christian bible thumpers. Every decade or so, the scientific outlook changes in significant ways.
In short, I can imagine a God who created the universe and built in a handy survival mechanism called evolution. In fact it's not just a survival mechanism, but the whole point of creation may be to evolve from the most inert form into the most conscious and advanced form to eventually awaken to God consciousness and unification with God and therefore all creation. This process could take millions of years for each soul, and there's no reason to think that Earth is the only and first planet. Now I'm not saying anyone needs to believe what I believe, but I think people should consider that there is some middle ground and that people who belive in God have to make room for science because it's has a lot to do with how we relate and interact with the world. Just as science needs to make room for God unless they can prove there is no such unifying entity. I would even say that modern physics is closer to doing just that, because they can't explain what they are observing without admitting there are forces out there that we do not yet understand that bind us all together.
To answer the question, I do think a parent or teacher is severely limiting the scope of a child by totally omitting any education of evolution. I actually had a teacher in 6th grade who'd yell out "I don't believe in that." as she was teaching us a bit about evolution. It used to really tick me off and I'd get into it with her.
Creationism that we've been discussing is man made and not supported by actual science so it should be in church and mentioned in comparative religion classes, but not presented as if half of all people believe it. I think it's very important to teach how the modern bible came about and the council of Nicea. Christianity can be a great religion without the Earth existing for some ludicrous set period of time. It's just not important to live the life of service and sacrifice that Jesus tried to teach.
What a sound clip. Republicans are beyond having shame, lie lie lie, and if that fails lie some more. I can't believe that a Republican would actually say he's for universal single payer health care (let alone believe he means it). It just shows them for what they are.
“FACTS HAVE A LIBERAL BIAS.”
Now that is some damn funny shit.
Carry on…
textynn,
What do you mean "Moveon.org folded?" It's online right now:
http://www.moveon.org/
I've only heard the first set over the radio, thought the Two Souls in Communion Chris sang was pretty good, actually. But overall glad Phil is still rockin' @ 70.
Thanks for that link.
Yeah - in fact, I've downloaded an audience recording of it -
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=533496
Lotta tunes sung by Chris Robinson - unfortunately, I was never much of a Black Crows fan ... Chris does NOTHING for me. :(
I HAVE been following this new band Phil & Bob formed with the guitar player from DSO, Furthur. A VERY interesting outfit, indeed. :)
@mstaggerlee,
Did you hear anything about Phil's 70th birthday bash?
This often seems to be the case ... no Thom, no daily blog. :(
From today's Democracy Now! Dennis Kucinich explains:
AMY GOODMAN: Congress member Dennis Kucinich joins us now in Washington, DC.
Well, Congress member Kucinich, you did not get what you were asking for, yet you are now supporting this bill. Explain what happened and why you think this bill merits your support.
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, first of all, I appreciate that you covered that part where I said that I don’t retract anything that I said before. I had taken the effort to put a public option into the bill and also to create an opportunity for states to have their right protected to pursue single payer. I took it all the way down to the line with the President, the Speaker of the House, Democratic leaders. And it became clear to me that, despite my best efforts, I wasn’t going to be able to get it in the bill and that I was going to inevitably be looking at a bill that—where I was a decisive vote and that I was basically, by virtue of circumstances, being put in a position where I could either kill the bill or let it go forward and—in the hopes that we could build something from the ruins of this bill.
I think that—you know, I mean, I can just tell you, it was a very tough decision. But I believe that now we need to look to support the efforts at the state level for single payer, to really jump over this debate and not have all those who want to see transformative change in healthcare be blamed for this bill going down. I think that really it’s a dangerous moment. You know, the Clinton healthcare reforms, which I thought were very weak, it’s been sixteen years since we’ve had a discussion about healthcare reform because of the experience of the political maelstrom that hit Washington. And I saw—I came to the conclusion, Amy, that it was going to—it would be impossible to start a serious healthcare discussion in Washington if this bill goes down, despite the fact that I don’t like it at all. And every criticism I made still stands.
I want to see this as a step. It’s not the step that I wanted to take, but a step so that after it passes, we can continue the discussion about comprehensive healthcare reform, about what needs to be done at the state level, because that’s really where we’re going to have to, I think, have a breakthrough in single payer, about diet, nutrition, comprehensive alternative medicine. There’s many things that we can do. But if the bill goes down and we get blamed for it, I think there’ll be hell to pay, and in the end, it’ll just be used as an excuse as to why Washington couldn’t get to anything in healthcare in the near future.
more at: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/18/dennis_kucinich_and_ralph_nader_a
Michael Moore on the Current Health Ins. Legislation
Video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/ns/msnbc_tv-the_dylan_ratigan_show#...
Thursday blog?
what thu....!?! who left the light on? Jeezzz
TEXAS SCHOOL BOOKS:
An atheists perspective.. I have not been watching the story closely, because it is the same old, same old thing.. Well, this time they made more progress than usual; removing the Father of the Constitution, and replacing him in their fundy oriented text books with a religious right icon (I think it was Calvin).. I see this as "lying" to children to try and force their ppolitical agenda.. How can this be seen any other way when they remove the Father of the Constitution, and put one of their guys in the story as the hero..
Some say Christians are not supposed to lie, but I do believe the Christian on at the begining of the hour was lying when he said he supports science.. Because its too obvious there is a start difference between science and religion (which thom laid ouit perfectly clear.. thank you)..
This is all the same issue as school prayer (vouchers, revisionist textbooks, prayers at school football games, etc).. The religious right loves a captive audience of young impressionable children.. The RR seeks to have access to "other" peoples children to try and convert them, and people should be screaming bloody murder at this.. Even if you are a Christain, do you want these fundys pouring their idea of political religion stuff into their impressionable minds?
bobbler
Well, as usual, nobody stayed to clean-up. Guess I'll have to do it again.
Thom,
Your report is incomplete, misleading, and, therefore, a lie. Here's what he actually said: "Leave your church" if it "starts to preach social and economic justice, especially through the structure of a giant government." He said "Social justice and economic justice are code words." He was "referring to Jeremiah right's type church, a Black Liberation Theology or Marxism or church that's turned into a political arm." He agreed with the idea "that Christians should not merely give to the poor but also work to correct unjust conditions that keep people poor." He said this is what Jesus taught. And he said "Go find another parish", not another church, and "Go alert your bishop."
You can read his complete remarks at http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/37852/ I marvel at the ability liberals have to be consistently wrong.
That first sentence should read:
Not only should we support the changes being made in the conservative rewrite of history, but liberals should pay for their new textbooks. I'll explain.
sorry
Not only should we support the changes the conservative rewrite of history, but liberals should pay for their new textbooks. I'll explain.
Since the southern conservative states want to create their own theocratic-free market reality, we should support them by all means necessary. It's clear to me, that they are well on their way to establishing a new sovereignty. All they need is a unique history. And liberals should assist. We can even recommend--or submit--a block of chapters devoted to their founding fathers and portray Governor Perry as their John Adams.
Thom,
You keep saying “Cesar Chavez,” but I think you mean “Hugo.” And he’s more “socialist” and “populist” than “terrorist.” He’s using Venezuela’s oil revenues to help the people.
And he is doing a lot to hurt the “people” in Venezuela. If he is not careful he will end up with another mess like Zimbabwe…
You do want a country like Zimbabwe, right Thom???
That Ralph Nader is just a useful idiot as he scapegoats “the oil industry” for not having solar power up. Well, we recently witnessed that solar panels were blocked in the Mojave desert and it was not “big oil” that stopped it. When it comes down to it, it is environmentalists that block most projects that I have seen.
Why do you think that is???
Oh, can’t take criticisms, I see…
Sorry,
Quote: The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun. — Ralph Nader Great quote there Thom.
Must explain the reasons why no solar in the Mojave Desert and the Kennedy’s are patsies for the “big oil”. Do they not own the wind also???
You sound like your useful idiots more each day…
Quote: The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun. — Ralph Nader Great quote there Thom.
Must explain the reasons why no solar in the Mojave Desert and the Kennedy’s are patsies for the “big oil”. Do they not own the wind also???
You sound like your useful idiots more each day…
" Thom,
You keep saying “Cesar Chavez,” but I think you mean “Hugo.” And he’s more “socialist” and “populist” than “terrorist.” He’s using Venezuela’s oil revenues to help the people."
And he is doing a lot to hurt the “people” in Venezuela. If he is not careful he will end up with another mess like Zimbabwe…
Hey Thom, your NLP is quite blatant here as you somehow felt it important to add the adjective of "Mormon". Well I suggest that if you want to add adjectives to people's names then add "BLT believer" to Obama as in a counter argument: Barack Obama's Black Liberation Theology
As far as "Faux news", you certainly are one to throw rocks, right Thom?
@Nels - On that subject, we're planning an End-of-the-World Party for 12/20/2012. Do you plan to be in NY around then? :D
I think the whole argument that it's either Evolution or creation is a myth in itself. It's like the two party system that we are all victims to. One side or the other. The idea of those who call themselves creationists that people used to hang out with the same dinosaurs people are digging up and that the world is only a few thousand years old, is in fact absurd and it seems to come from this inability to self reflect on the idea that any and every Bible is the literal word of God, verbatim.
Hard to argue with anyone who is fixed on that point of view. But to say that scientists have figured it all out is also a fallacy that keeps fanning the flames of the Christian bible thumpers. Every decade or so, the scientific outlook changes in significant ways.
In short, I can imagine a God who created the universe and built in a handy survival mechanism called evolution. In fact it's not just a survival mechanism, but the whole point of creation may be to evolve from the most inert form into the most conscious and advanced form to eventually awaken to God consciousness and unification with God and therefore all creation. This process could take millions of years for each soul, and there's no reason to think that Earth is the only and first planet. Now I'm not saying anyone needs to believe what I believe, but I think people should consider that there is some middle ground and that people who belive in God have to make room for science because it's has a lot to do with how we relate and interact with the world. Just as science needs to make room for God unless they can prove there is no such unifying entity. I would even say that modern physics is closer to doing just that, because they can't explain what they are observing without admitting there are forces out there that we do not yet understand that bind us all together.
To answer the question, I do think a parent or teacher is severely limiting the scope of a child by totally omitting any education of evolution. I actually had a teacher in 6th grade who'd yell out "I don't believe in that." as she was teaching us a bit about evolution. It used to really tick me off and I'd get into it with her.
Creationism that we've been discussing is man made and not supported by actual science so it should be in church and mentioned in comparative religion classes, but not presented as if half of all people believe it. I think it's very important to teach how the modern bible came about and the council of Nicea. Christianity can be a great religion without the Earth existing for some ludicrous set period of time. It's just not important to live the life of service and sacrifice that Jesus tried to teach.
@mstaggerlee, I think he's supposed to be opening his eyes again in 2012.